Hi All I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. I'll explain. For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great reputation called "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty much all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to have a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find many. Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely over priced (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was a typo at first as it retails for around £80 here. I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and very configurable and thus very tempting. They're called "PCspecialist" (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/ intel-core-i7-pc/) but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and anyone. I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the following... Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect & Return) Lifetime Tech Support All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the Red Sub "Extreme Audio Machine" (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more with it) I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec (pcspecialist) and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might as well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all heading no? I know there are a number of people on here who build their own machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull their graying hair out on my behalf. Cheers Steve
The killer robot Ardcorr <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache > ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI > 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz > 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS > Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE > Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER > 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE > 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER > INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER > WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence Not familiar with that particular mobo, but every machine I've built uses Asus mobos with Intel chipsets, Intel CPUs, and nVidia GeForce video. I've also used Corsair memory with good luck. I would suspect this machine would do well in music production. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT), Ardcorr <> wrote: > Hi All > I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. > I'll explain. > For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great > reputation called > "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty much > all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back > Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe > they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to have > a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find many. > Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely > over priced > (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was a > typo at first as it retails > for around £80 here. > I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and very > configurable and thus very tempting. > They're called "PCspecialist" (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/ > intel-core-i7-pc/) > but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, > although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and > anyone. > I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the > following... > Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache > ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI > 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz > 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS > Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE > Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER > 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE > 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER > INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER > WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence > 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect & Return) Lifetime Tech > Support > All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case > All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 > I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the > Red Sub > "Extreme Audio Machine" > (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- > Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) > Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more > with it) > I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec (pcspecialist) > and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't > have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might as > well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all heading > no? > I know there are a number of people on here who build their own > machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull > their graying hair out on my behalf. > Cheers > Steve I see Scott from ADK answered your post over on the CW forum. If he recommends a company --with an exclamation point, no less --I'd say it's probably worth checking out. After much thought & research I ended up getting a laptop from ADK (report coming soon, O. Rex!) and they have been a pleasure to deal with. You'll have to see how the prices compare, but if it's close I'd go with a company that *does* build audio PC's cos their tech support would be more familiar with your concerns. -- borus
On 7 May, 20:37, Phoenix <> wrote: > On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT), Ardcorr > > <> wrote: > > Hi All > > I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. > > I'll explain. > > For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great > > reputation called > > "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty > much > > all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back > > Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe > > they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to > have > > a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find > many. > > Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely > > over priced > > (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was > a > > typo at first as it retails > > for around £80 here. > > I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and > very > > configurable and thus very tempting. > > They're called "PCspecialist" > > (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/ > > > > > > > intel-core-i7-pc/) > > but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, > > although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and > > anyone. > > I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the > > following... > > Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache > > ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI > > 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz > > 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS > > Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE > > Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER > > 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE > > 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER > > INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER > > WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence > > 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect & Return) Lifetime Tech > > Support > > All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case > > All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 > > I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the > > Red Sub > > "Extreme Audio Machine" > > (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- > > Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) > > Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more > > with it) > > I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec > (pcspecialist) > > and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't > > have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might > as > > well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all > heading > > no? > > I know there are a number of people on here who build their own > > machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull > > their graying hair out on my behalf. > > Cheers > > Steve > > I see Scott from ADK answered your post over on the CW forum. If he > recommends a company --with an exclamation point, no less --I'd say > it's probably worth checking out. > After much thought & research I ended up getting a laptop from ADK > (report coming soon, O. Rex!) and they have been a pleasure to deal > with. You'll have to see how the prices compare, but if it's close > I'd go with a company that *does* build audio PC's cos their tech > support would be more familiar with your concerns. > > -- > Cheers rom (?) I should have mentioned the sites I'd visited as Scanuk was one of them. I just went back and reconfigured a pretty similar system although probably a little better in some ways. http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ConfigureSystem.asp?SystemID=935 price difference is about £250 which isn't quite as bad as I'd first feared. Maybe I should call them on Monday. Cheers Steve
On 07/05/2010 23:34, Ardcorr wrote: > On 7 May, 20:37, Phoenix<> wrote: >> On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT), Ardcorr >> >> <> wrote: >>> Hi All >>> I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. >>> I'll explain. >>> For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great >>> reputation called >>> "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty >> much >>> all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back >>> Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe >>> they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to >> have >>> a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find >> many. >>> Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely >>> over priced >>> (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was >> a >>> typo at first as it retails >>> for around £80 here. >>> I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and >> very >>> configurable and thus very tempting. >>> They're called "PCspecialist" >> >> (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/ >> >> >> >> >> >>> intel-core-i7-pc/) >>> but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, >>> although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and >>> anyone. >>> I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the >>> following... >>> Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache >>> ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI >>> 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz >>> 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS >>> Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE >>> Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER >>> 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE >>> 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER >>> INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER >>> WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD& Licence >>> 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect& Return) Lifetime Tech >>> Support >>> All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case >>> All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 >>> I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the >>> Red Sub >>> "Extreme Audio Machine" >>> (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- >>> Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) >>> Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more >>> with it) >>> I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec >> (pcspecialist) >>> and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't >>> have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might >> as >>> well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all >> heading >>> no? >>> I know there are a number of people on here who build their own >>> machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull >>> their graying hair out on my behalf. >>> Cheers >>> Steve >> >> I see Scott from ADK answered your post over on the CW forum. If he >> recommends a company --with an exclamation point, no less --I'd say >> it's probably worth checking out. >> After much thought& research I ended up getting a laptop from ADK >> (report coming soon, O. Rex!) and they have been a pleasure to deal >> with. You'll have to see how the prices compare, but if it's close >> I'd go with a company that *does* build audio PC's cos their tech >> support would be more familiar with your concerns. >> >> -- >> > > Cheers rom (?) > I should have mentioned the sites I'd visited as Scanuk was one of > them. > I just went back and reconfigured a pretty similar system although > probably a little better in some ways. > > http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ConfigureSystem.asp?SystemID=935 > > price difference is about £250 which isn't quite as bad as I'd first > feared. > Maybe I should call them on Monday. > > Cheers > Steve Have a look through Sound on Sound magazine, as they have ads from the different companies. Off the top of my head, I think there's another one called "Inta audio" or something like that. I build my own, so I don't pay *that* much attention to these ads. rgds, -- =========== John Braner http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and silent. An approach I find works well is to put the DAW software, samples etc. all on one drive, and my projects all on the other, then back them up to each other using Robocopy at the end of every session. That gives me local duplicates both of the Sonar setup and the project data. The SSD could also be fully backed up to one or both of the HDs. (I use an external NAS as well, of course.) Cheers, Martin Ardcorr wrote: > Hi All > I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. > I'll explain. > For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great > reputation called > "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty much > all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back > Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe > they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to have > a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find many. > Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely > over priced > (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was a > typo at first as it retails > for around £80 here. > I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and very > configurable and thus very tempting. > They're called "PCspecialist" (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/ > intel-core-i7-pc/) > but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, > although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and > anyone. > I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the > following... > > Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache > ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI > 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz > 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS > Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE > Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER > 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE > 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER > INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER > WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence > 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect & Return) Lifetime Tech > Support > All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case > > All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 > > I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the > Red Sub > "Extreme Audio Machine" > (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- > Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) > > Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more > with it) > I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec (pcspecialist) > and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't > have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might as > well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all heading > no? > > I know there are a number of people on here who build their own > machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull > their graying hair out on my behalf. > Cheers > Steve > >
