....Now that I have the Audigy hater's attention.... Could you tell me if I go out and buy an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 today will I still have static/distortion/noise/echo etc. when I run heavy VSTi's(Halion Strings)with SX2 on a 2.4 GHz PC with 768 MB RAM? I't looks like I will get the 2496 but is the Audigy really the static problem? Also I am thinking about getting the Ozone midi controller along with the built in Audiophile card.........anybody have anything to say about the Ozone before I blow my hard earned paycheck.......or would you rather just laugh. JJ
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:56:43 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" <> wrote: >...Now that I have the Audigy hater's attention.... Could you tell me if I >go out and buy an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 today will I still have >static/distortion/noise/echo etc. when I run heavy VSTi's(Halion >Strings)with SX2 on a 2.4 GHz PC with 768 MB RAM? Maybe. The problem could be several places in your system. Echo? > >I't looks like I will get the 2496 but is the Audigy really the static >problem? > >Also I am thinking about getting the Ozone midi controller along with the >built in Audiophile card.........anybody have anything to say about the >Ozone before I blow my hard earned paycheck.......or would you rather just >laugh. If a 2-octave keyboard matches your level of keyboard skill - i.e. you aren't really a keyboard player - and you want a compact unit, the Ozone could suit your needs. If you're something of a player (or hope to be) and if you envisage making music away form your computer at all, get the Audiophile card alone and look around for a second-hand synth with 5 octaves and some on-board sounds. CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect
"Laurence Payne" <> wrote in message news:... > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:56:43 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" > <> wrote: > > >...Now that I have the Audigy hater's attention.... Could you tell me if I > >go out and buy an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 today will I still have > >static/distortion/noise/echo etc. when I run heavy VSTi's (Halion > >Strings) with SX2 on a 2.4 GHz PC with 768 MB RAM? > > Maybe. The problem could be several places in your system. Thanks for the honest answer. I have tried to optomize my system as best I can but do you have any tips. > > Echo? Yeah it is as if the different layers of the sample randomly sound after striking a key sort of like echo (not midi echo). > > > > >Also I am thinking about getting the Ozone midi controller along with the > >built in Audiophile card.........anybody have anything to say about the > >Ozone before I blow my hard earned paycheck.......or would you rather just > >laugh. > > If a 2-octave keyboard matches your level of keyboard skill - i.e. you > aren't really a keyboard player - and you want a compact unit, the > Ozone could suit your needs. If you're something of a player (or > hope to be) and if you envisage making music away form your computer > at all, get the Audiophile card alone and look around for a > second-hand synth with 5 octaves and some on-board sounds. I do have a 88 key Yamaha p-80 digital piano (excellent instrument) but it doesn't have a modulation wheel which is needed for Halion String programs. I am not a ''real'' piano player/keyboardist but the 2 octave Ozone would be used for playing string parts (with the mod wheel) but now that you mention it 2 octaves isn't even enough for that so I will take your advise and stick to the card a la tarte. BTW I am a ''real'' saxophonist (but that, like usual, doesn't help). JJ > > CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm > "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect
Jack Jarmush wrote: > ...Now that I have the Audigy hater's attention.... Could you tell me if I > go out and buy an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 today will I still have > static/distortion/noise/echo etc. when I run heavy VSTi's(Halion > Strings)with SX2 on a 2.4 GHz PC with 768 MB RAM? > > I't looks like I will get the 2496 but is the Audigy really the static > problem? > > Also I am thinking about getting the Ozone midi controller along with the > built in Audiophile card.........anybody have anything to say about the > Ozone before I blow my hard earned paycheck.......or would you rather just > laugh. > > JJ > > funny, i am buying one of these today to replace my soundblaster audigy. i would b einterested to know how you get on with yours... i am never gonna by a creative card again....
