Just received my copy of Cubase Studio 5 Won't be leaving the studio for a few days, I guess HUGE upgrade from my old SX 3
Bas a écrit : > Just received my copy of Cubase Studio 5 > Won't be leaving the studio for a few days, I guess > HUGE upgrade from my old SX 3 Please, let us know what you think. I'm going to order my copy in a few days, and I might be doing like you (skipping cubase 4, that is). I am curious: do you receive a box with a manual and everyhting or just a link or a DVD? Huey
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:21:02 +0100, Hueyduck <> wrote: >Please, let us know what you think. So far, it's magic. Way more streamlined, it's like everything sounds better Plugins are amazing too. The only thing I miss so far -compared to C5- is the Reverence reverb. >I am curious: do you receive a box with a manual and everyhting or just >a link or a DVD? A box with 4 DVD's and a dongle and a manual.
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:07:40 +0100, Bas wrote: > Just received my copy of Cubase Studio 5 Won't be leaving the studio for > a few days, I guess HUGE upgrade from my old SX 3 Studio or wanking room? I reckon wanking room.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:09:19 GMT, Indelible Murtcepts <> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:07:40 +0100, Bas wrote: > >> Just received my copy of Cubase Studio 5 Won't be leaving the studio for >> a few days, I guess HUGE upgrade from my old SX 3 > >Studio or wanking room? I reckon wanking room. Thank you for your well-informed, insightful and on-topic comment. Too bad you never had anything more than grade school.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:09:19 GMT, Indelible Murtcepts <> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:07:40 +0100, Bas wrote: > >> Just received my copy of Cubase Studio 5 Won't be leaving the studio for >> a few days, I guess HUGE upgrade from my old SX 3 > >Studio or wanking room? I reckon wanking room. Oh dear...I don't think this was quite the reaction that Steinberg had in mind when they released C5!! The natives are restless.. I'm tryng to resist the upgrade though I fear I'll weaken very soon. I don't like missing out.......LL
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:29:22 +0000, lancelightning <> wrote: >On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:09:19 GMT, Indelible Murtcepts ><> wrote: > >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:07:40 +0100, Bas wrote: >> >>> Just received my copy of Cubase Studio 5 Won't be leaving the studio for >>> a few days, I guess HUGE upgrade from my old SX 3 >> >>Studio or wanking room? I reckon wanking room. > >Oh dear...I don't think this was quite the reaction that Steinberg had >in mind when they released C5!! The natives are restless.. > >I'm tryng to resist the upgrade though I fear I'll weaken very soon. I >don't like missing out.......LL You wanna know something funny? With C5, it's as if everything sounds better.....
> > I'm tryng to resist the upgrade though I fear I'll weaken very soon. I > don't like missing out.......LL You'll crack. You know you will My Cubase 5 arrived on Thursday. Haven't had a huge amount of time to play about with it yet, but what I have seen so far looks cool.
>I'm tryng to resist the upgrade though I fear I'll weaken very soon. I >don't like missing out.......LL Times have changed. A few years ago this forum would have been throbbing with anticipation followed by vicious criticism of a new version.
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:35:58 +0000, Laurence Payne <> wrote: > >>I'm tryng to resist the upgrade though I fear I'll weaken very soon. I >>don't like missing out.......LL > >Times have changed. A few years ago this forum would have been >throbbing with anticipation followed by vicious criticism of a new >version. Aaaarrrrrrrrgh!! that's it...I can't stand it...time to get the wallet out again!! ho di bloody ho...off to Steinberg I go!! Mrs LL is not going to be at all amused..bread, lard and cooking sherry is all we can afford this month now!!....Here we go again!! It wouldn't be so bad but I just bought a new bass the other week...oh gawd!! From what I've read so far, the C5 upgrade could actually be a good move...I'll report back.... LL.. (now saving up for Windows7...this is an illness from which there is no returnl!!)