On 5/8/2010 8:25 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: > If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive > for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and silent. > You'd be surprised how quickly a 64GB drive would fill up using a 64 bit OS. Some apps give no flexibility on where to install data. Sure it would be silent but the lowest price 64GB SSD is the same price as a 160GB Velociraptor. Plus you get a 5yr warranty. All the research I've read states SSD have a shorter life span than mechanical drives. > An approach I find works well is to put the DAW software, samples etc. > all on one drive, and my projects all on the other, then back them up to > each other using Robocopy at the end of every session. That gives me > local duplicates both of the Sonar setup and the project data. The SSD > could also be fully backed up to one or both of the HDs. > > (I use an external NAS as well, of course.) > > Cheers, > Martin > > Ardcorr wrote: >> Hi All >> I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. >> I'll explain. >> For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great >> reputation called >> "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty much >> all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back >> Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe >> they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to have >> a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find many. >> Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely >> over priced >> (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was a >> typo at first as it retails >> for around £80 here. >> I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and very >> configurable and thus very tempting. >> They're called "PCspecialist" (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/ >> intel-core-i7-pc/) >> but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, >> although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and >> anyone. >> I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the >> following... >> >> Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache >> ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI >> 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz >> 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS >> Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE >> Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER >> 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE >> 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER >> INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER >> WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence >> 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect & Return) Lifetime Tech >> Support >> All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case >> >> All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 >> >> I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the >> Red Sub >> "Extreme Audio Machine" >> (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- >> Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) >> >> Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more >> with it) >> I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec (pcspecialist) >> and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't >> have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might as >> well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all heading >> no? >> >> I know there are a number of people on here who build their own >> machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull >> their graying hair out on my behalf. >> Cheers >> Steve >> >>
On 8 May, 15:07, kitekrazy <> wrote: > On 5/8/2010 8:25 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: > > > If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive > > for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and silent. > > You'd be surprised how quickly a 64GB drive would fill up using a 64 > bit OS. Some apps give no flexibility on where to install data. > > Sure it would be silent but the lowest price 64GB SSD is the same > price as a 160GB Velociraptor. Plus you get a 5yr warranty. All the > research I've read states SSD have a shorter life span than mechanical > drives. > > > An approach I find works well is to put the DAW software, samples etc. > > all on one drive, and my projects all on the other, then back them up to > > each other using Robocopy at the end of every session. That gives me > > local duplicates both of the Sonar setup and the project data. The SSD > > could also be fully backed up to one or both of the HDs. > > > (I use an external NAS as well, of course.) > > > Cheers, > > Martin > > > Ardcorr wrote: > >> Hi All > >> I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. > >> I'll explain. > >> For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great > >> reputation called > >> "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty much > >> all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back > >> Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe > >> they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to have > >> a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find many. > >> Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely > >> over priced > >> (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was a > >> typo at first as it retails > >> for around £80 here. > >> I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and very > >> configurable and thus very tempting. > >> They're called "PCspecialist" (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/ > >> intel-core-i7-pc/) > >> but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, > >> although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and > >> anyone. > >> I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the > >> following... > > >> Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache > >> ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI > >> 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz > >> 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS > >> Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE > >> Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER > >> 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE > >> 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER > >> INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER > >> WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence > >> 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect & Return) Lifetime Tech > >> Support > >> All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case > > >> All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 > > >> I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the > >> Red Sub > >> "Extreme Audio Machine" > >> (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- > >> Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) > > >> Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more > >> with it) > >> I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec (pcspecialist) > >> and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't > >> have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might as > >> well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all heading > >> no? > > >> I know there are a number of people on here who build their own > >> machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull > >> their graying hair out on my behalf. > >> Cheers > >> Steve Good point Kitecrazy I wasn't thinking of buying a smaller os drive, partly because I might be dual booting it and as you say, they do fill up pretty quickly. I was looking at 300 to 500 gig but maybe putting it in a silent enclosure it I find it's too loud. My flatmate is offering to build me one for a much cheaper price if I give him the spec (he does build and repair them for a living) I'm just worried that we'll fall out if it all goes tits up as we say over here Steve