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:56:43 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" <> wrote: >...Now that I have the Audigy hater's attention.... Could you tell me if I >go out and buy an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 today will I still have >static/distortion/noise/echo etc. when I run heavy VSTi's(Halion >Strings)with SX2 on a 2.4 GHz PC with 768 MB RAM? Did you try increasing the ASIO buffer? Ap
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:03:53 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" <> wrote: >> >go out and buy an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 today will I still have >> >static/distortion/noise/echo etc. when I run heavy VSTi's (Halion >> >Strings) with SX2 on a 2.4 GHz PC with 768 MB RAM? >> >> Maybe. The problem could be several places in your system. > >Thanks for the honest answer. I have tried to optomize my system as best I >can but do you have any tips. Describe your system, from input (mic, guitar etc.) to loudspeaker. What is connected to where? How do you set levels? Describe your procedure for recording a song. CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect
No guarantees that an Audiophile will fix your problems. With a reasonably high spec PC like yours, you should be able to get the Audigy to work well at least with a medium-high latency. If increasing the latency doesnt help, then the problem may well lie elsewhere (or it could be a physical problem with the card, although this would manifest itself outside of Cubase too....) Niall "Jack Jarmush" <> skrev i meddelandet news:cn11ob$jq$... > ...Now that I have the Audigy hater's attention.... Could you tell me if I > go out and buy an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 today will I still have > static/distortion/noise/echo etc. when I run heavy VSTi's(Halion > Strings)with SX2 on a 2.4 GHz PC with 768 MB RAM? > > I't looks like I will get the 2496 but is the Audigy really the static > problem? > > Also I am thinking about getting the Ozone midi controller along with the > built in Audiophile card.........anybody have anything to say about the > Ozone before I blow my hard earned paycheck.......or would you rather just > laugh. > > JJ > >
"Aphelion" <> wrote in message > > Did you try increasing the ASIO buffer? > > Ap I have tried adjusting the ASIO Buffer Latency on the Creative, SB Audigy and the dirsctx full duplex ASIO drivers but without any real change. If I select low disk streaming at least the crazy echo stops but the crackle is just as bad......btw the crackling is only on one stereo side, if I pan full right there is no crackling. JJ
"Laurence Payne" <> wrote in message > Describe your system, from input (mic, guitar etc.) to loudspeaker. > What is connected to where? How do you set levels? At the moment I have a friends Evolution midi controller hooked up to the midi interface to the Audigy2 card via 1 midi in cable. I use SX2 with Halion String Player and Halion String Edition programs (of course) Creative ASIO driver set to 20 ms Latency (have tried up to 500 ms without result) > > Describe your procedure for recording a song. I open up SX2, add midi track, add VSTi (HSE), load HSE program combi vln xfade xxl (one of the heaviest programs), test the program with the on screen player/keyboard and get crackles and all sorts of disturbing noise, I then try adjusting the disk streaming vs RAM options and when I set it to low disk streaming (so mostly using RAM) the echo is gone burt the crackling is still there. Then I reapeat and go is cicles until I can't take it anymore and go out and buy 512 MB more RAM. I shpild have bought two 256 MB RAM chips because that's how my motherboard likes it but I will change that today. So I have 768 MB RAM but still snap, crackle, pop!!!! aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAA!!! My com is not dedicated to music, I use it for email, surfing, and just about anything I can use it for.....do you think I need to re-format (I hope not cause I don't feel confident to do that, the last time I tried on my old com I really messed it up). Is it normal for SX2 to use + - 250 MB RAM when empty and idle? (on XP) I am gonna bump up the RAM to 1GIG and see if that helps......will report back. JJ
Only on one side?? That doesnt sound like a typical software problem. Does the Audigy have a "reverse stereo" option in the mixer? If so, does selecting it shift the problem to another speaker? Niall "Jack Jarmush" <> skrev i meddelandet news:cn2g13$pkc$... > > "Aphelion" <> wrote in message > > > > Did you try increasing the ASIO buffer? > > > > Ap > > I have tried adjusting the ASIO Buffer Latency on the Creative, SB Audigy > and the dirsctx full duplex ASIO drivers but without any real change. > > If I select low disk streaming at least the crazy echo stops but the crackle > is just as bad......btw the crackling is only on one stereo side, if I pan > full right there is no crackling. > > JJ > >
.......well I upgraded to 1 GB RAM and installed a new Audiophile 2496 and to my astonishment (not really) it didn't solve anything : -- ( Remember that old Rice Crispies commercial.....that's what my VSTi's sounds like. The guy at the shop where I bought the Audiophile was "absolutely sure'' the 2496 would solve the problem....but he would say that. Well now (?215. later) I ask myself...........Did I need the Audiophile anyway......yes(so the ?115 spent on that was inevitable). Did I need more RAM?.........probably not (so the ?100 spent on that was a waste). Maybe I'll return the DIMM.....or just change my name to it ;-) Will trade unused brain cells for advise. JJ
in the last post from me the euro sign (as in money) became a ? after posting which is quite appropriate.
