I am trying to figure out the easiest way to have two foot - triggered MIDI drum components setup for one-man-band style live performances. Both of these would have to be controlled by foot. The first component would be a bass drum, and the second one would either be a ride cymbal or tambourine. I am looking for suggestions on how to set this up. I am interested in controlling these live, not having them prerecorded or pre-sequenced. Would something like Roland TD-3 (Percussion Sound Module) with FD-8 (hi-hat controller) and KD-8 (kick trigger) + (standard bass drum pedal) work for this purpose. Would FD-8 be able to trigger cymbal samples using TD-3 alone, without having an actual MIDI cymbal component attached? In other words, would TD-3, FD-8, KD-8 and drum pedal be sufficient for this purpose? I'm not drummer, which, I'm sure, is already obvious, so my intention is to use this very modestly. Overall, I am interested in as simple setup as possible. Could anyone recommend any other inexpensive alternatives for such setup? Any other velocity sensitive MIDI foot pedals where I could use other MIDI synth modules -- other than TD-3 without getting Roland's converter? Although acoustic a setup would not be my preference, I would also be interested to find out if there is any way to setup a ride cymbal to be triggered by foot (hi-hat would not work for me because I need that sustained sound that only cymbal produces). I am aware of the foot pedal bracket, which could be used for tambourine, but nothing of the kind for cymbal. I understand that this is partly due to the idiosyncracies associated with cymbal playing, but I was wondering if there were any ways to set this up, even if these were not the most sophisticated ones . Thanks, Rale
"Rale" <> wrote in message news:T9SDf.85970$-kc.rr.com... >The first component would be a bass drum Interesting topic. I've also been thinking about the very same thing, both for when I use a second player who plays percussion and also for myself solo, so that I can use a small pedal to fire off a kick sample or two. I'd like to be able to avoid buying any specific digital drum hardware for this, rather a simple footswitch that can access my XV-2020 via midi. By the sound of it and if you make it all happen, you'll be a little like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins.
na wrote: >"Rale" <> wrote in message >news:T9SDf.85970$-kc.rr.com... >>The first component would be a bass drum > >Interesting topic. I've also been thinking about the very same thing, both >for when I use a second player who plays percussion and also for myself >solo, so that I can use a small pedal to fire off a kick sample or two. I'd >like to be able to avoid buying any specific digital drum hardware for this, >rather a simple footswitch that can access my XV-2020 via midi. I have designed a switch closures to MIDI notes encoder that you might find useful. It uses my Generic MIDI I/O Board, an 8051 microprocessor-based circuit that provides MIDI IN, OUT, and THRU ports, a 4-position dipswitch and 24 swtich closure inputs. Check it out at: http://home.comcast.net/~mrkesti/stuff/swnotes/ Contact me via email (Be sure to correct my anti-spam fail-mail reply using the information in my sig.) for more information. >By the sound of it and if you make it all happen, you'll be a little like >Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins. ;-) -- ======================================================================== Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make | two, one and one make one." mrkesti at comcast dot net | - The Who, Bargain
You could play kick dum and snare by moving your foot between two pedals or by using a split-velocity patch that plays kick 64-127 and snare 0-63 and play hihat/cymbal the same way. Then get a VG-88 and play bass on the lower 2 strings and guitar on the high 4 I actually use this for playing some background songs JimR "Rale" <> skrev i en meddelelse news:T9SDf.85970$-kc.rr.com... > > I am trying to figure out the easiest way to have two foot - triggered MIDI > drum components setup for one-man-band style live performances. Both of > these would have to be controlled by foot. The first component would be a > bass drum, and the second one would either be a ride cymbal or tambourine. I > am looking for suggestions on how to set this up. I am interested in > controlling these live, not having them prerecorded or pre-sequenced. > > Would something like Roland TD-3 (Percussion Sound Module) with FD-8 (hi-hat > controller) and KD-8 (kick trigger) + (standard bass drum pedal) work for > this purpose. Would FD-8 be able to trigger cymbal samples using TD-3 alone, > without having an actual MIDI cymbal component attached? In other words, > would TD-3, FD-8, KD-8 and