On 10-05-08 07:07 AM, kitekrazy wrote: > On 5/8/2010 8:25 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: >> If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive >> for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and >> silent. >> > > You'd be surprised how quickly a 64GB drive would fill up using a 64 bit > OS. Some apps give no flexibility on where to install data. I only put music apps on my DAW, really, and I don't usually bother with the kind of application that won't let you install it where you want it to go. I can't think of any that I use or need that are like that. Seriously, though, 64GB on the OS drive? What could eat up that space? I always put Sonar on a second drive, and projects on a third. My OS drive is virtually empty except for backups from the other two drives (with three HDs in my current and previous DAWs, I've always backed up all drives to all drives). > Sure it would be silent but the lowest price 64GB SSD is the same price > as a 160GB Velociraptor. Plus you get a 5yr warranty. All the research > I've read states SSD have a shorter life span than mechanical drives. They haven't really been around long enough for us to find out, really. The one in my EeePC is still going strong. A > Sure it would be silent but the lowest price 64GB SSD is the same price > as a 160GB Velociraptor. Plus you get a 5yr warranty. All the research > I've read states SSD have a shorter life span than mechanical drives. They haven't really been around long enough for us to find out, really. The one in my EeePC is still going strong. And there have been no stories of failure emerging so far. I think they'll prove robust. Cheers, Martin >> An approach I find works well is to put the DAW software, samples etc. >> all on one drive, and my projects all on the other, then back them up to >> each other using Robocopy at the end of every session. That gives me >> local duplicates both of the Sonar setup and the project data. The SSD >> could also be fully backed up to one or both of the HDs. >> >> (I use an external NAS as well, of course.) >> >> Cheers, >> Martin >> >> Ardcorr wrote: >>> Hi All >>> I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. >>> I'll explain. >>> For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great >>> reputation called >>> "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty much >>> all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back >>> Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe >>> they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to have >>> a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find many. >>> Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely >>> over priced >>> (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was a >>> typo at first as it retails >>> for around £80 here. >>> I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and very >>> configurable and thus very tempting. >>> They're called "PCspecialist" (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/ >>> intel-core-i7-pc/) >>> but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, >>> although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and >>> anyone. >>> I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the >>> following... >>> >>> Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache >>> ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI >>> 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz >>> 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS >>> Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE >>> Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER >>> 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE >>> 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER >>> INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER >>> WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence >>> 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect & Return) Lifetime Tech >>> Support >>> All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case >>> >>> All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 >>> >>> I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the >>> Red Sub >>> "Extreme Audio Machine" >>> (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- >>> Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) >>> >>> Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more >>> with it) >>> I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec (pcspecialist) >>> and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't >>> have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might as >>> well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all heading >>> no? >>> >>> I know there are a number of people on here who build their own >>> machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull >>> their graying hair out on my behalf. >>> Cheers >>> Steve >>> >>> >
On Sat, 8 May 2010 07:47:12 -0700 (PDT), Ardcorr <> wrote: > On 8 May, 15:07, kitekrazy <> wrote: > > On 5/8/2010 8:25 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: > > > > > If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive > > > for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and sile= > nt. > > > > You'd be surprised how quickly a 64GB drive would fill up using a 64 > > bit OS. Some apps give no flexibility on where to install data. > > > > Sure it would be silent but the lowest price 64GB SSD is the same > > price as a 160GB Velociraptor. Plus you get a 5yr warranty. All the > > research I've read states SSD have a shorter life span than mechanical > > drives. > > > > > An approach I find works well is to put the DAW software, samples etc. > > > all on one drive, and my projects all on the other, then back them up t= > o > > > each other using Robocopy at the end of every session. That gives me > > > local duplicates both of the Sonar setup and the project data. The SSD > > > could also be fully backed up to one or both of the HDs. > > > > > (I use an external NAS as well, of course.) > > > > > Cheers, > > > Martin > > > > > Ardcorr wrote: > > >> Hi All > > >> I'm thinking of buying a new DAW and am thinking of going elsewhere. > > >> I'll explain. > > >> For the last 10 years I have used a company which once held a great > > >> reputation called > > >> "Red Submarine" I've known the guy in the tech department pretty much > > >> all that time and he's always been very helpful. A few years back > > >> Redsub merged with a company called "Gear4music" and I feel maybe > > >> they're not quite what they used to be and thought it was time to have > > >> a look at who else was building DAWs but don't seem able to find many. > > >> Digital village have something called "synergy" which is