Hi, I'm Matthias. My problem is about recording in Cubase SL 2.0. I've got a synthesizer (Korg Triton LE) linked with my pc via an Edirol Midi Interface. My pc is a Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz, so a powerful machine. My soundcard is a C-Media AC 97 Audio Device. This soundcard was integrated in my pc from the time I bought it. Because my pc is still very new, I've got the latest drivers for this soundcard. Now the problem is, when I want something to be recorded from my synthesizer to my pc, I've got a certain latencyproblem which causes that not only the notes are displayed later than they are played, but also that the first notes after activating the recordingmode are never recorded. This is a problem I also have with the synchronizer. To make myself clear: First I display the synchronizer and I check that all the inputs and the options (and also those on my synthesizer) are activated correctly, etcetera… I activate the synchronizing mode and the recording starts; the notes are displayed a few moments after you start recording (latency), but the first notes which are played, aren't recorded. What can I do to prevent this latency and have the first notes recorded? Does it help to have a new, non-integrated, more expensive soundcard? Any help is very welcome. You may always send to the following address: Greetings and thanks a lot, Matthias ;-).
On 12 May 2004 06:30:40 -0700, (Matthias Cl) wrote: >Hi, I'm Matthias. Hi Matthias, See reply at bottom. >My problem is about recording in Cubase SL 2.0. > >I've got a synthesizer (Korg Triton LE) linked with my pc via an >Edirol Midi Interface. >My pc is a Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz, so a powerful machine. >My soundcard is a C-Media AC 97 Audio Device. >This soundcard was integrated in my pc from the time I bought it. >Because my pc is still very new, I've got the latest drivers for this >soundcard. >Now the problem is, when I want something to be recorded from my >synthesizer to my pc, I've got a certain latencyproblem which causes >that not only the notes are displayed later than they are played, but >also that the first notes after activating the recordingmode are never >recorded. >This is a problem I also have with the synchronizer. >To make myself clear: First I display the synchronizer and I check >that all the inputs and the options (and also those on my synthesizer) >are activated correctly, etcetera… >I activate the synchronizing mode and the recording starts; the notes >are displayed a few moments after you start recording (latency), but >the first notes which are played, aren't recorded. >What can I do to prevent this latency and have the first notes >recorded? >Does it help to have a new, non-integrated, more expensive soundcard? First of all, the answer is Yes. The internal audio cards are really inexpensive devices used for general audio, CD/DVD playback...etc. The drivers are not usually up to snuff. However... the internal audio may in fact not be completely to blame. There's a known problem using (emulated) MIDI ports. Do not use the emulated ports. CubaseSL should have some "release notes" in the root folder. Look for the section on "ignoreportfilter" or "MIDIPortFilter". After moving the "ignoreportfilter" file to the Cubase root directory, do the following: Under Devices/Device Setup is a menu for "Direct Music" or "DirectX", Go there and select "NO" for all of the ports you should not be left with any emulated ports. Also... do not select "All MIDI Inputs". Go through, or use Ctrl/Selct to set each track's input port to the actual MIDI input you are using. As for syncing.... and missing notes, part of the prolem may be the emulated ports so try that fix first. Usually the recording device is designated as "sync" master. Cubase does send MIDI clock so set it up as the master clock source. The synth should follow Cubase. Ap > >Any help is very welcome. > >You may always send to the following address: > > > >Greetings and thanks a lot, > >Matthias ;-).