drum pedal be sufficient for this purpose? I'm > not drummer, which, I'm sure, is already obvious, so my intention is to use > this very modestly. > > Overall, I am interested in as simple setup as possible. > > Could anyone recommend any other inexpensive alternatives for such setup? > Any other velocity sensitive MIDI foot pedals where I could use other MIDI > synth modules -- other than TD-3 without getting Roland's converter? > > Although acoustic a setup would not be my preference, I would also be > interested to find out if there is any way to setup a ride cymbal to be > triggered by foot (hi-hat would not work for me because I need that > sustained sound that only cymbal produces). I am aware of the foot pedal > bracket, which could be used for tambourine, but nothing of the kind for > cymbal. I understand that this is partly due to the idiosyncracies > associated with cymbal playing, but I was wondering if there were any ways > to set this up, even if these were not the most sophisticated ones . > > Thanks, > Rale > >
Simplest way? One possibility is to get something like a Yamaha DD55 and just put the midi out to the Roland module. Comes with two foot pedals assignable to any sound, and any of the pads can be assigned to any sound . SR "Rale" <> wrote in message news:T9SDf.85970$-kc.rr.com... > > I am trying to figure out the easiest way to have two foot - triggered MIDI > drum components setup for one-man-band style live performances. Both of > these would have to be controlled by foot. The first component would be a > bass drum, and the second one would either be a ride cymbal or tambourine. I > am looking for suggestions on how to set this up. I am interested in > controlling these live, not having them prerecorded or pre-sequenced. > > Would something like Roland TD-3 (Percussion Sound Module) with FD-8 (hi-hat > controller) and KD-8 (kick trigger) + (standard bass drum pedal) work for > this purpose. Would FD-8 be able to trigger cymbal samples using TD-3 alone, > without having an actual MIDI cymbal component attached? In other words, > would TD-3, FD-8, KD-8 and drum pedal be sufficient for this purpose? I'm > not drummer, which, I'm sure, is already obvious, so my intention is to use > this very modestly. > > Overall, I am interested in as simple setup as possible. > > Could anyone recommend any other inexpensive alternatives for such setup? > Any other velocity sensitive MIDI foot pedals where I could use other MIDI > synth modules -- other than TD-3 without getting Roland's converter? > > Although acoustic a setup would not be my preference, I would also be > interested to find out if there is any way to setup a ride cymbal to be > triggered by foot (hi-hat would not work for me because I need that > sustained sound that only cymbal produces). I am aware of the foot pedal > bracket, which could be used for tambourine, but nothing of the kind for > cymbal. I understand that this is partly due to the idiosyncracies > associated with cymbal playing, but I was wondering if there were any ways > to set this up, even if these were not the most sophisticated ones . > > Thanks, > Rale > >
The Alesis DM5 (and possibly older DM4) have trigger inputs that have sensitivity settings. Any commercial drum trigger works with it, and I'm sure after looking at a basic trigger, you could probably make your own that velcro's to a body part. I'm sure that there's not much to a trigger. You could also look at floor mounted footswitches using common momentary electronics switches, but then you have to balance on one foot to reach the sw. Either way a small inexpensive momentary sw is probably the way to go, hooked to a device that can accept triggers. Good luck. JL "Rale" <> wrote in message news:T9SDf.85970$-kc.rr.com... > > I am trying to figure out the easiest way to have two foot - triggered > MIDI drum components setup for one-man-band style live performances. Both > of these would have to be controlled by foot. The first component would be > a bass drum, and the second one would either be a ride cymbal or > tambourine. I am looking for suggestions on how to set this up. I am > interested in controlling these live, not having them prerecorded or > pre-sequenced. > > Would something like Roland TD-3 (Percussion Sound Module) with FD-8 > (hi-hat controller) and KD-8 (kick trigger) + (standard bass drum pedal) > work for this purpose. Would FD-8 be able to trigger cymbal samples using > TD-3 alone, without having an actual MIDI cymbal component attached? In > other words, would TD-3, FD-8, KD-8 and drum pedal be sufficient for this > purpose? I'm not drummer, which, I'm sure, is already obvious, so my > intention is to use this very modestly. > > Overall, I am interested in as simple setup as possible. > > Could anyone recommend