Hi, To get midi to function (record) properly, do I need anything more than midi in and midi out connections with this configuration? I noticed a midi connection on the back of the delta 1010 as well but don't know what to hook it to (if needed). Thanks, Jer --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:28:26 -0400, Jim <> wrote: >Hi, >To get midi to function (record) properly, do I need anything more >than midi in and midi out connections with this configuration? I >noticed a midi connection on the back of the delta 1010 as well but >don't know what to hook it to (if needed). >Thanks, >Jer > >--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- Sorry but I'm not sure that I fully understand your question. The midi connection on your Delta should work ok with Cubase. Connect a midi keyboard/controller and it will trigger any virtual instument (VSTi) or an external sound module if you have one or more. It will probably allow you to control loads of other Cubase functions too, depending on what facilities the keyboard has onboard LL
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:07:55 +0100, lancelightning <> wrote: >On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:28:26 -0400, Jim <> wrote: > >>Hi, >>To get midi to function (record) properly, do I need anything more >>than midi in and midi out connections with this configuration? I >>noticed a midi connection on the back of the delta 1010 as well but >>don't know what to hook it to (if needed). >>Thanks, >>Jer >> >>--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- > >Sorry but I'm not sure that I fully understand your question. The midi >connection on your Delta should work ok with Cubase. Connect a midi >keyboard/controller and it will trigger any virtual instument (VSTi) >or an external sound module if you have one or more. It will probably >allow you to control loads of other Cubase functions too, depending on >what facilities the keyboard has onboard > >LL Thanks for your response LL. I have it hooked up to my Korg Triton LE and can see and hear midi data I record into Cubase. The problem is I don't seem to have control of what sounds it's recording. I'll play and record an organ sound but when played back...I hear some random keyboard sound. Jer --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---
"Jim" <> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:... > On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:07:55 +0100, lancelightning <> wrote: > >>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:28:26 -0400, Jim <> wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>>To get midi to function (record) properly, do I need anything more >>>than midi in and midi out connections with this configuration? I >>>noticed a midi connection on the back of the delta 1010 as well but >>>don't know what to hook it to (if needed). >>>Thanks, >>>Jer >>> >>>--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- >> >>Sorry but I'm not sure that I fully understand your question. The midi >>connection on your Delta should work ok with Cubase. Connect a midi >>keyboard/controller and it will trigger any virtual instument (VSTi) >>or an external sound module if you have one or more. It will probably >>allow you to control loads of other Cubase functions too, depending on >>what facilities the keyboard has onboard >> >>LL > > Thanks for your response LL. > > I have it hooked up to my Korg Triton LE and can see and hear midi > data I record into Cubase. The problem is I don't seem to have control > of what sounds it's recording. I'll play and record an organ sound but > when played back...I hear some random keyboard sound. > Jer Typical misunderstanding: MIDI is ONLY "controller data", not sounds!!! Seems like, you urgently need a good reading an basics of (home) recording in general. ;-)
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:02:08 +0200, "Phil W" <> wrote: > > >"Jim" <> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >news:... >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:07:55 +0100, lancelightning <> wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:28:26 -0400, Jim <> wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>>To get midi to function (record) properly, do I need anything more >>>>than midi in and midi out connections with this configuration? I >>>>noticed a midi connection on the back of the delta 1010 as well but >>>>don't know what to hook it to (if needed). >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jer >>>> >>>>--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- >>> >>>Sorry but I'm not sure that I fully understand your question. The midi >>>connection on your Delta should work ok with Cubase. Connect a midi >>>keyboard/controller and it will trigger any virtual instument (VSTi) >>>or an external sound module if you have one or more. It will probably >>>allow you to control loads of other Cubase functions too, depending on >>>what facilities the keyboard has onboard >>> >>>LL >> >> Thanks for your response LL. >> >> I have it hooked up to my Korg Triton LE and can see and hear midi >> data I record into Cubase. The problem is I don't seem to have control >> of what sounds it's recording. I'll play and record an organ sound but >> when played back...I hear some random keyboard sound. >> Jer > >Typical misunderstanding: >MIDI is ONLY "controller data", not sounds!!! > >Seems like, you urgently need a good reading an basics of (home) recording >in general. ;-) Ok, let me rephrase...How can I get sounds in my Triton LE recorded into Cubase. Is there some sort of midi map I need for that particulat keyborad? Jer --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---