lancelightning" <> wrote in message news:... > On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:35:58 +0000, Laurence Payne > <> wrote: > >> >>>I'm tryng to resist the upgrade though I fear I'll weaken very soon. I >>>don't like missing out.......LL >> >>Times have changed. A few years ago this forum would have been >>throbbing with anticipation followed by vicious criticism of a new >>version. > > Aaaarrrrrrrrgh!! that's it...I can't stand it...time to get the > wallet out again!! ho di bloody ho...off to Steinberg I go!! Mrs LL > is not going to be at all amused..bread, lard and cooking sherry is > all we can afford this month now!!....Here we go again!! It wouldn't > be so bad but I just bought a new bass the other week...oh gawd!! From > what I've read so far, the C5 upgrade could actually be a good > move...I'll report back.... > > LL.. (now saving up for Windows7...this is an illness from which there > is no returnl!!) > Bread? Lard? COOKING SHERRY??? Luxury lad. Luxury. We 'ave a bowl of warm gravel between us every other day....!! If we're lucky!!! and it's been that way for the last fourteen years! Windows 7 isn't out for a few months at least, but the new Intel i7 CPU based system you'll 'need' with triple channel memory access and hyper-threading so the CPU appears to the OS as 8 virtual cores and 24GB of DDR-3 RAM can be yours RIGHT NOW!!! ..... Sorry (oops!). Should I not have mentioned that? LOL (seriously - C5 runs OK on my four year old 2GHz Centrino laptop which is all I've had time to install it on so far - not saying it won't run out of steam if I overdo things, but it runs fine so far, so pretty much any reasonably specified recent system should also be good enough to run C5 pretty well, and a Core 2 dual or quad core Intel system with 2GB + RAM and XP/Vista should be reasonable as should a recent AMD based system - and I'm sure we'll find out soon enough if and what the features are that take a heavy toll on our systems) It's certainly an expensive treadmill this constant upgrading lark. Now where is that Sound on Sound review of that i7 based Scan Power DAW PC? - drool.....
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:13:58 -0000, "nickm" <> wrote: >Windows 7 isn't out for a few months at least, but the new Intel i7 CPU >based system you'll 'need' with triple channel memory access and >hyper-threading so the CPU appears to the OS as 8 virtual cores and 24GB of >DDR-3 RAM can be yours RIGHT NOW!! What would that do for the performance of C5? I now have a Pentium D CPU @ 3 GHz. C5 runs fine so far, although in my average project CPU use is at 50-60% and whenever I click a menu, C5 'hiccups' a bit
"Bas" <> wrote in message news:... > On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:13:58 -0000, "nickm" <> wrote: > >>Windows 7 isn't out for a few months at least, but the new Intel i7 CPU >>based system you'll 'need' with triple channel memory access and >>hyper-threading so the CPU appears to the OS as 8 virtual cores and 24GB >>of >>DDR-3 RAM can be yours RIGHT NOW!! > > What would that do for the performance of C5? > I now have a Pentium D CPU @ 3 GHz. > C5 runs fine so far, although in my average project CPU use is at > 50-60% and whenever I click a menu, C5 'hiccups' a bit Well I'm about to find out as it happens. Just built a new system over the last couple of days which consists of: Intel Core i7 920 CPU @ 2.66GHz 3 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 PC-10600 (1333GHz) RAM modules Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 motherboard - Intel x58 chipset GeForce 9600GT graphics 250GB Seagate Barracuda SATA for system and programs 500GB Seagate Barracuda SATA for whatever (probably sample libraries) 1TB Samsung SATA data drive for audio projects etc... Samsung Blu-Ray reader and DVD-RW/CD-RW Vista Ultimate 64 bit The board has two PCI standard slots, but one is blocked by the cooling system of the graphics card, so I *may* swap the graphics card at some point for something equally as quick, but slimmer to allow me to use some of my older PCI cards in the system - and that can be a problem when ordering stuff on line as you don't always get an idea of the physical sizes of components. To some extent, I have gone with components that were immediately available but they are nevertheless respectable and Crucial Memory as well as Gigabyte, Seagate and Samsung are always pretty reliable components to have. I have researched what each component gives me rather than just buying blindly, and I did take a detailed long look at the Sound on Sound review of the Scan Power DAW before ordering. I'll use either my M-Audio FW1814 which now has proper Vista 64 bit drivers or my MOTU Traveler for now as the audio interface. This system will run mainly Cubase 5 64 bit, Wavelab 6, Groove Agent 3, Melodyne (with DNA as soon as it is released) and a number of other