(Aphelion) wrote in message news:<>... > On 12 May 2004 06:30:40 -0700, (Matthias Cl) > wrote: > Thank you very much for your help, I'll try it out as soon as possible !!! > Matthias > >Hi, I'm Matthias. > > Hi Matthias, > > See reply at bottom. > > >My problem is about recording in Cubase SL 2.0. > > > >I've got a synthesizer (Korg Triton LE) linked with my pc via an > >Edirol Midi Interface. > >My pc is a Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz, so a powerful machine. > >My soundcard is a C-Media AC 97 Audio Device. > >This soundcard was integrated in my pc from the time I bought it. > >Because my pc is still very new, I've got the latest drivers for this > >soundcard. > >Now the problem is, when I want something to be recorded from my > >synthesizer to my pc, I've got a certain latencyproblem which causes > >that not only the notes are displayed later than they are played, but > >also that the first notes after activating the recordingmode are never > >recorded. > >This is a problem I also have with the synchronizer. > >To make myself clear: First I display the synchronizer and I check > >that all the inputs and the options (and also those on my synthesizer) > >are activated correctly, etcetera? > >I activate the synchronizing mode and the recording starts; the notes > >are displayed a few moments after you start recording (latency), but > >the first notes which are played, aren't recorded. > >What can I do to prevent this latency and have the first notes > >recorded? > >Does it help to have a new, non-integrated, more expensive soundcard? > > First of all, the answer is Yes. The internal audio cards are really > inexpensive devices used for general audio, CD/DVD playback...etc. The > drivers are not usually up to snuff. > > However... the internal audio may in fact not be completely to blame. > > There's a known problem using (emulated) MIDI ports. > Do not use the emulated ports. > CubaseSL should have some "release notes" in the root folder. > Look for the section on "ignoreportfilter" or "MIDIPortFilter". > After moving the "ignoreportfilter" file to the Cubase root directory, > do the following: > > Under Devices/Device Setup is a menu for "Direct Music" or "DirectX", > Go there and select "NO" for all of the ports you should not be left > with any emulated ports. Also... do not select "All MIDI Inputs". Go > through, or use Ctrl/Selct to set each track's input port to the > actual MIDI input you are using. > > As for syncing.... and missing notes, part of the prolem may be the > emulated ports so try that fix first. > > Usually the recording device is designated as "sync" master. Cubase > does send MIDI clock so set it up as the master clock source. The > synth should follow Cubase. > > Ap > > > > > > > >Any help is very welcome. > > > >You may always send to the following address: > > > > > > > >Greetings and thanks a lot, > > > >Matthias ;-). >
(Matthias Cl) wrote in message news:<>... > You say not to use emulated MIDI ports but, what do I have to use instead of it? Greetings, Matthias. Hi, I'm Matthias. > > My problem is about recording in Cubase SL 2.0. > > I've got a synthesizer (Korg Triton LE) linked with my pc via an > Edirol Midi Interface. > My pc is a Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz, so a powerful machine. > My soundcard is a C-Media AC 97 Audio Device. > This soundcard was integrated in my pc from the time I bought it. > Because my pc is still very new, I've got the latest drivers for this > soundcard. > Now the problem is, when I want something to be recorded from my > synthesizer to my pc, I've got a certain latencyproblem which causes > that not only the notes are displayed later than they are played, but > also that the first notes after activating the recordingmode are never > recorded. > This is a problem I also have with the synchronizer. > To make myself clear: First I display the synchronizer and I check > that all the inputs and the options (and also those on my synthesizer) > are activated correctly, etcetera? > I activate the synchronizing mode and the recording starts; the notes > are displayed a few moments after you start recording (latency), but > the first notes which are played, aren't recorded. > What can I do to prevent this latency and have the first notes > recorded? > Does it help to have a new, non-integrated, more expensive soundcard? > > Any help is very welcome. > > You may always send to the following address: > > > > Greetings and thanks a lot, > > Matthias ;-).
On 13 May 2004 09:03:16 -0700, (Matthias Cl) wrote: > (Matthias Cl) wrote in message news:<>... >> You say not to use emulated MIDI ports but, what do I have to use instead of it? Ports that do not have (emulated) after the name. Ap
"Aphelion" <> wrote in message news:... > On 13 May 2004 09:03:16 -0700, (Matthias Cl) > wrote: > > > (Matthias Cl) wrote in message news:<>... > >> You say not to use emulated MIDI ports but, what do I have to use instead of it? > > Ports that do not have (emulated) after the name. > > Ap With my SB Vibra card, using anything BUT the (emulated) port produces either no sound or a very long delay. In other words, the (emulated) midi port is the only one that works right. What do you make of that? Bad driver for the SB? But why does the DirectMusic (emulated) midi port work? Also, as I understand it, you can prevent any midi ports you choose from showing up in any Cubase menus by setting the "Show" column to "No" in Device Setup. So what does the ignoreportfilter file achieve that you can't do in Device Setup?
On Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:28 +1000, "iCon" <> wrote: > >"Aphelion" <> wrote in message >news:... >> On 13 May 2004 09:03:16 -0700, (Matthias Cl) >> wrote: >> >> > (Matthias Cl) wrote in message >news:<>... >> >> You say not to use emulated MIDI ports but, what do I have to use >instead of it? >> >> Ports that do not have (emulated) after the name. >> >> Ap > >With my SB Vibra card, using anything BUT the (emulated) port produces >either no sound or a very long delay. In other words, the (emulated) midi >port is the only one that works right. What do you make of that? Bad driver >for the SB? But why does the DirectMusic (emulated) midi port work? I know this is true for a few audio systems, almost always motherboard systems or AC97 compliant audio cards. It can also be that the system or Cubase has detected the port incorrectly. >Also, as I understand it, you can prevent any midi ports you choose from >showing up in any Cubase menus by setting the "Show" column to "No" in >Device Setup. So what does the ignoreportfilter file achieve that you can't >do in Device Setup? Most often, using emulated ports causes MIDI sync problems and/or delays, or even notes that appear early. This is from the MIDI port filter text file, should be in your application root directory. ============================================ MIDI port filter - Important note regarding MIDI Interfaces Cubase SX / SL version 1.02 or higher has a function to filter out redundant MIDI ports provided by the MIDI interface driver. For instance if the MIDI interface driver installs both Windows MIDI ports and DirectMusic ports, these ports used to both show up in former Cubase SX / SL versions. Since DirectMusic mirrors the Windows MIDI ports as "emulated" DirectMusic ports by itself, it was possible that the MIDI ports showed up even 3 times in the MIDI device list in Cubase SX / SL. These multiple appearances of the MIDI ports were actually "multiple versions" of the same physical MIDI port. To avoid this, Cubase SX / SL 1.02 and higher provides an option to remove these redundant entries utilizing the MIDI port filter. However, in some cases the non-filtered, left over MIDI ports that will show up in the MIDI device list of Cubase SX / SL can be the ones that actually do not work as the MIDI interface driver doesn't support the DirectMusic architecture as Cubase SX / SL would expect. These cases were for example found with the following MIDI Interfaces: - MIDIMAN MIDIsport 8x8 - MOTU MIDITimepieceAV In this case, you can re-enable the filtered MIDI ports by proceeding as follows: - Browse to the Cubase SX / SL application folder (usually C:\programs\steinberg\cubasesx) and locate the folder "MIDI Port Enabler" - Open this folder - Pick the file "ignoreportfilter" and move it into the Cubase SX / SL application folder (one directory up) - Start Cubase SX / SL Now all available MIDI ports provided by the MIDI interface driver will appear in the MIDI device list of Cubase SX / SL. Please be aware that the MIDI ports now can show up 2 or 3 times in the list. If you're used to manage your MIDI IN by setting "All MIDI Inputs" in the MIDI IN selector, you should go to the Device Setup/All MIDI Inputs and disable the unwanted ports. Otherwise you will record MIDI from multiple ports which results in double MIDI notes. Your Steinberg Team ========================================================
"Aphelion" <> wrote in message news:... > On Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:28 +1000, "iCon" <> wrote: > >With my SB Vibra card, using anything BUT the (emulated) port produces > >either no sound or a very long delay. In other words, the (emulated) midi > >port is the only one that works right. What do you make of that? Bad driver > >for the SB? But why does the DirectMusic (emulated) midi port work? > > I know this is true for a few audio systems, almost always motherboard > systems or AC97 compliant audio cards. It can also be that the system > or Cubase has detected the port incorrectly. > > >Also, as I understand it, you can prevent any midi ports you choose from > >showing up in any Cubase menus by setting the "Show" column to "No" in > >Device Setup. So what does the ignoreportfilter file achieve that you can't > >do in Device Setup? > > > Most often, using emulated ports causes MIDI sync problems and/or > delays, or even notes that appear early. > So if you enable all the midi ports with the ignoreportfilter file, then disable the ones you don't want in Device Setup so they can't be used, you get the same result. Right? Or are they "more" disabled when the ignoreportfilter file does it?
