Has any one here built a room largely by the design techniques offered by Auralex on the Acoustics 101 design (http://www.acoustics101.com/index.htm)? I'm about to embark on the great journey to build a floating room for the sake of my growing family's practicing, recording and producing needs. I'm most interested in the cost. Let's say I'm building a floating room that's about 12'x20'x8'. Let's say that that is has block (or greatly reduce) the sound of a guitar amplifier and a snare drum, along with violin and other basic instruments that you might thing a growing kid would need to learn how to play. The rest of the family should be allowed some piece and quiet during "session." So I'm going to need some professionally- designed sound blocking products, such as the Auralex stuff. Or am I? At any rate, assuming all that, how much money will it take for me to build it with my own hands? Would anyone like to speak from experience? Thanks Dave
jddj <> so articulated news:Xns9496C942BB5C6duked@151.164.30.94: > some piece > and quiet Holy crap. I need to check my spelling beter. Dave
"jddj" <> wrote in message news:Xns9496CD21E639Cduked@151.164.30.92... > jddj <> so articulated > news:Xns9496C942BB5C6duked@151.164.30.94: > > Holy crap. I need to check my spelling beter. "better" <g> -- Mike Fisher http://www.calvarytempleindy.org http://www.soundclick.com/mikefisher http://www.fishmusic.net
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:46:53 GMT, jddj <> wrote: >I'm most interested in the cost. Let's say I'm building a floating room >that's about 12'x20'x8'. Those are terrible dimensions, all multiples of 4" so you will get evil standing waves. >and quiet during "session." So I'm going to need some professionally- >designed sound blocking products, such as the Auralex stuff. Or am I? Auralex is sound treatment stuff for a room. You use it with some of Ethan Winer's bass traps to control the sound _quality_ inside the studio. Seems to me you are mostly looking for sound transmission Blocking. to keep the family, neighbors, etc. happy. Block is a completely different thing than treatment for quality. A good studio has both blocking/isolation and quality treatment. >At any rate, assuming all that, how much money will it take for me to build >it with my own hands? Would anyone like to speak from experience? No idea on this one. Everest's Sound Studio Construction on a Budget book talks about it, but does not provide a budget in $$$$. This month's Electronic Musician also has an article on the topic. Fundamentally, I don't think it is worthwhile for a hobby studio to bother with sound blocking/isolation. Doing sound quality is enough. If it is a professional studio, my first suggestion is to buy one already built, as they are selling for pennies on the dollar. The second is to put the commecial studio somewhere where noise is not a problem. Trying to build an isolated and acoustically treated (for quality) studio for home recording costs more than it is worth to me. I can tell the wife to take the kid out to dinner for a lot less. YMMV, etc. Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/prc/
Sound blocking material is not cheap. You can send the wife and kids to Disneyland a couple times for what I've put into a few square yards of blocking material. The current EQ magazine also has an article on this. It shows how a couple guys have spent thousands trying to keep the sound of their drums and basses inside the practice/recording area (to no avail). Steven "Pat Farrell" <> wrote in message news:... > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:46:53 GMT, jddj > <> wrote: > >I'm most interested in the cost. Let's say I'm building a floating room > >that's about 12'x20'x8'. > > Those are terrible dimensions, all multiples of 4" > so you will get evil standing waves. > > >and quiet during "session." So I'm going to need some professionally- > >designed sound blocking products, such as the Auralex stuff. Or am I? > > Auralex is sound treatment stuff for a room. > You use it with some of Ethan Winer's bass traps > to control the sound _quality_ inside the studio. > > Seems to me you are mostly looking for sound transmission > Blocking. to keep the family, neighbors, etc. happy. > Block is a completely different thing than treatment for quality. > > A good studio has both blocking/isolation and > quality treatment. > > >At any rate, assuming all that, how much money will it take for me to build > >it with my own hands? Would anyone like to speak from experience? > > No idea on this one. > Everest's Sound Studio Construction on a Budget book > talks about it, but does not provide a budget in $$$$. > > This month's Electronic Musician also has an article on the topic. > > Fundamentally, I don't think it is worthwhile for a hobby studio to > bother with sound blocking/isolation. Doing sound quality is enough. > If it is a professional studio, my first suggestion is to buy one > already built, as they are selling for pennies on the dollar. > The second is to put the commecial studio somewhere where > noise is not a problem. > > Trying to build an isolated and acoustically treated (for quality) > studio for home recording costs more than it is worth to me. > I can tell the wife to take the kid out to dinner for a lot less. > YMMV, etc. > > > Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/prc/
"Pat Farrell" <> wrote in message news:... > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:46:53 GMT, jddj > <> wrote: > >I'm most interested in the cost. Let's say I'm building a floating room > >that's about 12'x20'x8'. > > Those are terrible dimensions, all multiples of 4" > so you will get evil standing waves. Those are just guidelines. The real world is always different. I used to have a room that was 12'x12'x8' that wasn't too bad. And "theoretically" the only way it could have been worse would have been if it was 8'x8'x8'. But I moved to another room that was 13'x'13'x8' (but theoretically should have been "better") that was awful. But you're right in that since he's starting from scratch he needs to "skew" the likely results in his favor.
