Windows XP Pro SP3 Intel Core 2 2.4 2 G RAM Cubase Studio 4, latest rev 4.5? Echo Audio Fire vers 4.8 Got this running at 11.6 msec latency, it's the best I can comfortably do - 10.2 makes things a little unstable around the edges. My main problem now is with th NI Komplete suite - Battery, Kontakt, FM8, Absynth, Massive. They seem to feel "mushy" - i.e., with even a bit more latency from MDI note-on than other VSTis, including a standalone installation of Reaktor. They record and render OK from a MIDI track, but I am over-compensating for the "mushiness" in playing and it is showing up in the MIDI recordings. Am I making any sense?
XODDI a écrit : > Windows XP Pro SP3 > Intel Core 2 2.4 > 2 G RAM > Cubase Studio 4, latest rev 4.5? > Echo Audio Fire vers 4.8 > > Got this running at 11.6 msec latency, it's the best I can comfortably > do - 10.2 makes things a little unstable around the edges. - The latency you can set depends on the quality of your audio card and the quality of its driver. The latency you will be actually able to use (eg without cracks and pops and shcrounch) depends on the power of your PC, its ability to give all of its power to the background tasks without being interrupted (here lies the importance of the many audio tweaks for XP you can find on the net), and again, the quality of the driver of your audio card. When RME upgraded their driver vrom 2.9 to 3 for the hammerfall series, many users gained something like 30% speed, latency-wise. I mean that with the same hardware, they were able to lower their latency and still play scrounchless tune. - > > My main problem now is with th NI Komplete suite - Battery, Kontakt, > FM8, Absynth, Massive. > > They seem to feel "mushy" - i.e., with even a bit more latency from MDI > note-on than other VSTis, including a standalone installation of > Reaktor. They record and render OK from a MIDI track, but I am > over-compensating for the "mushiness" in playing and it is showing up in > the MIDI recordings. > > Am I making any sense? - No, it's not Actually, 2 things are not making sense: The latency you are currently achieving is what I had with my old AThlon 2000+ (one core @ 1.7 GHz ! ). With a core2 quad Q9550, I can start working with a 1.5ms latency. I finish many projects, with effects, midi, VSTi, streaming, etc... @ 6ms latency. I even can make a simple vocal recording with 0.75 (<1ms) latency. So a 11 ms latency is a bit disappointing for you hardware. Again: I don't know about your audio card or its drivers. And from what I know, above 10ms, I start to feel the mushiness,as you call it. The 2nd thing that doesn't make sense to me is that you would have different latency "feeling" with different VSTi. My diagnostic would be that you are not using the correct driver. Many card have an "ASIO multimedia" driver wich is not the one you want to use. You want to use the other drivers featuring "ASIO" in its name. Huey PS: if you don't find the audio tweaks for XP, and if you do need them, just ask. Someone might be able to post them here.
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:46:47 +0100, Hueyduck <> wrote: >PS: if you don't find the audio tweaks for XP, and if you do need them, >just ask. Someone might be able to post them here. > ......to what kind of audio tweaks are you referring?
Max Doorrijhoogte a écrit : > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:46:47 +0100, Hueyduck <> > wrote: > > >> PS: if you don't find the audio tweaks for XP, and if you do need them, >> just ask. Someone might be able to post them here. >> > .....to what kind of audio tweaks are you referring? This one, for instance: ****************************** Processor scheduling should be set to background services and not Programs. Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance Settings > Advanced Tab > Background Services ******************************* Here's the list I apply when I prepare a new PC (taken in 2003 from a site called musicxp, or something). ============================= For consistency, before carrying out the tuning tips suggested below, switch to classic view in the control panel. To do this, Start > Control Panel > "Switch to Classic View". Then, switch to classic view for the menu. To do this, Start > Control Panel > Taskbar and Start Menu > Start Menu Tab > Classic Start Menu. If you require further information on a particular tip, click on the associated 1. Processor scheduling should be set to background services and not Programs. Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance Settings > Advanced Tab > Background Services 2. Visual effects should be set to a minimum. Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance Settings > Visual Effects Tab > Adjust for best performance 3. Switch Off Desktop Background Image Right Click Desktop > Properties > Desktop Tab > Background None 4. Disable Screen Saver Right Click Desktop > Properties > Screen Saver > None 5. Disable Fast User Switching Start > Settings > Control Panel > User Accounts > Change the way users log on or off > Untick Use Fast User Switching 6. Switch Off Power Schemes Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Options > Always On > Turn off monitor and turn off hard discs to Never http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.htm (1 of 4) [26/10/2003 16:32:45] Tuning Tips 7. Switch Off Hibernation Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Options > Hibernate > Untick Hibernation 8. Activate DMA on Hard Discs/CD ROMS Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager > IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers > Right Click Primary IDE channel and Secondary IDE channel > Properties > Advanced Settings Tab > Transfer Mode to "DMA if available" for both devices. 