Giga/Sonar/XP - Midi Thru?

Discussion in 'cakewalk.audio' started by Gerry Peters, Jun 27, 2004.

  1. Gerry Peters Guest

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    I've been using Gigastudio on a 2nd computer as another synth in my
    chain of external synths. So I have everything just daisy chained
    together. In order to complete the chain using Gigastudio, in the past
    with Win98SE, I've successfully created a Midi Thru by opening up Giga
    and then Sonar. Sonar defaults to midi thru, the so the midi signal
    goes into my Midiman midi interface and all the midi info passing into
    the Midi IN is echoed out the Midi out, making it behave like a Midi
    Thru

    This all works just fine with Win98SE, but with Gigastudio 2.54 and
    Sonar 2.2 or 3.1.1 and XP, I can't get the midi thru to work. If I
    start Sonar then I get Midi Thru, but when I start Giga then the Midi
    Thru is disabled. Or if I start Giga first, the Midi in works fine,
    but when I start Sonar then the audio output of Giga is disabled. I've
    tried starting Sonar from within Giga with no success.

    It's surprising Gigastudio doesn't have a way to echo the Midi in to
    the Midi out, effectively creating a Midi Thru without involving
    Sonar, you would think it could be done within Giga. If there's a way,
    educate me. I'm using a Gina 20 in my Giga computer and Midiman
    Biport. I can't find a way to have the Biport echo the midi in either.
    Unless someone else has a solution, I guess I'll have to buy a Midi
    spitter box

    GP
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  2. Steve Karl Guest

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    Hi Gerry,

    Have you considered a "virtual" midi router?
    http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm

    It works very well when routing midi to an other machine, over the network,
    ( no cables necessary )
    and also within one machine it works as a virtual midi router.
    I use 4 "pipe-outs" to feed Giga midi when Giga is on the same box as Sonar.
    It's very slick.
    It has an "echo to" option with a dropdown menu that allows
    you to choose the port ( single port only it seems ) to echo to.

    I know, Sonar and that Midi Thru thing is really wacky for me too.
    I can't find a way to enable and disable it other than the little button on each track.
    One of the downgrades from CWPA9 in my opinion.
    There should also be a global option to turn it on and off but ... whatever.

    An other possibility is that I hear that MidiYoke works on XP?
    I used to use Hubi on Win98SE.

    HTH

    Steve






    "Gerry Peters" <> wrote in message news:...
    > I've been using Gigastudio on a 2nd computer as another synth in my
    > chain of external synths. So I have everything just daisy chained
    > together. In order to complete the chain using Gigastudio, in the past
    > with Win98SE, I've successfully created a Midi Thru by opening up Giga
    > and then Sonar. Sonar defaults to midi thru, the so the midi signal
    > goes into my Midiman midi interface and all the midi info passing into
    > the Midi IN is echoed out the Midi out, making it behave like a Midi
    > Thru
    >
    > This all works just fine with Win98SE, but with Gigastudio 2.54 and
    > Sonar 2.2 or 3.1.1 and XP, I can't get the midi thru to work. If I
    > start Sonar then I get Midi Thru, but when I start Giga then the Midi
    > Thru is disabled. Or if I start Giga first, the Midi in works fine,
    > but when I start Sonar then the audio output of Giga is disabled. I've
    > tried starting Sonar from within Giga with no success.
    >
    > It's surprising Gigastudio doesn't have a way to echo the Midi in to
    > the Midi out, effectively creating a Midi Thru without involving
    > Sonar, you would think it could be done within Giga. If there's a way,
    > educate me. I'm using a Gina 20 in my Giga computer and Midiman
    > Biport. I can't find a way to have the Biport echo the midi in either.
    > Unless someone else has a solution, I guess I'll have to buy a Midi
    > spitter box
    >
    > GP
  3. Gerry Peters Guest

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    >>Have you considered a "virtual" midi router?<<

    that the sort of thing I need, yet for $69 I may decide instead to get
    a hardware box. The MidiYoke works with XP, but it's apparently still
    in the beta stage, it's free and that's always good. Considering all I
    really need is a Midi Thru type of thing, I hope I can just find a
    free software solution or maybe something around $29, which is about
    what something like that should be worth

    GP


    On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:41:20 GMT, "Steve Karl" <>
    wrote:

    >Hi Gerry,
    >
    >Have you considered a "virtual" midi router?
    >http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm
    >
    >It works very well when routing midi to an other machine, over the network,
    >( no cables necessary )
    >and also within one machine it works as a virtual midi router.
    >I use 4 "pipe-outs" to feed Giga midi when Giga is on the same box as Sonar.
    >It's very slick.
    >It has an "echo to" option with a dropdown menu that allows
    >you to choose the port ( single port only it seems ) to echo to.
    >
    >I know, Sonar and that Midi Thru thing is really wacky for me too.
    >I can't find a way to enable and disable it other than the little button on each track.
    >One of the downgrades from CWPA9 in my opinion.
    >There should also be a global option to turn it on and off but ... whatever.
    >
    >An other possibility is that I hear that MidiYoke works on XP?
  4. Steve Karl Guest

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    gerry,

    MidiYoke has been in Beta mode for years.
    Give it a try.
    Steve

    "Gerry Peters" <> wrote in message news:...
    > >>Have you considered a "virtual" midi router?<<