"Ricky W. Hunt" <> so articulated news:sTVZb.373887 $xy6.1934030@attbi_s02: > But you're right in that since he's starting > from scratch he needs to "skew" the likely results in his favor. > I'm just imagining right now.
"Steven Bell" <> so articulated newsIVZb.4307$aT1.1102 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: > You can send the wife and kids to > Disneyland a couple times for what I've put into a few square yards of > blocking material. > So this is a case of "if you have to ask, you can't afford it," eh?
In newsIVZb.4307$ the killer robot "Steven Bell" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > The current EQ magazine also has an article on this. It shows how a > couple guys have spent thousands trying to keep the sound of their > drums and basses inside the practice/recording area (to no avail). My method works. I can even record bass and drums at 2:00 a.m. with people sleeping in the next room. Anyone who is interested in plans on how to purchase V-Drums and a Digitech bass amp modeling preamp send the entire contents of your wallet to: Yet Another Ripoff c/o Glennbo 1234 Dirt Road Carrier, IP. 90125 <g> -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:12:22 GMT, jddj <> wrote: >"Steven Bell" <> so articulated newsIVZb.4307$aT1.1102 >@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: >> You can send the wife and kids to >> Disneyland a couple times for what I've put into a few square yards of >> blocking material. >So this is a case of "if you have to ask, you can't afford it," eh? What Steven said. It takes mass, lots of it to stop bass (guitars, drums, etc.) A couple of sheets of drywall is flat out not gonna do it. You need mass, different layers at different masses, isolation systems, absolutly ZERO leaks, etc. Think eight inches of poured concrete, not just 8 inch cinder/concrete blocks. Or listen to glennbo, get VDrums and a Pod and a couple of other things like that, and have money left to send the wife and kids to DisneyWorld. Get the Everest book, read it, and then buy a Pod and a new Gibson and a new Fender. You will be money ahead. Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/prc/
Glennbo <> wrote in news:Xns9496E427D90BEBrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.92: > Anyone who is interested in plans on > how to purchase V-Drums and a Digitech bass amp modeling preamp send the > entire contents of your wallet to: > Dear Mr. Glennbo: I am interested in purchasing of your plans on how to purchase the above items. Please find enclosed three dollars, a gerber baby food coupon ($.50 off the purchase of any four 2 foods), and a button. Yours, John David Duke Jr
Pat Farrell wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:12:22 GMT, jddj > <> wrote: > > >"Steven Bell" <> so articulated newsIVZb.4307$aT1.1102 > >@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: > >> You can send the wife and kids to > >> Disneyland a couple times for what I've put into a few square yards of > >> blocking material. > >So this is a case of "if you have to ask, you can't afford it," eh? > > What Steven said. > It takes mass, lots of it to stop bass (guitars, drums, etc.) > A couple of sheets of drywall is flat out not gonna do it. > You need mass, different layers at different masses, > isolation systems, absolutly ZERO leaks, etc. A friend in Montpelier (Vermont) built an isolated studio with angled walls and ceilings, quadruple-insulated skylights, and even sound-deadened 'stuff' around the wiring between the studio and (unsuspended) control room. The studio was suspended on a separate cinderblock foundation. Way back in about 1985, it cost over $60,000 without equipment. (And he lost it in a divorce a few years later.) Dennis
In news:Xns9496EC352CF72duked@151.164.30.94 the killer robot jddj <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Dear Mr. Glennbo: > > I am interested in purchasing of your plans on how to purchase the > above items. Please find enclosed three dollars, a gerber baby food > coupon ($.50 off the purchase of any four 2 foods), and a button. Your detailed instruction booklet and VHS tape on purchasing these items will promptly ship the moment your payment is received. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