Jim: > On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:02:08 +0200, "Phil W" <> wrote: > >> >> >>"Jim" <> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >>news:... >>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:07:55 +0100, lancelightning <> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:28:26 -0400, Jim <> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi, >>>>>To get midi to function (record) properly, do I need anything more >>>>>than midi in and midi out connections with this configuration? I >>>>>noticed a midi connection on the back of the delta 1010 as well but >>>>>don't know what to hook it to (if needed). >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jer >>>>> >>>>>--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- >>>> >>>>Sorry but I'm not sure that I fully understand your question. The midi >>>>connection on your Delta should work ok with Cubase. Connect a midi >>>>keyboard/controller and it will trigger any virtual instument (VSTi) >>>>or an external sound module if you have one or more. It will probably >>>>allow you to control loads of other Cubase functions too, depending on >>>>what facilities the keyboard has onboard >>>> >>>>LL >>> >>> Thanks for your response LL. >>> >>> I have it hooked up to my Korg Triton LE and can see and hear midi >>> data I record into Cubase. The problem is I don't seem to have control >>> of what sounds it's recording. I'll play and record an organ sound but >>> when played back...I hear some random keyboard sound. >>> Jer >> >>Typical misunderstanding: >>MIDI is ONLY "controller data", not sounds!!! >> >>Seems like, you urgently need a good reading an basics of (home) recording >>in general. ;-) > > Ok, let me rephrase...How can I get sounds in my Triton LE recorded > into Cubase. Is there some sort of midi map I need for that particulat > keyborad? > Jer Okay, that´s the next step! ;-) I´m not a MIDI freak, so others might be better at answering this. But I´ll try it anyway... 1) select the sound patch in your Triton LE (or whatever external MIDI sound generator) to your choice 2) connect MIDI OUT of the computer´s audio interface to the Triton´s MIDI IN 3) connect the LINE OUT of the Triton to the LINE IN of the audio interface 4) in cubase: make a new Audio track (mono or stereo depends on your cabling situation, usually stereo for synths) and set the inputs according to the Line INs, where you connected the Triton 5) record ENABLE this audio track 6) play back the song in *real-time* sending MIDI notes to the Triton, while receiving it´s audio output into the audio interface/soundcard. that´s the whole deal.
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:02:45 -0400, Jim <> wrote: >On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:07:55 +0100, lancelightning <> wrote: > >>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:28:26 -0400, Jim <> wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>>To get midi to function (record) properly, do I need anything more >>>than midi in and midi out connections with this configuration? I >>>noticed a midi connection on the back of the delta 1010 as well but >>>don't know what to hook it to (if needed). >>>Thanks, >>>Jer >>> >>>--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- >> >>Sorry but I'm not sure that I fully understand your question. The midi >>connection on your Delta should work ok with Cubase. Connect a midi >>keyboard/controller and it will trigger any virtual instument (VSTi) >>or an external sound module if you have one or more. It will probably >>allow you to control loads of other Cubase functions too, depending on >>what facilities the keyboard has onboard >> >>LL > >Thanks for your response LL. > >I have it hooked up to my Korg Triton LE and can see and hear midi >data I record into Cubase. The problem is I don't seem to have control >of what sounds it's recording. I'll play and record an organ sound but >when played back...I hear some random keyboard sound. >Jer > >--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- As Phil has said, you're actually recording midi data and not the actual sounds. Likewise, I'm no midi whizz but, as I understand it, the trick is to get Cubase to return this data back to your Korg in a format which it can read and thus play back the correct voices. There are various 'maps' you can load in Cubase...possibly one for your Triton...You'd have to do your homework here. Its not really my thing as I use Vsti's and no outboard sound sources. I think I'm on the right lines but maybe one of the other guys here who know this stuff better than me can help make more sense of it for you.....LL
> >I think I'm on the right lines but maybe one of the other guys here >who know this stuff better than me can help make more sense of it for >you.....LL I just loaded up Cubase 5. Check out 'midi device manager'...there's 3 Korg Triton maps in there to choose from. I don't if these will sort your problem as I have never used a Triton, but I'd guess that this is the area to be looking........LL
"lancelightning": >>I think I'm on the right lines but maybe one of the other guys here >>who know this stuff better than me can help make more sense of it for >>you.....LL > > I just loaded up Cubase 5. Check out 'midi device manager'...there's 3 > Korg Triton maps in there to choose from. I don't if these will sort > your problem as I have never used a Triton, but I'd guess that this is > the area to be looking........LL And, if you find, one of these maps suits your needs and wishes, you´ll have to check out, how to send patch-changes (or something similar) with your MIDI events. Then, you can include the "correct" sound patch in the MIDI events and the Triton sets to those patches when starting playback in Cubase. Look up the Cubase manual, for how to do this! If I understood and remember it correctly, Cubase does not record MIDI patch numbers/banks by default. As I wrote before, what works usually, is to record MIDI without patches, then select the desired sound on the external MIDI sound generator (Triton LE in your case) and start playback, while recording the synths audio output to a (new) audio track. With this method, you can also record other sounds as audio, than the one, you actually used, when recording the MIDI notes. IF you want several different sounds from the Triton within one song, you have to repeat the whole procedure for each sound! Once, you have successfully captured the audio output from the Triton, you can mute the MIDI tracks and use the corresponding audio track(s) for mixing. Here are some links for further reading (besides the manual, of course ;-) ): http://www.laurencepayne.dsl.pipex.com/CubaseFAQ.htm since Laurence doesn´t seem to be active since a few months, here´s his Cubase FAQ http://www.cubasewiki.com/index.php?title=Cubase_FAQ just found it by searching the web. Also check out the rest of this page! seems quite helpful good luck, Phil