any other inexpensive alternatives for such setup? > Any other velocity sensitive MIDI foot pedals where I could use other MIDI > synth modules -- other than TD-3 without getting Roland's converter? > > Although acoustic a setup would not be my preference, I would also be > interested to find out if there is any way to setup a ride cymbal to be > triggered by foot (hi-hat would not work for me because I need that > sustained sound that only cymbal produces). I am aware of the foot pedal > bracket, which could be used for tambourine, but nothing of the kind for > cymbal. I understand that this is partly due to the idiosyncracies > associated with cymbal playing, but I was wondering if there were any ways > to set this up, even if these were not the most sophisticated ones . > > Thanks, > Rale >
Joe L wrote: >The Alesis DM5 (and possibly older DM4) have trigger inputs that have >sensitivity settings. The older unit's model designatin is "D4" and they both provide 12 trigger inputs. > Any commercial drum trigger works with it, and I'm >sure after looking at a basic trigger, you could probably make your own that >velcro's to a body part. I'm sure that there's not much to a trigger. A very effective trigger can be constructed using elements from piezo buzzers such as the Radio Shack 273-059. > You >could also look at floor mounted footswitches using common momentary >electronics switches, but then you have to balance on one foot to reach the >sw. Either way a small inexpensive momentary sw is probably the way to go, >hooked to a device that can accept triggers. Good luck. I don't think that the D4 and DM5 trigger from simple switch closures and they, instead, require AC voltage such as line level audio or the piezo elements. -- ======================================================================== Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make | two, one and one make one." mrkesti at comcast dot net | - The Who, Bargain
A lot of great suggestions! My problem with making triggers myself, however, is that I don't have any knowledge in electronics, This is why I would probably do best to try to use already-made triggers. I do realize, however, that some of those self-made alternatives would do the job and that they would be quite inexpensive. I looked at the device Huey suggested (Roland Handsonic 10) and that seemed like an interesting device. As its name implies it is not exactly intended to be played withou hand use, but as I was watching the promotional video I noticed that the guy performing the demo was using Boss FS-5U footswitch. On Boss' web site , FS-5U was described as a momentary unlatch type footswitch, which engages a function while you hold down the switch, and I was wondering if this was what Joe was suggesting earlier, i.e.whether this pedal could be used as a trigger. If it could, would it only provide a single velocity level? Does anyone by any chance know whether Roland's D-Beam respond to any movement other than hand movement. In other words, if guitar neck was moved through the D-beam field, would the device register that and trigger a sound? Again, a question that makes it clear that I don't have much knowledge in electronics, but that's the way it is. I was also looking at Roland PK-5, which is velocity sensitive, foot-operated MIDI pedal, but it is quite pricey ($500). Any other inexpensive, already-made, pedals/fotswitches which could function as triggers when plugged into Roland modules (modules like Handsonic and TD-3)? I understand that it could be ether a MIDI or a trigger type of device. Also, does anyone know whether a device such as Handsonic or TD-3 allows for simultaneous use of MIDI and trigger inputs. In other words, if you plugged in something like Roland PK-5 MIDI conttroller pedal and Roland KD-8 trigger pad into TD-3 or Handsonic, woudl you be able to use them both at the same time? I have an older and not so good Yamaha module and I will probably end up getting one of the Roland drum modules (TD-3, Handsonic or similar) or something of the kind. I was wondering if these modules would work with trigger pads/triggers other than Roland-made ones.. Thanks to all of you who responded to my posting. Rale "Michael R. Kesti" <> wrote in message news:... > Joe L wrote: > >>The Alesis DM5 (and possibly older DM4) have trigger inputs that have >>sensitivity settings. > > The older unit's model designatin is "D4" and they both provide 12 trigger > inputs. > >> Any commercial drum trigger works with it, and I'm >>sure after looking at a basic trigger, you could probably make your own >>that >>velcro's to a body part. I'm sure that there's not much to a trigger. > > A very effective trigger can be constructed using elements from piezo > buzzers such as the Radio Shack 273-059. > >> >> You >>could also look at floor mounted footswitches using common momentary >>electronics switches, but then you have to balance on one foot to reach >>the >>sw. Either way a small inexpensive momentary sw is probably the way to go, >>hooked to a device that can accept triggers. Good luck. > > I don't think that the D4 and DM5 trigger from simple switch closures and > they, instead, require AC voltage such as line level audio or the piezo > elements. > > -- > ======================================================================== > Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make > | two, one and one make one." > mrkesti at comcast dot net | - The Who, Bargain