9. Disable System Sounds Start > Settings > Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices > Sounds Tab > Sound Scheme to None. 10. Do Not Map Through Soundcard Start > Settings > Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices > Hardware Tab > (highlight your soundcard from the list) > Properties > Audio Devices > (highlight your soundcard from the list) > Properties, and check the "Do not map through this device" checkbox. 11. Disable System Restore Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > System Restore Tab. Tick the "Turn off System Restore on all Drives" 12. Disable Automatic Updates Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Automatic Updates > Turn off automatic updating. I want to update my computer manually 13. Startup and Recovery Options Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Advanced > Startup and Recovery Settings > Untick Automatically Restart 14. Disable Error Reporting Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Advanced > Error Reporting > Disable Error Reporting 15. Disable Remote Assistance Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Remote > Untick Allow remote assistance invitations to be sent from this computer http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.htm (2 of 4) [26/10/2003 16:32:45] Tuning Tips 16. Fix Swap File (Virtual Memory) Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance Settings > Advanced > Virtual Memory Change > Custom Size. Set initial and maximum size to the same value. 17. Speed Up Menus Start > Run > Regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Control Panel > Desktop Folder. Set MenuShowDelay to 1 18. Disable Offline Files Start > Settings > Control Panel > Folder Options > Offline Files Untick "Enable Offline Files" 19. Disable Remote Desktop Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Remote > Untick "Allow users to connect remotely to this computer" 20. Disable Internet Synchronise Time Start > Settings > Control Panel > Date and Time > Internet Time > Untick "Automatically synchronize with internet time server" 21. Disable Hide Inactive Icons Start > Settings > Taskbar and Start Menu > Taskbar TAB > Uncheck "Hide Inactive Icons" 22. Disable Automatic Desktop Cleanup Wizard Start > Settings > Control Panel > Display > Desktop > Customise Desktop > Untick "Run Desktop Cleanup Wizard every 60 days" 23. Disable NTFS Last Access Time Logging (NTFS File Systems Only) Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > System > CurrentControlSet > Control > Filesystem. Add a new DWORD value - "NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate" and set value to 1. http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.htm (3 of 4) [26/10/2003 16:32:45] Tuning Tips 24. Disable Notification Area Balloon Tips Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software > Microsoft > Windows > CurrentVersion > Explorer > Advanced. Create a new DWORD value called EnableBalloonTips and set to 0. 25. Disable CDROM Autoplay Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > System > CurrentControlSet > Services > Cdrom. Set autorun to 0. 26. Disable Disc Indexing Service Right Click Start > Explorer > Right Click Each Disc > Properties > Untick "Allow Indexing Service to index this disc for fast file searching" http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.htm (4 of 4) [26/10/2003 16:32:45]Tuning Tips Tuning Tips For consistency, before carrying out the tuning tips suggested below, switch to classic view in the control panel. To do this, Start > Control Panel > "Switch to Classic View". Then, switch to classic view for the menu. To do this, Start > Control Panel > Taskbar and Start Menu > Start Menu Tab > Classic Start Menu. If you require further information on a particular tip, click on the associated 1. Processor scheduling should be set to background services and not Programs. Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance Settings > Advanced Tab > Background Services 2. Visual effects should be set to a minimum. Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance Settings > Visual Effects Tab > Adjust for best performance 3. Switch Off Desktop Background Image Right Click Desktop > Properties > Desktop Tab > Background None 4. Disable Screen Saver Right Click Desktop > Properties > Screen Saver > None 5. Disable Fast User Switching Start > Settings > Control Panel > User Accounts > Change the way users log on or off > Untick Use Fast User Switching 6. Switch Off Power Schemes Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Options > Always On > Turn off monitor and turn off hard discs to Never http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.htm (1 of 4) [26/10/2003 16:32:45] Tuning Tips 7. Switch Off Hibernation Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Options > Hibernate > Untick Hibernation 8. Activate DMA on Hard Discs/CD ROMS Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager > IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers > Right Click Primary IDE channel and Secondary IDE channel > Properties > Advanced Settings Tab > Transfer Mode to "DMA if available" for both devices. 9. Disable System Sounds Start > Settings > Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices > Sounds Tab > Sound Scheme to None. 10. Do Not Map Through Soundcard Start > Settings > Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices > Hardware Tab > (highlight your soundcard from the list) > Properties > Audio Devices > (highlight your soundcard from the list) > Properties, and check the "Do not map through this device" checkbox. 