plugins I have. It will have Office 2007 Enterprise installed too as it is a work machine. I may also look at something like East-West's Symphonic Choirs which is sample heavy, but at present I don't have the software. I'll transfer a few existing projects from one of my other machines and compare performance just to get a feel for what the improvements are in real terms. I work as an IT Consultant and will use this machine for other stuff as well as audio, so although it's cost me quite a bit, it is already lined up for other things and it will pay for itself overall via a number of routes/projects In answer to your question about what the i7 based system is likely to do in terms of performance, I suggest (if you can) that you take a look at Martin Walker's PC Notes column in February's Sound on Sound where he has a box entitled Intel ore i7 & x58 Revealed. One of the biggest things about the Core i7 and X58 chipset is that it uses what Intel are calling Quickpath Interconnect technology rather than the older Front Side Bus, and that Quickpath interconnect offers about twice the bandwidth of the older X48 chipset. The memory controller is no longer part of the chipset, but is part of the CPU itself and allows three channel memory communication directy with the CPU with DIMM's being installed in sets of three DDR3 modules at a time. The effect of all of this that you get greater memory bandwidth that would be available if using just a single DDR3 DIMM or two DIMMs, faster processing by virtue of the hyperthreaded quad core i7 and therefore to quote MW 'This is a superb CPU (referring to the Intel Core i7 920), offering a big hike in audio performance'. A friend of mine has just ordered the Scan Power DAW PC as reviewed in Feb 09's Sound on Sound tnhrough his work place specifically just to use with audio and video related projects, and it's not far shy of £2k GBP. The review quotes a price of £1532 GBP inc VAT. My friend has added in a better audio card than the one offered, and despite the fact he's initially going to be using Windows XP Pro, he's having 6GB RAM in three modules to be ready as he will move to 64 bit shortly, plus he's going for a couple of bigger drives than the ones they offer normally. The review has a graph which shows the relative performances of the Quad Core Hyper-threaded Intel i7 920 (2.66 GHz) against a dual quad core Intel Xeon system @ 2.66GHz, a Quad Core Intel Core 2 Q9450 at 2.66GHz and a Quad core Intel Core 2 QX6700 at 2.66GHz using DAWbench DSP Universal Benchmark RXC. Each machine is tested at 4 different buffer sizes. The i7 based system comes out on top with the dual qad Xeon system slightly behind in all but one test. the Quad core Q9450 system is about 25% slower than the i7 920 and the quad core QX6700 system is about 50% slower than the i7 920. Now I don't have any benchmark figures immediately to hand regarding your Pentium D system at 3GHz and I don't have any idea how much RAM you currently have and what speed it is, but assuming that it is roughly half as capable as the quad core QX9700 based system in terms of speed of moving data around (and I am guessing), an i7 920 based system should give you a performance increase of about 300% on what you have at the moment. However in the real world things tend not to be quite so simplistic, so without any real idea of exactly what performance increases are likely in any of my own tests yet against my current Q6600, 4GB, Vista 64 system - although I can already see that it's generally quicker at everything (not measured - and of course it's a brand new Windows installation against a 2 year old Windows installation, so I would expect it to be anyway), I'd take a stab in the dark at you getting at least double the performance in every respect that you are getting now - and I think that's very conservative, but I make that statement purely on the basis of a guesstimate and the real world results are likely to be different. If it helps, once I have completed installing all my software on the new machine I've just built I'll do a few comparitive tests and report the results here but only as a rough guide for anyone who may be interested. Suffice it to say though, although the i7 920 CPU isn't the fastest Extreme version of the i7 chip, it does seem to be, like the Core 2 E660 and Core 2 Q6600 chips before it, to offer the best current bang for buck at around £225 GBP inc VAT, and everything I'm reading about it suggess that it will be popular amongst musicians. It will probably come down in price in the UK at some point, but maybe not quite as much as the E6600 and Q6600 did quite as quickly due to the current economic climate and exchange rates etc :-( So far, I think I've got a pretty well specified and quick machine on my hands, however the next week or so should give me a better idea. I'll post back if there's anything useful to report.