On Fri, 14 May 2004 11:30:53 +1000, "iCon" <> wrote: > >"Aphelion" <> wrote in message >news:... >> On Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:28 +1000, "iCon" <> wrote: > >> >With my SB Vibra card, using anything BUT the (emulated) port produces >> >either no sound or a very long delay. In other words, the (emulated) midi >> >port is the only one that works right. What do you make of that? Bad >driver >> >for the SB? But why does the DirectMusic (emulated) midi port work? >> >> I know this is true for a few audio systems, almost always motherboard >> systems or AC97 compliant audio cards. It can also be that the system >> or Cubase has detected the port incorrectly. >> >> >Also, as I understand it, you can prevent any midi ports you choose from >> >showing up in any Cubase menus by setting the "Show" column to "No" in >> >Device Setup. So what does the ignoreportfilter file achieve that you >can't >> >do in Device Setup? >> >> >> Most often, using emulated ports causes MIDI sync problems and/or >> delays, or even notes that appear early. >> > >So if you enable all the midi ports with the ignoreportfilter file, then >disable the ones you don't want in Device Setup so they can't be used, you >get the same result. Right? Or are they "more" disabled when the >ignoreportfilter file does it? I think it depends on what type of MIDI ports the driver installs. There are at least two types and not all show up unless the "ignoreportfilter" file is moved to the root application directory. On my system I could only see the DirectMusic (emulated) ports, the standard Windows MIDI ports were not visible until the ignoreportfilter file was in place. It's possible that AC97 codec type audio systems only install DirectMusic MIDI drivers. In this case, they would not be emulated. It's confusing because the manufacturer has the choice of what kind of drivers to use. Motherboard audio/MIDI systems and inexpensive game cards may only support DirectMusic and not install standard Windows MIDI ports. Ap
(Aphelion) wrote in message news:<>... > On Fri, 14 May 2004 11:30:53 +1000, "iCon" <> wrote: > > > > >"Aphelion" <> wrote in message > >news:... > >> On Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:28 +1000, "iCon" <> wrote: > > >> >With my SB Vibra card, using anything BUT the (emulated) port produces > >> >either no sound or a very long delay. In other words, the (emulated) midi > >> >port is the only one that works right. What do you make of that? Bad > driver > >> >for the SB? But why does the DirectMusic (emulated) midi port work? > >> > >> I know this is true for a few audio systems, almost always motherboard > >> systems or AC97 compliant audio cards. It can also be that the system > >> or Cubase has detected the port incorrectly. > >> > >> >Also, as I understand it, you can prevent any midi ports you choose from > >> >showing up in any Cubase menus by setting the "Show" column to "No" in > >> >Device Setup. So what does the ignoreportfilter file achieve that you > can't > >> >do in Device Setup? > >> > >> > >> Most often, using emulated ports causes MIDI sync problems and/or > >> delays, or even notes that appear early. > >> > > > >So if you enable all the midi ports with the ignoreportfilter file, then > >disable the ones you don't want in Device Setup so they can't be used, you > >get the same result. Right? Or are they "more" disabled when the > >ignoreportfilter file does it? > > I think it depends on what type of MIDI ports the driver installs. > There are at least two types and not all show up unless the > "ignoreportfilter" file is moved to the root application directory. > > On my system I could only see the DirectMusic (emulated) ports, the > standard Windows MIDI ports were not visible until the > ignoreportfilter file was in place. > > It's possible that AC97 codec type audio systems only install > DirectMusic MIDI drivers. In this case, they would not be emulated. > > It's confusing because the manufacturer has the choice of what kind of > drivers to use. Motherboard audio/MIDI systems and inexpensive game > cards may only support DirectMusic and not install standard Windows > MIDI ports. > > Ap > I saw yesterdag on the site of staudio.com the soundcard DSP 24 Value. As I can see on the image I think it would be possible with this soundcard to link my synthesizer with it without have to use another linking part, like the emulated MIDI port. If I would have this port, so I don't have to use the emulated port and I also would have a soundcard which is much better than the actual one, could I solve the problems of the soundcard and the emulated MIDI port solve at once by buying this DSP 24 Value soundcard? Greetings, Matthias.
