Antares or some other brand for harmonizer?

Discussion in 'alt.steinberg.cubase' started by Danny T, Aug 6, 2009.

  1. Danny T Guest

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    Are there other choices for some of that Antares software? I like the
    pitch correction in Cubase 5. I think it is really quite good.

    I thought would give that harmony stuff a try. I remember paying for
    a mic modeling way back and thinking it was the biggest waste of money
    I had ever payed out. Any thought on any of the harmonizer stuff would
    be great.
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  2. Hueyduck Guest

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    Danny T a écrit :
    > Are there other choices for some of that Antares software? I like the
    > pitch correction in Cubase 5. I think it is really quite good.
    >
    > I thought would give that harmony stuff a try. I remember paying for
    > a mic modeling way back and thinking it was the biggest waste of money
    > I had ever payed out. Any thought on any of the harmonizer stuff would
    > be great.


    I don't know about dedicated hamonizers per se, but Melodyne has a
    function that allows to make nice vocal harmonies.
    It slightly randomises the beginnings, endings and micro variations of
    the vocal line. So you just have to duplicate the original, create
    harmonies and play both lines together.
    This is the most convincing effect I heard. Very natural result. You can
    really hear a second person sing; I hjaven't tried it with more than a
    single harmony line, but it is sure useful when you want to double a
    singer that is long gone from the studio.

    Huey
  3. Cyberserf Guest

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    On Aug 6, 4:51 pm, Danny T <> wrote:
    > Are there other choices for some of that Antares software? I like the
    > pitch correction in Cubase 5. I think it is really quite good.
    >
    > I thought  would give that harmony stuff a try. I remember paying for
    > a mic modeling way back and thinking it was the biggest waste of money
    > I had ever payed out. Any thought on any of the harmonizer stuff would
    > be great.


    Like Huey I use Melodyne for pitch correction. For vocal harmonies
    that won't break the bank, I really like the Digitech Vocalist Live
    Pro...the multiple outs mean I can route the main and harmony vocals
    to their own individual tracks. Very flexible and highly
    configurable...up to 4 part harmony and because it is following the
    guitar, the harmonies do not have to be pre-programmed or do not have
    to follow a specific key. Send the guitar track into the unit and
    sing. Indeed, you can plug the guitar diretly into the unit and it
    works so well, I've made it part of my live gigs...Now I just have to
    nail about 15 more compositions on the RC50 and I can fire my band. As
    an added bonus, the main vocals can be colored by different character
    settings and the preamp is really quite nice including a few Lexicon
    verb and delays.

    Here's a link: http://www.digitech.com/products/Vocalist/VocalistLivePro.php

    Cheers, CS
  4. hproductions Guest

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    On Aug 7, 12:47 pm, Cyberserf <> wrote:
    > On Aug 6, 4:51 pm, Danny T <> wrote:
    >
    > > Are there other choices for some of that Antares software? I like the
    > > pitch correction in Cubase 5. I think it is really quite good.

    >
    > > I thought  would give that harmony stuff a try. I remember paying for
    > > a mic modeling way back and thinking it was the biggest waste of money
    > > I had ever payed out. Any thought on any of the harmonizer stuff would
    > > be great.

    >
    > Like Huey I use Melodyne for pitch correction. For vocal harmonies
    > that won't break the bank, I really like the Digitech Vocalist Live
    > Pro...the multiple outs mean I can route the main and harmony vocals
    > to their own individual tracks. Very flexible and highly
    > configurable...up to 4 part harmony and because it is following the
    > guitar, the harmonies do not have to be pre-programmed or do not have
    > to follow a specific key. Send the guitar track into the unit and
    > sing. Indeed, you can plug the guitar diretly into the unit and it
    > works so well, I've made it part of my live gigs...Now I just have to
    > nail about 15 more compositions on the RC50 and I can fire my band. As
    > an added bonus, the main vocals can be colored by different character
    > settings and the preamp is really quite nice including a few Lexicon
    > verb and delays.
    >
    > Here's a link:  http://www.digitech.com/products/Vocalist/VocalistLivePro.php
    >
    > Cheers, CS


    So what do people think of cubase's own pitch correction? The melodyne
    style correction that is - Pretty sure it's easy to create harmony's
    using this also... I've used it for time and pitch correction with
    good recults although I'm not entirely used to the interface - I found
    melodyne awesome when I trialled it but would like to keep my pitch
    and time correction within C5 for simplicities sake
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  5. Cyberserf Guest

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    On Aug 17, 7:51 am, hproductions <> wrote:
    > On Aug 7, 12:47 pm, Cyberserf <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Aug 6, 4:51 pm, Danny T <> wrote:

    >
    > > > Are there other choices for some of that Antares software? I like the
    > > > pitch correction in Cubase 5. I think it is really quite good.

    >
    > > > I thought  would give that harmony stuff a try. I remember paying for
    > > > a mic modeling way back and thinking it was the biggest waste of money
    > > > I had ever payed out. Any thought on any of the harmonizer stuff would
    > > > be great.