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:28:01 -0000, "nickm" <> wrote: >So far, I think I've got a pretty well specified and quick machine on my >hands, however the next week or so should give me a better idea. I'll post >back if there's anything useful to report. > I should say you have a pretty well specified machine Useful reports will be much appreciated. Vista 64 is not an option for me, since I have a Creamware Scope Home 4.5 sound card, and since Creamware has been bought by Sonic Core, I don't expect 64 bit drivers for the card. Apart from the card, my system uses 1.5 GB RAM, XP Pro SP3, Cubase Studio 5, and it is a dedicated music PC, only (not much) music-related software installed, no internet connection. On the outside I have an AKG C414 mic with a Behringer pre-amp, KRK 6000 monitor speakers, Edirol PCR1 master keyboard and 3 22" LG L226WU monitors. The system is audiomatically connected to my -now infamous- Audigy card on my other PC via SP-DIF.
> > Vista 64 is not an option for me, since I have a Creamware Scope Home > 4.5 sound card, and since Creamware has been bought by Sonic Core, I > don't expect 64 bit drivers for the card. That's a shame as although XP 32 bit is still very popular, it does limit the maximum RAM that's accessible. I've found Vista 64 to be very stable over the last two years on my existing system, but the hold up on drivers from some manufacturers has been a pain, but they are catching up at long last. > Apart from the card, my system uses 1.5 GB RAM, XP Pro SP3, Cubase > Studio 5, and it is a dedicated music PC, only (not much) > music-related software installed, no internet connection. In the short term, it may be possible to achieve a bit more grunt from your existing system with a compatible Core 2 Duo chip and more RAM, but if it is doing OK as it is, perhaps you'd be better saving your cash for when it does become necessary to move to a new system > On the outside I have an AKG C414 mic with a Behringer pre-amp, KRK > 6000 monitor speakers, Edirol PCR1 master keyboard and 3 22" LG L226WU > monitors. The system is audiomatically connected to my -now infamous- > Audigy card on my other PC via SP-DIF. I like the KRK range of monitors. I've got a pair of Rokit 6 G2 which are pretty good for nearfields. Multiple VGA monitors is always good too.
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:58:01 -0000, "nickm" <> wrote: >> >> Vista 64 is not an option for me, since I have a Creamware Scope Home >> 4.5 sound card, and since Creamware has been bought by Sonic Core, I >> don't expect 64 bit drivers for the card. > >That's a shame as although XP 32 bit is still very popular, it does limit >the maximum RAM that's accessible. I've found Vista 64 to be very stable >over the last two years on my existing system, but the hold up on drivers >from some manufacturers has been a pain, but they are catching up at long >last. A lot of them are, yes. But Sonic Core won't be among them, not for the Scope Home card. Too bad, since the card works very good (for me). > >> Apart from the card, my system uses 1.5 GB RAM, XP Pro SP3, Cubase >> Studio 5, and it is a dedicated music PC, only (not much) >> music-related software installed, no internet connection. > >In the short term, it may be possible to achieve a bit more grunt from your >existing system with a compatible Core 2 Duo chip and more RAM, but if it is >doing OK as it is, perhaps you'd be better saving your cash for when it does >become necessary to move to a new system First thing I'll try is upgrading to the full 3GB of RAM. See what that gets me. I'll be able to drudge on till the I7's become cheaper > >> On the outside I have an AKG C414 mic with a Behringer pre-amp, KRK >> 6000 monitor speakers, Edirol PCR1 master keyboard and 3 22" LG L226WU >> monitors. The system is audiomatically connected to my -now infamous- >> Audigy card on my other PC via SP-DIF. > >I like the KRK range of monitors. I've got a pair of Rokit 6 G2 which are >pretty good for nearfields. Multiple VGA monitors is always good too. I used to work in a studio where they had the 6000's. Sounded like they were taylor-made for my ears. Made my work a whole lot easier, so when I seriously started dabbling at home as well, I got me a pair. And the monitors.... never seen anything like it. Just connect to each other via USB and *poof* stretched desktop. You can link up to 8 of these babies. I'd run out of room, since 3 is already a whole lotta monitor. 66 inches is a LOT.