This is something I had saved a while back and never got around to looking at it. http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/04/diy_midi_drum_p.html leo "Rale" <> wrote in message news:I7dEf.87494$-kc.rr.com... > A lot of great suggestions! My problem with making triggers myself, however, > is that I don't have any knowledge in electronics, This is why I would > probably do best to try to use already-made triggers. I do realize, however, > that some of those self-made alternatives would do the job and that they > would be quite inexpensive. > > I looked at the device Huey suggested (Roland Handsonic 10) and that seemed > like an interesting device. As its name implies it is not exactly intended > to be played withou hand use, but as I was watching the promotional video I > noticed that the guy performing the demo was using Boss FS-5U footswitch. On > Boss' web site , FS-5U was described as a momentary unlatch type footswitch, > which engages a function while you hold down the switch, and I was wondering > if this was what Joe was suggesting earlier, i.e.whether this pedal could be > used as a trigger. If it could, would it only provide a single velocity > level? > > Does anyone by any chance know whether Roland's D-Beam respond to any > movement other than hand movement. In other words, if guitar neck was moved > through the D-beam field, would the device register that and trigger a > sound? Again, a question that makes it clear that I don't have much > knowledge in electronics, but that's the way it is. > > I was also looking at Roland PK-5, which is velocity sensitive, > foot-operated MIDI pedal, but it is quite pricey ($500). Any other > inexpensive, already-made, pedals/fotswitches which could function as > triggers when plugged into Roland modules (modules like Handsonic and TD-3)? > I understand that it could be ether a MIDI or a trigger type of device. > > Also, does anyone know whether a device such as Handsonic or TD-3 allows for > simultaneous use of MIDI and trigger inputs. In other words, if you plugged > in something like Roland PK-5 MIDI conttroller pedal and Roland KD-8 > trigger pad into TD-3 or Handsonic, woudl you be able to use them both at > the same time? > > I have an older and not so good Yamaha module and I will probably end up > getting one of the Roland drum modules (TD-3, Handsonic or similar) or > something of the kind. I was wondering if these modules would work with > trigger pads/triggers other than Roland-made ones.. > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my posting. > Rale > > "Michael R. Kesti" <> wrote in message > news:... > > Joe L wrote: > > > >>The Alesis DM5 (and possibly older DM4) have trigger inputs that have > >>sensitivity settings. > > > > The older unit's model designatin is "D4" and they both provide 12 trigger > > inputs. > > > >> Any commercial drum trigger works with it, and I'm > >>sure after looking at a basic trigger, you could probably make your own > >>that > >>velcro's to a body part. I'm sure that there's not much to a trigger. > > > > A very effective trigger can be constructed using elements from piezo > > buzzers such as the Radio Shack 273-059. > > > >> > >> You > >>could also look at floor mounted footswitches using common momentary > >>electronics switches, but then you have to balance on one foot to reach > >>the > >>sw. Either way a small inexpensive momentary sw is probably the way to go, > >>hooked to a device that can accept triggers. Good luck. > > > > I don't think that the D4 and DM5 trigger from simple switch closures and > > they, instead, require AC voltage such as line level audio or the piezo > > elements. > > > > -- > > ======================================================================== > > Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make > > | two, one and one make one." > > mrkesti at comcast dot net | - The Who, Bargain > >