Op 24-8-2010 0:03, Phil W schreef: > And, if you find, one of these maps suits your needs and wishes, you´ll > have to check out, how to send patch-changes (or something similar) with > your MIDI events. Then, you can include the "correct" sound patch in the > MIDI events and the Triton sets to those patches when starting playback > in Cubase. > Look up the Cubase manual, for how to do this! > > If I understood and remember it correctly, Cubase does not record MIDI > patch numbers/banks by default. While I agree with all of this, it is even simpler, once you have loaded the correct MIDI map for your Triton. You create a MIDI track, and choose the appropriate sound in the left hand column. Then at playback, Cubase will send the right bank and patch select messages to the Triton. You don't need to touch the Triton at that point, and you don't need to manually insert patch or bank select messages. BTW the Triton is not unique in this, any external MIDI module works this way AFAIK. > As I wrote before, what works usually, is to record MIDI without > patches, then select the desired sound on the external MIDI sound > generator (Triton LE in your case) and start playback, while recording > the synths audio output to a (new) audio track. > With this method, you can also record other sounds as audio, than the > one, you actually used, when recording the MIDI notes. > > IF you want several different sounds from the Triton within one song, > you have to repeat the whole procedure for each sound! This will work, but to save you some time: you can build up to 16 tracks in Cubase (one for each MIDI channel), each set to a different Triton sound, all without changing the settings on the Triton. And you can of course record 16 separate audio tracks, but you can also just do a mix-down, mixing the audio channel pair from the Triton with other audio tracks in one go. (Mixdown must be set to "Real-time" for this to work). > Once, you have successfully captured the audio output from the Triton, > you can mute the MIDI tracks and use the corresponding audio track(s) > for mixing. > > > Here are some links for further reading (besides the manual, of course > ;-) ): > > http://www.laurencepayne.dsl.pipex.com/CubaseFAQ.htm > since Laurence doesn´t seem to be active since a few months, here´s his > Cubase FAQ > > http://www.cubasewiki.com/index.php?title=Cubase_FAQ > just found it by searching the web. Also check out the rest of this > page! seems quite helpful Jos. -- Ardis Park Music www.ardispark.nl
Thanks for all your advice and insight on this guys, I really appreciate the time you took to answer this for me. I'll try all these out and will post back when / if I get this figured out. Jim On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:59:42 +0200, Jos Geluk <> wrote: >Op 24-8-2010 0:03, Phil W schreef: > >> And, if you find, one of these maps suits your needs and wishes, you´ll >> have to check out, how to send patch-changes (or something similar) with >> your MIDI events. Then, you can include the "correct" sound patch in the >> MIDI events and the Triton sets to those patches when starting playback >> in Cubase. >> Look up the Cubase manual, for how to do this! >> >> If I understood and remember it correctly, Cubase does not record MIDI >> patch numbers/banks by default. > >While I agree with all of this, it is even simpler, once you have loaded >the correct MIDI map for your Triton. You create a MIDI track, and >choose the appropriate sound in the left hand column. Then at playback, >Cubase will send the right bank and patch select messages to the Triton. >You don't need to touch the Triton at that point, and you don't need to >manually insert patch or bank select messages. BTW the Triton is not >unique in this, any external MIDI module works this way AFAIK. > >> As I wrote before, what works usually, is to record MIDI without >> patches, then select the desired sound on the external MIDI sound >> generator (Triton LE in your case) and start playback, while recording >> the synths audio output to a (new) audio track. >> With this method, you can also record other sounds as audio, than the >> one, you actually used, when recording the MIDI notes. >> >> IF you want several different sounds from the Triton within one song, >> you have to repeat the whole procedure for each sound! > >This will work, but to save you some time: you can build up to 16 tracks >in Cubase (one for each MIDI channel), each set to a different Triton >sound, all without changing the settings on the Triton. >And you can of course record 16 separate audio tracks, but you can also >just do a mix-down, mixing the audio channel pair from the Triton with >other audio tracks in one go. (Mixdown must be set to "Real-time" for >this to work). > >> Once, you have successfully captured the audio output from the Triton, >> you can mute the MIDI tracks and use the corresponding audio track(s) >> for mixing. >> >> >> Here are some links for further reading (besides the manual, of course >> ;-) ): >> >> http://www.laurencepayne.dsl.pipex.com/CubaseFAQ.htm >> since Laurence doesn´t seem to be active since a few months, here´s his >> Cubase FAQ >> >> http://www.cubasewiki.com/index.php?title=Cubase_FAQ >> just found it by searching the web. Also check out the rest of this >> page! seems quite helpful > >Jos. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---