Is the problem still only present in one channel? Are you using the Audiophile ASIO drivers? "Jack Jarmush" <> skrev i meddelandet news:cn324t$bqs$... > ......well I upgraded to 1 GB RAM and installed a new Audiophile 2496 and to > my astonishment (not really) it didn't solve anything : -- ( > > Remember that old Rice Crispies commercial.....that's what my VSTi's sounds > like. > > The guy at the shop where I bought the Audiophile was "absolutely sure'' the > 2496 would solve the problem....but he would say that. > > Well now (?215. later) I ask myself...........Did I need the Audiophile > anyway......yes(so the ?115 spent on that was inevitable). > Did I need more RAM?.........probably not (so the ?100 spent on that was a > waste). > > Maybe I'll return the DIMM.....or just change my name to it ;-) > > Will trade unused brain cells for advise. > > JJ > >
"Niall / Lina" <> wrote in message > Is the problem still only present in one channel? > Are you using the Audiophile ASIO drivers? The crackling sound is only on one stereo side, the crazed echo is on both. I tried changing amps and speakers, tried setting buffer to max and still crackling (like a camp fire) . I am using the Audiophile ASIO driver. the noise is I think ........well it is worse than with the Audigy. I guess that that Audiophile drivers must be better than Creative but why then all the noise? I am gettings pops now with the Audiophile, something I didn't get with the Audigy. This is driving me nuts.....I just want to work on music not all this wasting time and money on a fantasy of being able to make good string sounds from a PC. ....a personal note, about 10 years ago I bought Cubase with an Atari and an M1 synth (it was all the rage at the time). I learned to use the set up but the sounds that were available at that time sucked so I sold the thing and decided to wait until they figure out a way to use good sounds from a home system. Well they said now you can, just buy a powerful computer, Cubase SX2, Halion String Edition, more RAM, a semi-pro sound card (Audiophile) and you're off.........not. There must be a way, if not someone please tell me so I can stop wasting my time and money trying and get back to making music the old fashioned way. JJ
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:12:22 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" <> wrote: > >"Niall / Lina" <> wrote in message > >> Is the problem still only present in one channel? >> Are you using the Audiophile ASIO drivers? > >The crackling sound is only on one stereo side, the crazed echo is on both. >I tried changing amps and speakers, tried setting buffer to max and still >crackling (like a camp fire) . I am using the Audiophile ASIO driver. the >noise is I think ........well it is worse than with the Audigy. I guess that >that Audiophile drivers must be better than Creative but why then all the >noise? I am gettings pops now with the Audiophile, something I didn't get >with the Audigy. This is driving me nuts.....I just want to work on music >not all this wasting time and money on a fantasy of being able to make good >string sounds from a PC. It's a setup problem, and.....it's entirely possible to do what you want to do. This stuff is being used in studios worldwide for film scoring composition...etc. re: setup problem. I'm guessing it's a hardware conflict. If you would be kind enough to post your system specs once more (sorry, I missed the first part of this thread) maybe we would all have some fresh ideas. It may take digging into the BIOS. Also, post the IRQ portion from "System Tools/System Information". You can copy/paste the info. Ap
This stuff is being used in studios worldwide for film > scoring composition...etc. but do you know anyone doing it in there kitchen ;-) > Thanks for the encouragement. I do hear some good string samples on the TV and some movies, I can still hear that they're samples but it sounds nice anyway. You asked for my pecs : Pent 4/ 2.4 GHz Audiophile 2496 1 GB RAM Windows XP Cubase SX2 Halion String Player Halion String Edition I tried to get info from system tools but it wouldn't display anything. JJ