11. Disable System Restore Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > System Restore Tab. Tick the "Turn off System Restore on all Drives" 12. Disable Automatic Updates Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Automatic Updates > Turn off automatic updating. I want to update my computer manually 13. Startup and Recovery Options Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Advanced > Startup and Recovery Settings > Untick Automatically Restart 14. Disable Error Reporting Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Advanced > Error Reporting > Disable Error Reporting 15. Disable Remote Assistance Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Remote > Untick Allow remote assistance invitations to be sent from this computer http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.htm (2 of 4) [26/10/2003 16:32:45] Tuning Tips 16. Fix Swap File (Virtual Memory) Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance Settings > Advanced > Virtual Memory Change > Custom Size. Set initial and maximum size to the same value. 17. Speed Up Menus Start > Run > Regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Control Panel > Desktop Folder. Set MenuShowDelay to 1 18. Disable Offline Files Start > Settings > Control Panel > Folder Options > Offline Files Untick "Enable Offline Files" 19. Disable Remote Desktop Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Remote > Untick "Allow users to connect remotely to this computer" 20. Disable Internet Synchronise Time Start > Settings > Control Panel > Date and Time > Internet Time > Untick "Automatically synchronize with internet time server" 21. Disable Hide Inactive Icons Start > Settings > Taskbar and Start Menu > Taskbar TAB > Uncheck "Hide Inactive Icons" 22. Disable Automatic Desktop Cleanup Wizard Start > Settings > Control Panel > Display > Desktop > Customise Desktop > Untick "Run Desktop Cleanup Wizard every 60 days" 23. Disable NTFS Last Access Time Logging (NTFS File Systems Only) Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > System > CurrentControlSet > Control > Filesystem. Add a new DWORD value - "NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate" and set value to 1. http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.htm (3 of 4) [26/10/2003 16:32:45] Tuning Tips 24. Disable Notification Area Balloon Tips Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software > Microsoft > Windows > CurrentVersion > Explorer > Advanced. Create a new DWORD value called EnableBalloonTips and set to 0. 25. Disable CDROM Autoplay Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > System > CurrentControlSet > Services > Cdrom. Set autorun to 0. 26. Disable Disc Indexing Service Right Click Start > Explorer > Right Click Each Disc > Properties > Untick "Allow Indexing Service to index this disc for fast file searching" ================================================
"Hueyduck" <> wrote in message news:4b99397c$0$21858$... > XODDI a écrit : >> Windows XP Pro SP3 >> Intel Core 2 2.4 >> 2 G RAM >> Cubase Studio 4, latest rev 4.5? >> Echo Audio Fire vers 4.8 >> >> Got this running at 11.6 msec latency, it's the best I can comfortably >> do - 10.2 makes things a little unstable around the edges. > - > > The latency you can set depends on the quality of your audio card and the > quality of its driver. > > The latency you will be actually able to use (eg without cracks and pops > and shcrounch) depends on the power of your PC, its ability to give all of > its power to the background tasks without being interrupted (here lies the > importance of the many audio tweaks for XP you can find on the net), and > again, the quality of the driver of your audio card. > When RME upgraded their driver vrom 2.9 to 3 for the hammerfall series, > many users gained something like 30% speed, latency-wise. I mean that with > the same hardware, they were able to lower their latency and still play > scrounchless tune. > - > >> >> My main problem now is with th NI Komplete suite - Battery, Kontakt, FM8, >> Absynth, Massive. >> >> They seem to feel "mushy" - i.e., with even a bit more latency from MDI >> note-on than other VSTis, including a standalone installation of Reaktor. >> They record and render OK from a MIDI track, but I am over-compensating >> for the "mushiness" in playing and it is showing up in the MIDI >> recordings. >> >> Am I making any sense? > > - > No, it's not > Actually, 2 things are not making sense: > > The latency you are currently achieving is what I had with my old AThlon > 2000+ (one core @ 1.7 GHz ! ). > With a core2 quad Q9550, I can start working with a 1.5ms latency. I > finish many projects, with effects, midi, VSTi, streaming, etc... @ 6ms > latency. > I even can make a simple vocal recording with 0.75 (<1ms) latency. > > So a 11 ms latency is a bit disappointing for you hardware. Again: I > don't know about your audio card or its drivers. > And from what I know, above 10ms, I start to feel the mushiness,as you > call it. > > The 2nd thing that doesn't make sense to me is that you would have > different latency "feeling" with different VSTi. > > My diagnostic would be that you are not using the correct driver. > Many card have an "ASIO multimedia" driver wich is not the one you want to > use. You want to use the other drivers featuring "ASIO" in its name. > > > Huey > > PS: if you don't find the audio tweaks for XP, and if you do need them, > just ask. Someone might be able to post them here. > Hurr durr - I had it configured to run SynCModular without glitches. Remove SynC and 2.9 ms is easy. I will tweak further. Bye bye SynCModular. I loved you.