    >
    > that the sort of thing I need, yet for $69 I may decide instead to get
    > a hardware box. The MidiYoke works with XP, but it's apparently still
    > in the beta stage, it's free and that's always good. Considering all I
    > really need is a Midi Thru type of thing, I hope I can just find a
    > free software solution or maybe something around $29, which is about
    > what something like that should be worth
    >
    > GP
    >
    >
    > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:41:20 GMT, "Steve Karl" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Hi Gerry,
    > >
    > >Have you considered a "virtual" midi router?
    > >http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm
    > >
    > >It works very well when routing midi to an other machine, over the network,
    > >( no cables necessary )
    > >and also within one machine it works as a virtual midi router.
    > >I use 4 "pipe-outs" to feed Giga midi when Giga is on the same box as Sonar.
    > >It's very slick.
    > >It has an "echo to" option with a dropdown menu that allows
    > >you to choose the port ( single port only it seems ) to echo to.
    > >
    > >I know, Sonar and that Midi Thru thing is really wacky for me too.
    > >I can't find a way to enable and disable it other than the little button on each track.
    > >One of the downgrades from CWPA9 in my opinion.
    > >There should also be a global option to turn it on and off but ... whatever.
    > >
    > >An other possibility is that I hear that MidiYoke works on XP?

    >
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  5. Glennbo Guest

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    In news: the killer robot Gerry
    Peters <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
    cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

    > I guess I'll have to buy a Midi
    > spitter box


    Those are really messy though.

    You have to keep paper towels around to mop up all the midi saliva. ;)

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    In news: the killer robot
    Gerry Peters <> grabbed the controls of the
    spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

    > I hope I can just find a
    > free software solution or maybe something around $29, which is about
    > what something like that should be worth


    A one in two out is $39 at MF. It's powered through midi too,
    so there's no wall wart needed.

    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...8069643/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/702507/

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  7. Sue Morton Guest

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    I use MidiYoke on both Win2k and WinXP without trouble. BUT have not tried
    to go over a network to another machine, so don't know about that. Using it
    on the same machine works fine.
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    Sue Morton

    "Steve Karl" <> wrote in message
    news:iBxDc.18741$...
    > gerry,
    >
    > MidiYoke has been in Beta mode for years.
    > Give it a try.
    > Steve
    >
    > "Gerry Peters" <> wrote in message

    news:...
    > > >>Have you considered a "virtual" midi router?<<

    > >
    > > that the sort of thing I need, yet for $69 I may decide instead to get
    > > a hardware box. The MidiYoke works with XP, but it's apparently still
    > > in the beta stage, it's free and that's always good. Considering all I
    > > really need is a Midi Thru type of thing, I hope I can just find a
    > > free software solution or maybe something around $29, which is about
    > > what something like that should be worth
    > >
    > > GP
    > >
    > >
    > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:41:20 GMT, "Steve Karl" <>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >Hi Gerry,
    > > >
    > > >Have you considered a "virtual" midi router?
    > > >http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm
    > > >
    > > >It works very well when routing midi to an other machine, over the

    network,
    > > >( no cables necessary )
    > > >and also within one machine it works as a virtual midi router.
    > > >I use 4 "pipe-outs" to feed Giga midi when Giga is on the same box as

    Sonar.
    > > >It's very slick.
    > > >It has an "echo to" option with a dropdown menu that allows
    > > >you to choose the port ( single port only it seems ) to echo to.
    > > >
    > > >I know, Sonar and that Midi Thru thing is really wacky for me too.
    > > >I can't find a way to enable and disable it other than the little

    button on each track.
    > > >One of the downgrades from CWPA9 in my opinion.
    > > >There should also be a global option to turn it on and off but ...

    whatever.
    > > >
    > > >An other possibility is that I hear that MidiYoke works on XP?

    > >

    >
    >
  8. kitekrazy Guest

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    Midi OVer LAN should work. Midi Yope should not be use with Gigastudio on
    W2K. Got that as word from Tascam. Some gigastudio users have had trouble
    with midi yoke on XP as well. Still seems to work fine on W98.

    "Glennbo" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns95155696E8FB7BrownShoesDontMakeIt@68.12.19.6...
    > In news: the killer robot Gerry
    > Peters <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
    > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
    >
    > > I guess I'll have to buy a Midi
    > > spitter box

    >
    > Those are really messy though.
    >
    > You have to keep paper towels around to mop up all the midi saliva. ;)
    >
    > --
    > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email.
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    > / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \
    > / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ /
    > \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/
    > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Glennbo These go to eleven
    > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
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  9. Gerry Peters Guest

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    >> Midi OVer LAN should work. <<

    In my case if I understand correctly, I'm not running midi over LAN, I
    have physical midi cables in a daisy chain connecting several external
    synths including my 2nd Giga computer

    I've never even thought of midi over LAN, do you mean that my DAW
    would use mdi yoke and connect to another midi yoke on my Giga
    computer all without involving a midi cable? I guess I'd be concerned
    of timing errors

    GP



    On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:09:57 GMT, "kitekrazy" <>
    wrote:

    > Midi OVer LAN should work.
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