I have Cubase and HSE on the same partition as the OS. Do you think that could be causing crackling and bad performance from VST's.? "Aphelion" <> wrote in message news:... > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:12:22 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" > <> wrote: > > > > >"Niall / Lina" <> wrote in message > > > >> Is the problem still only present in one channel? > >> Are you using the Audiophile ASIO drivers? > > > >The crackling sound is only on one stereo side, the crazed echo is on both. > >I tried changing amps and speakers, tried setting buffer to max and still > >crackling (like a camp fire) . I am using the Audiophile ASIO driver. the > >noise is I think ........well it is worse than with the Audigy. I guess that > >that Audiophile drivers must be better than Creative but why then all the > >noise? I am gettings pops now with the Audiophile, something I didn't get > >with the Audigy. This is driving me nuts.....I just want to work on music > >not all this wasting time and money on a fantasy of being able to make good > >string sounds from a PC. > > It's a setup problem, and.....it's entirely possible to do what you > want to do. This stuff is being used in studios worldwide for film > scoring composition...etc. > > re: setup problem. > > I'm guessing it's a hardware conflict. > > If you would be kind enough to post your system specs once more > (sorry, I missed the first part of this thread) maybe we would all > have some fresh ideas. It may take digging into the BIOS. > > Also, post the IRQ portion from "System Tools/System Information". > You can copy/paste the info. > > Ap > >
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:51:33 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" <> wrote: >I have Cubase and HSE on the same partition as the OS. Do you think that >could be causing crackling and bad performance from VST's.? Just returned from a gig... to answer your question, No! I don't think that's the problem. Need to see your IRQ list. In System Tools... run System Information, go to the menu and select IRQ. Mark it, copy it, and paste it into a post. Heve you tried tuning off Hyperthreading in the BIOS? Ap > >"Aphelion" <> wrote in message >news:... >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:12:22 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" >> <> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Niall / Lina" <> wrote in message >> > >> >> Is the problem still only present in one channel? >> >> Are you using the Audiophile ASIO drivers? >> > >> >The crackling sound is only on one stereo side, the crazed echo is on >both. >> >I tried changing amps and speakers, tried setting buffer to max and still >> >crackling (like a camp fire) . I am using the Audiophile ASIO driver. the >> >noise is I think ........well it is worse than with the Audigy. I guess >that >> >that Audiophile drivers must be better than Creative but why then all the >> >noise? I am gettings pops now with the Audiophile, something I didn't get >> >with the Audigy. This is driving me nuts.....I just want to work on music >> >not all this wasting time and money on a fantasy of being able to make >good >> >string sounds from a PC. >> >> It's a setup problem, and.....it's entirely possible to do what you >> want to do. This stuff is being used in studios worldwide for film >> scoring composition...etc. >> >> re: setup problem. >> >> I'm guessing it's a hardware conflict. >> >> If you would be kind enough to post your system specs once more >> (sorry, I missed the first part of this thread) maybe we would all >> have some fresh ideas. It may take digging into the BIOS. >> >> Also, post the IRQ portion from "System Tools/System Information". >> You can copy/paste the info. >> >> Ap >> >> > >