extremely > > >> over priced > > >> (they are selling windows 7 home premium for £179) I thought it was = > a > > >> typo at first as it retails > > >> for around £80 here. > > >> I did find a company who build computers that are very cheap and very > > >> configurable and thus very tempting. > > >> They're called "PCspecialist" (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers= > / > > >> intel-core-i7-pc/) > > >> but because they don't build for musicians only I am a bit doubtful, > > >> although they claim to build for musicians, gamers and every one and > > >> anyone. > > >> I went and configured one of their I7 machines and came up with the > > >> following... > > > > >> Intel core''17Processor 17-960(3.20Ghz) 4.8GTs/8mb cache > > >> ASUS P6X58D-E: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, 3-Way SLI > > >> 12GB CORSAIR XMS3 TRI-DDR3 1333Mhz > > >> 512MB NVIDIA GFORCE 210 EXPRESS > > >> Power Supply CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUITE > > >> Super Quite 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEAT PIPE CPU COOLER > > >> 640 GB WD CAVIAR GREEN SATA 3Gb/s 64MB CACHE > > >> 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER > > >> INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER > > >> WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64Bit DVD & Licence > > >> 3 Year Standard Warranty (i Month Collect & Return) Lifetime Tech > > >> Support > > >> All packed in The Coolermaster Sileo 500 Super Quiet Case > > > > >> All for a very reasonable £1,362.00 > > > > >> I think this is quite a bit better and more "future proof" than the > > >> Red Sub > > >> "Extreme Audio Machine" > > >> (http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Red-Sub-Extreme- > > >> Audio-Desktop-Computer/A2N) > > > > >> Ok, it's an extra £200 but you're getting (I think) quite a bit more > > >> with it) > > >> I'll probably call Red Sub and give them the above spec (pcspecialist) > > >> and price and see if they can match it but they told me they don't > > >> have those boards and if I'm going to spend that much money I might as > > >> well get something that supports USB3 which is where we're all heading > > >> no? > > > > >> I know there are a number of people on here who build their own > > >> machines and all credit to them but I prefer let someone else pull > > >> their graying hair out on my behalf. > > >> Cheers > > >> Steve > Good point Kitecrazy > I wasn't thinking of buying a smaller os drive, partly because I might > be dual booting it and as you say, > they do fill up pretty quickly. I was looking at 300 to 500 gig but > maybe putting it in a silent enclosure it > I find it's too loud. > My flatmate is offering to build me one for a much cheaper price if I > give him the spec > (he does build and repair them for a living) > I'm just worried that we'll fall out if it all goes tits up as we say > over here > Steve Does your flatmate know about building *audio* PC's or about building PC's in general? If the former, and the savings is substantial, you might want to give it a go; if things "go tits -- borus
Oops...stupid phone newsreader; too easy to hit send too soon. I was gonna say if it "goes tits up" you'll end up being your own tech support like you'd be if you built it yourself. If he doesn't know audio PC's specifically and the savings is significant same thing, I guess, but make sure of your specs first. And whatever BIOS tweaking you'll need to do. -- borus
On 9 May, 01:58, Phoenix <> wrote: > Oops...stupid phone newsreader; too easy to hit send too soon. I was > gonna say if it "goes tits up" you'll end up being your own tech > support like you'd be if you built it yourself. > If he doesn't know audio PC's specifically and the savings is > significant same thing, I guess, but make sure of your specs first. > And whatever BIOS tweaking you'll need to do. > > -- > Trouble is I need something that I know will work out of the box and I need it asap. Well, quit soon anyhow, I was laid off work recently and as well as job hunting I'm determined to spend my days working hard and recording. I think if I let my flatmate build (and no, he hasn't built DAW's before) it could take much longer sourcing the parts As far as choosing the right parts he told me to give him the spec that I'd configured at scanuk and he'd build it for me. I done a little looking my self and found some of those parts were more expensive on other sites and of course they may not always have them in stock. So I think it would take him much longer waiting for parts to arrive by post. Waiting in all day to find that the courier called whilst you were on the toilet. (it's happened to me recently) Scanuk say their systems can be delivered within 8 days and all necessary parts are in stock, I reckon it could take my flatmate that long to source and order them. Steve
On Sun, 9 May 2010 08:00:27 -0700 (PDT), Ardcorr <> wrote: > On 9 May, 01:58, Phoenix <> wrote: > > Oops...stupid phone newsreader; too easy to hit send too soon. I was > > gonna say if it "goes tits up" you'll end up being your own tech > > support like you'd be if you built it yourself. > > If he doesn't know audio PC's specifically and the savings is > > significant same thing, I guess, but make sure of your specs first. > > And whatever BIOS tweaking you'll need to do. > > > > -- > > > Trouble is I need something that I know will work out of the box and I > need it asap. > Well, quit soon anyhow, I was laid off work recently and as well as > job hunting I'm determined to spend my days > working hard and recording. > I think if I let my flatmate build (and no, he hasn't built DAW's > before) it could take much longer > sourcing the parts > As far as choosing the right parts he told me to give him the spec > that I'd configured at scanuk > and he'd build it for me. I done a little looking my self and found > some of those parts were more > expensive on other sites and of course they may not always have them > in stock. > So I think it would take him much longer waiting for parts to arrive > by post. Waiting in all day to find > that the courier called whilst you were on the toilet. (it's happened > to me recently) > Scanuk say their systems can be delivered within 8 days and all > necessary parts are in stock, > I reckon it could take my flatmate that long to source and order them. > Steve Knowing what I spent on my current desktop DAW by the time I was done building it, and the total time it took me to get it up &running, I often think that when it's time for a new one I will let ADK build it if I have the latitude. It's nice to have someone else do all the tweaking and testing for a change. I -- borus
On 5/8/2010 6:50 PM, Martin Holmes wrote: > On 10-05-08 07:07 AM, kitekrazy wrote: >> On 5/8/2010 8:25 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: >>> If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive >>> for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and >>> silent. >>> >> >> You'd be surprised how quickly a 64GB drive would fill up using a 64 bit >> OS. Some apps give no flexibility on where to install data. > > I only put music apps on my DAW, really, and I don't usually bother with > the kind of application that won't let you install it where you want it > to go. I can't think of any that I use or need that are like that. > Seriously, though, 64GB on the OS drive?< W7x64 takes up 20gig. EZ Drummer install EZX on C: with no options for another drive. Not to mention the other things that are installed in apps folders, groove templates and the list goes one. Then there are various VSTs over 200mb. I guess you could start putting stuff that should on an OS drive on another drive but what's the point in that. Sure a 64gb drive might be fine if you run Reaper and a few plugs, but not if you like to run other DAW apps.