"Laurence Payne" <> wrote in message news:... > >>I'm tryng to resist the upgrade though I fear I'll weaken very soon. I >>don't like missing out.......LL > > Times have changed. A few years ago this forum would have been > throbbing with anticipation followed by vicious criticism of a new > version. I'm still learning Studio 4. LOTS to learn to learn how to use it good. Right now, if I were to spend the money for an upgrade, I'd rather spend it on a plug-in. Maybe BFD.
"nickm" <> wrote in message news:49858411$0$11937$... > > > lancelightning" <> wrote in message > news:... >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:35:58 +0000, Laurence Payne >> <> wrote: >> >>> >>>>I'm tryng to resist the upgrade though I fear I'll weaken very soon. I >>>>don't like missing out.......LL >>> >>>Times have changed. A few years ago this forum would have been >>>throbbing with anticipation followed by vicious criticism of a new >>>version. >> >> Aaaarrrrrrrrgh!! that's it...I can't stand it...time to get the >> wallet out again!! ho di bloody ho...off to Steinberg I go!! Mrs LL >> is not going to be at all amused..bread, lard and cooking sherry is >> all we can afford this month now!!....Here we go again!! It wouldn't >> be so bad but I just bought a new bass the other week...oh gawd!! From >> what I've read so far, the C5 upgrade could actually be a good >> move...I'll report back.... >> >> LL.. (now saving up for Windows7...this is an illness from which there >> is no returnl!!) >> > > Bread? Lard? COOKING SHERRY??? Luxury lad. Luxury. We 'ave a bowl of > warm gravel between us every other day....!! If we're lucky!!! and > it's been that way for the last fourteen years! > > Windows 7 isn't out for a few months at least, but the new Intel i7 CPU > based system you'll 'need' with triple channel memory access and > hyper-threading so the CPU appears to the OS as 8 virtual cores and 24GB > of DDR-3 RAM can be yours RIGHT NOW!!! ..... Sorry (oops!). Should I not > have mentioned that? LOL > > (seriously - C5 runs OK on my four year old 2GHz Centrino laptop which is > all I've had time to install it on so far - not saying it won't run out of > steam if I overdo things, but it runs fine so far, so pretty much any > reasonably specified recent system should also be good enough to run C5 > pretty well, and a Core 2 dual or quad core Intel system with 2GB + RAM > and XP/Vista should be reasonable as should a recent AMD based system - > and I'm sure we'll find out soon enough if and what the features are that > take a heavy toll on our systems) > > It's certainly an expensive treadmill this constant upgrading lark. Now > where is that Sound on Sound review of that i7 based Scan Power DAW PC? - > drool..... You gotta know that out there in the real world, someone is turning out BRILLIANT MASTERPIECES with nothing but a DX-7 and a Fostex 4-track.
> You gotta know that out there in the real world, someone is turning out > BRILLIANT MASTERPIECES with nothing but a DX-7 and a Fostex 4-track. Undoubtedly, but it's all so last century LOL
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:51:36 -0500, "mo lei tau SODDI" <> wrote: >You gotta know that out there in the real world, someone is turning out >BRILLIANT MASTERPIECES with nothing but a DX-7 and a Fostex 4-track. > All the Beatles' hits were made on 4 tracks, yes. But it's not all about brilliant, it's also about fun and hobby