In news: the killer robot Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > A friend in Montpelier (Vermont) built an isolated studio with angled > walls and ceilings, quadruple-insulated skylights, and even > sound-deadened 'stuff' around the wiring between the studio and > (unsuspended) control room. The studio was suspended on a separate > cinderblock foundation. Way back in about 1985, it cost over $60,000 > without equipment. > > (And he lost it in a divorce a few years later.) Major bummer! -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
"Pat Farrell" <> wrote in news:: > Or listen to glennbo, get VDrums and a Pod and a couple of > other things like that, and have money left to > send the wife and kids to DisneyWorld. > Seriously, so if I build a rec-room for music--not just for me, but for kids' practicing and stuff--I don't have a prayer of isolating it? I mean, reasonably speaking, not professionally. That's very sad. I'm sure I can do the construction necessary for isolating a room, but if it costs THAT much to buy blocking material (check out the acoustics 101 link I posted earlier), then should I give up all hope? $60 K is a little over my budget...man, I can't even imagine Dave
It's good that you are asking. That way you'll get a better sense of the bang per buck ratio and set your expectations accordingly. Steven "jddj" <> wrote in message news:Xns9496E1EDE28C6duked@151.164.30.93... > "Steven Bell" <> so articulated newsIVZb.4307$aT1.1102 > @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: > > > You can send the wife and kids to > > Disneyland a couple times for what I've put into a few square yards of > > blocking material. > > > > So this is a case of "if you have to ask, you can't afford it," eh?
It all depends upon how many decibles at what frequency ranges you need to block and how *much* of that you require to block in order for this to be considered "worth it". Acoustical Solutions has some really good information (and great products). I am using some of their audio seal as well as four of the acoustical blankets (which incorporate the heavy vinyl seal). Steven "jddj" <> wrote in message news:Xns9496F022E6A62duked@151.164.30.92... > "Pat Farrell" <> wrote in > news:: > > > Or listen to glennbo, get VDrums and a Pod and a couple of > > other things like that, and have money left to > > send the wife and kids to DisneyWorld. > > > > Seriously, so if I build a rec-room for music--not just for me, but for > kids' practicing and stuff--I don't have a prayer of isolating it? I mean, > reasonably speaking, not professionally. That's very sad. I'm sure I can > do the construction necessary for isolating a room, but if it costs THAT > much to buy blocking material (check out the acoustics 101 link I posted > earlier), then should I give up all hope? > > $60 K is a little over my budget...man, I can't even imagine > > Dave
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 05:36:08 GMT, jddj <> wrote: >Seriously, so if I build a rec-room for music--not just for me, but for >kids' practicing and stuff--I don't have a prayer of isolating it? I mean, >reasonably speaking, not professionally. That's very sad. I'm sure I can >do the construction necessary for isolating a room, but if it costs THAT >much to buy blocking material (check out the acoustics 101 link I posted >earlier), Quoting from the references Acoustics 101 page: "I assume you understand that acoustic foam, Auralex’s core product, is not meant to fully "soundproof" your room. That it is an extremely effective absorber of ambient, reflected sound & helps make any room "sound better." " They have good stuff. SheetBlok is not at all cheap. U-Boats Rubber Floor Decouplers and Auralex RC8 Resilient Channel (aka "Z" Channel) are real products. They say "A material’s NRC is an average of its absorption at various center frequencies between 125Hz & 4000Hz" which means it doesn't do much below 80 hz. ~80hz is low E on a normal guitar. One thing missing from their specs, and any other easily availble reference is how many dB reduction you can expect for a given STC value. And