you could always find an old "OCTOPAD" by Roland... small, decent sounds etc... kk "JimR" <> wrote in message news:drqki3$ee9$... > You could play kick dum and snare by moving your foot between two pedals > or > by using a split-velocity patch that plays kick 64-127 and snare 0-63 and > play hihat/cymbal the same way. > > Then get a VG-88 and play bass on the lower 2 strings and guitar on the > high > 4 I actually use this for playing some background songs > > JimR > > "Rale" <> skrev i en meddelelse > news:T9SDf.85970$-kc.rr.com... >> >> I am trying to figure out the easiest way to have two foot - triggered > MIDI >> drum components setup for one-man-band style live performances. Both of >> these would have to be controlled by foot. The first component would be a >> bass drum, and the second one would either be a ride cymbal or >> tambourine. > I >> am looking for suggestions on how to set this up. I am interested in >> controlling these live, not having them prerecorded or pre-sequenced. >> >> Would something like Roland TD-3 (Percussion Sound Module) with FD-8 > (hi-hat >> controller) and KD-8 (kick trigger) + (standard bass drum pedal) work for >> this purpose. Would FD-8 be able to trigger cymbal samples using TD-3 > alone, >> without having an actual MIDI cymbal component attached? In other words, >> would TD-3, FD-8, KD-8 and drum pedal be sufficient for this purpose? >> I'm >> not drummer, which, I'm sure, is already obvious, so my intention is to > use >> this very modestly. >> >> Overall, I am interested in as simple setup as possible. >> >> Could anyone recommend any other inexpensive alternatives for such setup? >> Any other velocity sensitive MIDI foot pedals where I could use other >> MIDI >> synth modules -- other than TD-3 without getting Roland's converter? >> >> Although acoustic a setup would not be my preference, I would also be >> interested to find out if there is any way to setup a ride cymbal to be >> triggered by foot (hi-hat would not work for me because I need that >> sustained sound that only cymbal produces). I am aware of the foot pedal >> bracket, which could be used for tambourine, but nothing of the kind for >> cymbal. I understand that this is partly due to the idiosyncracies >> associated with cymbal playing, but I was wondering if there were any >> ways >> to set this up, even if these were not the most sophisticated ones . >> >> Thanks, >> Rale >> >> > >
I had one of those, it's low quality but actually works The kick trigger is small but velocity sensitive which is a must. I sent it back because it made really messy Midi notes with random not lengths (anything from 1 tick to hanging notes) but it was a nice little E-drum toy kit for recording midi tracks. JimR "SR" <> skrev i en meddelelse news:Wt5Ef.173144$km.28890@edtnps89... > Simplest way? One possibility is to get something like a Yamaha DD55 and > just put the midi out to the Roland module. Comes with two foot pedals > assignable to any sound, and any of the pads can be assigned to any sound .. > > SR > > > > "Rale" <> wrote in message > news:T9SDf.85970$-kc.rr.com... > > > > I am trying to figure out the easiest way to have two foot - triggered > MIDI > > drum components setup for one-man-band style live performances. Both of > > these would have to be controlled by foot. The first component would be a > > bass drum, and the second one would either be a ride cymbal or tambourine. > I > > am looking for suggestions on how to set this up. I am interested in > > controlling these live, not having them prerecorded or pre-sequenced. > > > > Would something like Roland TD-3 (Percussion Sound Module) with FD-8 > (hi-hat > > controller) and KD-8 (kick trigger) + (standard bass drum pedal) work for > > this purpose. Would FD-8 be able to trigger cymbal samples using TD-3 > alone, > > without having an actual MIDI cymbal component attached? In other words, > > would TD-3, FD-8, KD-8 and drum pedal be sufficient for this purpose? I'm > > not drummer, which, I'm sure, is already obvious, so my intention is to > use > > this very modestly. > > > > Overall, I am interested in as simple setup as possible. > > > > Could anyone recommend any other inexpensive alternatives for such setup? > > Any other velocity sensitive MIDI foot pedals where I could use other MIDI > > synth modules -- other than TD-3 without getting Roland's converter? > > > > Although acoustic a setup would not be my preference, I would also be > > interested to find out if there is any way to setup a ride cymbal to be > > triggered by foot (hi-hat would not work for me because I need that > > sustained sound that only cymbal produces). I am aware of the foot pedal > > bracket, which could be used for tambourine, but nothing of the kind for > > cymbal. I understand that this is partly due to the idiosyncracies > > associated with cymbal playing, but I was wondering if there were any ways > > to set this up, even if these were not the most sophisticated ones . > > > > Thanks, > > Rale > > > > > >