On Sun, 9 May 2010 08:00:27 -0700 (PDT), Ardcorr <> wrote: > Scanuk say their systems can be delivered within 8 days and all > necessary parts are in stock, > I reckon it could take my flatmate that long to source and order them. > Steve You are probably right. I see that on the forum Carillon is also competing for your business ("twaddle" --interesting choice of name change <g>). Get quotes from both them & Scan and post back If you need to; well, post back anyway. You might also want to PM Scott and ask him why Scan is "the only one" he'd trust.
On 10 May, 18:34, Phoenix <> wrote: > On Sun, 9 May 2010 08:00:27 -0700 (PDT), Ardcorr > > <> wrote: > > Scanuk say their systems can be delivered within 8 days and all > > necessary parts are in stock, > > I reckon it could take my flatmate that long to source and order > them. > > Steve > > You are probably right. I see that on the forum Carillon is also > competing for your business ("twaddle" --interesting choice of name > change <g>). Get quotes from both them & Scan and post back If you > need to; well, post back anyway. You might also want to PM Scott > and ask him why Scan is "the only one" he'd trust. Yeah I noticed the touting for business. If their configurator worked (which they say is coming soon I could give you a better picture. Not sure I want a rack mount (that's all they do) as there is a perfect space in my computer desk thing for a tower but a rack mount would be too wide. Details, details and damn details. Steve Right now the best thing they have going for them is the fact that they are in Bristol as am I
kitekrazy wrote: > On 5/8/2010 6:50 PM, Martin Holmes wrote: >> On 10-05-08 07:07 AM, kitekrazy wrote: >>> On 5/8/2010 8:25 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: >>>> If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive >>>> for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and >>>> silent. >>>> >>> >>> You'd be surprised how quickly a 64GB drive would fill up using a 64 bit >>> OS. Some apps give no flexibility on where to install data. >> >> I only put music apps on my DAW, really, and I don't usually bother with >> the kind of application that won't let you install it where you want it >> to go. I can't think of any that I use or need that are like that. >> Seriously, though, 64GB on the OS drive?< > > > > W7x64 takes up 20gig. EZ Drummer install EZX on C: with no options for > another drive. In my book, that makes it a crap piece of software, and I wouldn't use it. Any programmer that depends on their application being installed on C: is not competent, IMHO. > Not to mention the other things that are installed in > apps folders, groove templates and the list goes one. You almost always get options there, and even when you don't, you can usually move them later, and change the pointers in the registry or the config files. > Then there are > various VSTs over 200mb. I guess you could start putting stuff that > should on an OS drive on another drive but what's the point in that. So you can have a nice, clean, small SSD drive for your OS. > Sure a 64gb drive might be fine if you run Reaper and a few plugs, but > not if you like to run other DAW apps. On my last DAW, I had Sonar versions 1 through 8.3 all installed on drive D, with lots of third-party VSTs also on D; and all my projects were on drive E. The OS drive was pretty much clean, except for some utilities. I can't imagine my OS drive ever getting close to 64GB. Cheers, Martin
On 11 May, 04:36, Martin Holmes <> wrote: > kitekrazy wrote: > > On 5/8/2010 6:50 PM, Martin Holmes wrote: > >> On 10-05-08 07:07 AM, kitekrazy wrote: > >>> On 5/8/2010 8:25 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: > >>>> If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive > >>>> for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and > >>>> silent. > > >>> You'd be surprised how quickly a 64GB drive would fill up using a 64 bit > >>> OS. Some apps give no flexibility on where to install data. > > >> I only put music apps on my DAW, really, and I don't usually bother with > >> the kind of application that won't let you install it where you want it > >> to go. I can't think of any that I use or need that are like that. > >> Seriously, though, 64GB on the OS drive?