> > >I have Cubase and HSE on the same partition as the OS. Do you think that > >could be causing crackling and bad performance from VST's.? > > > Just returned from a gig... to answer your question, No! I don't think > that's the problem. > > Need to see your IRQ list. > > In System Tools... run System Information, go to the menu and select > IRQ. Mark it, copy it, and paste it into a post. > Sorry but I can't access system tools/system information. Everything else in System tools is working just not the info. Could you give me an example of what info you need so I can get it another way. > Heve you tried tuning off Hyperthreading in the BIOS? No, don't know what Hyperthreading is but I could look into it. > > Ap > > > > >"Aphelion" <> wrote in message > >news:... > >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:12:22 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" > >> <> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"Niall / Lina" <> wrote in message > >> > > >> >> Is the problem still only present in one channel? > >> >> Are you using the Audiophile ASIO drivers? > >> > > >> >The crackling sound is only on one stereo side, the crazed echo is on > >both. > >> >I tried changing amps and speakers, tried setting buffer to max and still > >> >crackling (like a camp fire) . I am using the Audiophile ASIO driver. the > >> >noise is I think ........well it is worse than with the Audigy. I guess > >that > >> >that Audiophile drivers must be better than Creative but why then all the > >> >noise? I am gettings pops now with the Audiophile, something I didn't get > >> >with the Audigy. This is driving me nuts.....I just want to work on music > >> >not all this wasting time and money on a fantasy of being able to make > >good > >> >string sounds from a PC. > >> > >> It's a setup problem, and.....it's entirely possible to do what you > >> want to do. This stuff is being used in studios worldwide for film > >> scoring composition...etc. > >> > >> re: setup problem. > >> > >> I'm guessing it's a hardware conflict. > >> > >> If you would be kind enough to post your system specs once more > >> (sorry, I missed the first part of this thread) maybe we would all > >> have some fresh ideas. It may take digging into the BIOS. > >> > >> Also, post the IRQ portion from "System Tools/System Information". > >> You can copy/paste the info. > >> > >> Ap > >> > >> > > > > >
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:17:40 +0100, "Jack Jarmush" <> wrote: > >> >> >I have Cubase and HSE on the same partition as the OS. Do you think that >> >could be causing crackling and bad performance from VST's.? >> >> >> Just returned from a gig... to answer your question, No! I don't think >> that's the problem. >> >> Need to see your IRQ list. > > >> >> In System Tools... run System Information, go to the menu and select >> IRQ. Mark it, copy it, and paste it into a post. > >> Sorry but I can't access system tools/system information. Everything else >in System tools is working just not the info. Could you give me an example >of what info you need so I can get it another way. You mean it's there but it won't run? This is a problem in and of itself. Looks like this: IRQ 0 System timer OK IRQ 1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard OK IRQ 3 RME DIGI96/8 PST OK IRQ 4 Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller OK IRQ 5 Printer Port (LPT1) OK IRQ 6 Standard floppy disk controller OK IRQ 7 NVIDIA nForce PCI System Management OK IRQ 7 Creative SB Audigy OK IRQ 8 System CMOS/real time clock OK IRQ 9 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System OK IRQ 10 RADEON 9200 SERIES OK IRQ 11 Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller OK IRQ 11 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller OK IRQ 11 U.S. Robotics 56K Fax PCI OK IRQ 12 PS/2 Compatible Mouse OK IRQ 13 Numeric data processor OK IRQ 14 NVIDIA NForce 2(tm) SPP/IGP ATA Controller OK IRQ 15 NVIDIA NForce 2(tm) SPP/IGP ATA Controller OK Jack, I don't know how much I can help right now, I'm in the middle of a lot of work. In my opinion you most likely have a hardware/software conflict, probably with the computers BIOS operating system and Windows. It's not uncommon but does take some know how. >> Have you tried tuning off Hyperthreading in the BIOS? > >No, don't know what Hyperthreading is but I could look into it. Have you ever gone into the BIOS and made adjustments? Ap