at what frequencies It is easy to attenuate about 1000 hz or so. It is relatively easy to get attenuation at 100hz and above. It is the 40 to 80 hz range that is the problem. You can be doing well getting 20 dB reduction, but that still leaves a 100 dB wailing guitar at 80dB in your living room. > then should I give up all hope? Depends on your expectations. And what instruments the kids play, and how quiet you expect the rest of the house to be. When my kid was learning to play the violin, it was loud and piercing. Then she took up trumpet, and that was louder. Not at all clear that the Statocaster was louder than the trumpet. Will you be able to listen to audiophile recordings while the kids are playing loudly? nope. Can you make it so you can talk in normal converations, or only a little louder? Perhaps. Can you make it so you don't lose your hearing while the kids do? Sure. Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/prc/
Hi Dave, I did a garage conversion for my brother in law,who is a drummer.We used lots of sheet block(vinyl),double walls,double doors,D/glass.He lives on a hill side,so his house is below and the neighbors are above.The garage pad is cut into the hill side,it works pretty well for stopping sound.He has Auralex diffusers on the walls inside as well.He recorded the percussion for his bands latest cd there,(on Protools,I have to talk to him about that<G>). Scott "jddj" <> wrote in message news:Xns9496E1D711855duked@151.164.30.93... > "Ricky W. Hunt" <> so articulated news:sTVZb.373887 > $xy6.1934030@attbi_s02: > > > But you're right in that since he's starting > > from scratch he needs to "skew" the likely results in his favor. > > > > I'm just imagining right now.
Does anyone here have experience with the whisperroom products? (www.whisperroom.com) They have two big advantages which result from the fact that they can be broken down. 1. Portability. If you move you can take your studio with you. 2. They are not, technically speaking, a permanent structure. This could be a big help in getting around zoning ordinances. Another big advantage is the savings in time. It comes to your house. You put it together. You're done in a matter of hours vs. days, weeks, or months. I've been seriously considering one for our basement, since our studio/guestroom has become a guestroom/guestroom. eric Pat Farrell wrote: > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:46:53 GMT, jddj > <> wrote: > >>I'm most interested in the cost. Let's say I'm building a floating room >>that's about 12'x20'x8'. > > > Those are terrible dimensions, all multiples of 4" > so you will get evil standing waves. > > >>and quiet during "session." So I'm going to need some professionally- >>designed sound blocking products, such as the Auralex stuff. Or am I? > > > Auralex is sound treatment stuff for a room. > You use it with some of Ethan Winer's bass traps > to control the sound _quality_ inside the studio. > > Seems to me you are mostly looking for sound transmission > Blocking. to keep the family, neighbors, etc. happy. > Block is a completely different thing than treatment for quality. > > A good studio has both blocking/isolation and > quality treatment. > > >>At any rate, assuming all that, how much money will it take for me to build >>it with my own hands? Would anyone like to speak from experience? > > > No idea on this one. > Everest's Sound Studio Construction on a Budget book > talks about it, but does not provide a budget in $$$$. > > This month's Electronic Musician also has an article on the topic. > > Fundamentally, I don't think it is worthwhile for a hobby studio to > bother with sound blocking/isolation. Doing sound quality is enough. > If it is a professional studio, my first suggestion is to buy one > already built, as they are selling for pennies on the dollar. > The second is to put the commecial studio somewhere where > noise is not a problem. > > Trying to build an isolated and acoustically treated (for quality) > studio for home recording costs more than it is worth to me. > I can tell the wife to take the kid out to dinner for a lot less. > YMMV, etc. > > > Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/prc/