< > > > W7x64 takes up 20gig. EZ Drummer install EZX on C: with no options for > > another drive. > > In my book, that makes it a crap piece of software, and I wouldn't use > it. Any programmer that depends on their application being installed on > C: is not competent, IMHO. > > > Not to mention the other things that are installed in > > apps folders, groove templates and the list goes one. > > You almost always get options there, and even when you don't, you can > usually move them later, and change the pointers in the registry or the > config files. > > > Then there are > > various VSTs over 200mb. I guess you could start putting stuff that > > should on an OS drive on another drive but what's the point in that. > > So you can have a nice, clean, small SSD drive for your OS. > > > Sure a 64gb drive might be fine if you run Reaper and a few plugs, but > > not if you like to run other DAW apps. > > On my last DAW, I had Sonar versions 1 through 8.3 all installed on > drive D, with lots of third-party VSTs also on D; and all my projects > were on drive E. The OS drive was pretty much clean, except for some > utilities. I can't imagine my OS drive ever getting close to 64GB. > > Cheers, > Martin Assuming you had no problems having sonar installed on drive "D" I'm compelled to ask why went against all popular opinion that says always install programs to their default drive "C"? Steve
On 5/11/2010 6:34 AM, Ardcorr wrote: > On 11 May, 04:36, Martin Holmes<> wrote: >> kitekrazy wrote: >>> On 5/8/2010 6:50 PM, Martin Holmes wrote: >>>> On 10-05-08 07:07 AM, kitekrazy wrote: >>>>> On 5/8/2010 8:25 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: >>>>>> If I were building a new box now, I'd use a smallish (64GB?) SSD drive >>>>>> for the OS, and two 2TB drives for data. The SSD would be fast and >>>>>> silent. >> >>>>> You'd be surprised how quickly a 64GB drive would fill up using a 64 bit >>>>> OS. Some apps give no flexibility on where to install data. >> >>>> I only put music apps on my DAW, really, and I don't usually bother with >>>> the kind of application that won't let you install it where you want it >>>> to go. I can't think of any that I use or need that are like that. >>>> Seriously, though, 64GB on the OS drive?< >> >>> W7x64 takes up 20gig. EZ Drummer install EZX on C: with no options for >>> another drive. >> >> In my book, that makes it a crap piece of software, and I wouldn't use >> it. Any programmer that depends on their application being installed on >> C: is not competent, IMHO. >> >>> Not to mention the other things that are installed in >>> apps folders, groove templates and the list goes one. >> >> You almost always get options there, and even when you don't, you can >> usually move them later, and change the pointers in the registry or the >> config files. >> >>> Then there are >>> various VSTs over 200mb. I guess you could start putting stuff that >>> should on an OS drive on another drive but what's the point in that. >> >> So you can have a nice, clean, small SSD drive for your OS. >> >>> Sure a 64gb drive might be fine if you run Reaper and a few plugs, but >>> not if you like to run other DAW apps. >> >> On my last DAW, I had Sonar versions 1 through 8.3 all installed on >> drive D, with lots of third-party VSTs also on D; and all my projects >> were on drive E. The OS drive was pretty much clean, except for some >> utilities. I can't imagine my OS drive ever getting close to 64GB. >> >> Cheers, >> Martin > > Assuming you had no problems having sonar installed on drive "D" > I'm compelled to ask why went against all popular opinion that says > always > install programs to their default drive "C"? > Steve Makes no sense to me. I wouldn't follow that advice.
Ha. Well, I only install to C: if the program is expected to participate wth booting, or with some other event related to running the system without another drive letter available. Works great for me, of course there are some considerations when restoring but it all works (for me). YMMV.... -- Sue Morton "kitekrazy" <> wrote in message news:hscgk5$j0r$-september.org... >> always >> install programs to their default drive "C"? >> Steve > > Makes no sense to me. I wouldn't follow that advice.