    >
    > > Like Huey I use Melodyne for pitch correction. For vocal harmonies
    > > that won't break the bank, I really like the Digitech Vocalist Live
    > > Pro...the multiple outs mean I can route the main and harmony vocals
    > > to their own individual tracks. Very flexible and highly
    > > configurable...up to 4 part harmony and because it is following the
    > > guitar, the harmonies do not have to be pre-programmed or do not have
    > > to follow a specific key. Send the guitar track into the unit and
    > > sing. Indeed, you can plug the guitar diretly into the unit and it
    > > works so well, I've made it part of my live gigs...Now I just have to
    > > nail about 15 more compositions on the RC50 and I can fire my band. As
    > > an added bonus, the main vocals can be colored by different character
    > > settings and the preamp is really quite nice including a few Lexicon
    > > verb and delays.

    >
    > > Here's a link:  http://www.digitech.com/products/Vocalist/VocalistLivePro.php

    >
    > > Cheers, CS

    >
    > So what do people think of cubase's own pitch correction? The melodyne
    > style correction that is - Pretty sure it's easy to create harmony's
    > using this also... I've used it for time and pitch correction with
    > good recults although I'm not entirely used to the interface - I found
    > melodyne awesome when I trialled it but would like to keep my pitch
    > and time correction within C5 for simplicities sake


    For pitch correction up to 65 cents with Melodyne is fine...anything
    more (like the 3 tones or more needed for harmonizing) and it starts
    to show off formants...this creates a very ugly sound (heard a song
    recently that was all formants (as far as I could tell) on the lead
    vox...OMG...I think Cher (If I could hold back time) took it as far as
    it's effects application could go...this was a sonic train wreck)!
    IMHO, every tool has its limits.

    HTH, CS
  6. Danny T Guest

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    On Aug 17, 7:51 am, hproductions <> wrote:
    > On Aug 7, 12:47 pm, Cyberserf <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Aug 6, 4:51 pm, Danny T <> wrote:

    >
    > > > Are there other choices for some of that Antares software? I like the
    > > > pitch correction in Cubase 5. I think it is really quite good.

    >
    > > > I thought  would give that harmony stuff a try. I remember paying for
    > > > a mic modeling way back and thinking it was the biggest waste of money
    > > > I had ever payed out. Any thought on any of the harmonizer stuff would
    > > > be great.

    >
    > > Like Huey I use Melodyne for pitch correction. For vocal harmonies
    > > that won't break the bank, I really like the Digitech Vocalist Live
    > > Pro...the multiple outs mean I can route the main and harmony vocals
    > > to their own individual tracks. Very flexible and highly
    > > configurable...up to 4 part harmony and because it is following the
    > > guitar, the harmonies do not have to be pre-programmed or do not have
    > > to follow a specific key. Send the guitar track into the unit and
    > > sing. Indeed, you can plug the guitar diretly into the unit and it
    > > works so well, I've made it part of my live gigs...Now I just have to
    > > nail about 15 more compositions on the RC50 and I can fire my band. As
    > > an added bonus, the main vocals can be colored by different character
    > > settings and the preamp is really quite nice including a few Lexicon
    > > verb and delays.

    >
    > > Here's a link:  http://www.digitech.com/products/Vocalist/VocalistLivePro.php

    >
    > > Cheers, CS

    >
    > So what do people think of cubase's own pitch correction? The melodyne
    > style correction that is - Pretty sure it's easy to create harmony's
    > using this also... I've used it for time and pitch correction with
    > good recults although I'm not entirely used to the interface - I found
    > melodyne awesome when I trialled it but would like to keep my pitch
    > and time correction within C5 for simplicities sake


    I really hate those tune things as sort of a built in personality
    trait but for the hell of it I took a scratch track and ran it through
    the auto tune deal in cubase 5. I was actually really surprised to how
    nice it sounded. It was really hard to hear it working, just heard the
    results. It was so good that I went into the edit mode and started
    playing, which again is against my nature. I know most people here are
    real computer heads but I use the stuff because I have to. ANYWAY, the
    features were really straight forward. I figured it out without
    instructions and if I can do it, anyone can. There are a few things
    like warping that I don't get and I'll someday have to break down and
    read about but tuning the nots was duck soup!
    When it was all said and done, I actually decided to keep the scratch
    track. One take, no punches and meant to be a scratch track is now
    going to be the lead vocal on a guitar/vocal CD. That is a pretty hard
    thing to get to sound right with just one guitar and one voice.

    I have to admit my mindset is completely reversed on the subject. I
    can really see the use for the tool and actually really like the way
    it sounds. Not to toot my own horn but some of what made it right was
    that the track had feel and was not that far out of tune. The tune was
    many years old and I've been singing it for all those years. I'm also
    46 and have been singing live and in studios since I was 13. This may
    not work as well or as fast for someone will less experience but it
    will do something for just about everyone.

    Man if my vocal coaches could here my now they'd likely kill me.....
    on the other hand, if I had this then they would have been out of a
    job :)
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