Hi all, The internal hard drive in my K2000 (Quantum LPS 240MB) has sadly died, and I would like to replace it...BUT from what I read, apparantly this is an impossibility in 2004. The compatibility list on http://www.sweetwater.com/k2000/drives.html implies that other than the drives listed, other drives will NOT work. Ebay seems devoid of any drive from this (small) list. Pyramid sells 'refurbished' drives: http://66.96.129.224/cgi-local/shop.pl/page=hardware.htm for US$250 /$A355!! - without postage! They also suggest that an external box (with it's own power supply) is the way to go. Here's what they say: "With the latest version of the operating system, the K2000 can see a hard drive up to 2Gb. However, the official word from Kurzweil is that the K2000 power supply is inadequate to run a drive of this size, so an external SCSI hard drive with its own power supply is the way to go. Removable SCSI drives (ZIP, JAZZ, and ORB) have better shock resistance than hard drives, but seem to have long-term reliability problems. We are offering external SCSI hard drives as an alternative. All mechanisms and SCSI enclosures are new. Don't trust your data to old, used drives." Are they exagerrating about the Kurz power supply not being able to cope w a drive 2G or larger? And what's this about the 'long term reliability probs in using Jaz and Zip disks'.. is this a valid point, or part of a sales pitch? To summarise...it looks finding an internal HD for a K2x00 is impossible. 1. Hope to find old compatible drive on ebay etc (I havent found any) 2. Buy a 'refurbished' one ($$$) from pyramid ... At this stage it looks like a zip/jaz is the only option, but I'd MUCH prefer an internal drive. I dont want to carry around a zip/jaz - they're supposedly REALLY SLOW, take up space, take up a powerpoint, as now the alleged reliability issues mentioned by the pyramid site; nor do I want to get an external box to carry around.. Are there any other options? Andy ps. here's more of what Pyramid say: http://www.pyramid-sound.com/hints.htm#K2000_operating_system: Question: "I was planning to get an internal hard-drive because it would give me more storage than the external ZIP I'm using by now. Also, I like the idea of an internal hard drive. I have a K2VP and I believe it can handle a 2 GB hard drive. What's the difference with an external hard-drive versus an internal? I realize an internal hard drive would drain power from the Kurzweil, but why would that be a problem?" The K2VP can address a 2 GB hard drive, but it is not a good idea to be powering it as an internal drive. When a new OS upgrade comes out, it adapts the Kurzweil to the newer, larger drives. However, there is no power supply upgrade. The official word from Kurzweil is that the latest OS upgrade for K2000 lets you use a 2 gig HD, but they specifically advise against using 2 GB drives as internal units because the K2000's power supply can't handle it. They have not issued a similar warning for the K2600, and we have not heard of K2600 power supplies going out with an 8 gig drive, but it may be too soon to tell. The Operating System upgrade that made it possible for the K2600 to see an 8 gig drive is fairly recent. The larger and faster the drive, the more power it draws. Portability is nice, especially if you're a gig-hopping musician and play live. It's one useless thing to lug around. However, unless you really need many samples for the performance, a smallish internal hard drive (less than 700 MB) would be your best bet. However, please note that many smaller drives do not meet the power supply specs for K2000, K2VP, and K2VX. An external SCSI hard drive is a very different scenario from an internal because it is a freestanding unit with its own power supply. In other words, it does not run off the Kurzweil's power supply and therefore is not an extra load on the Kurzweil. "
Andybaby wrote: > > The internal hard drive in my K2000 (Quantum LPS 240MB) has sadly > died, and I would like to replace it...BUT from what I read, > apparantly this is an impossibility in 2004. I think I have an LPS120 here somewhere. Pay the freight and it's yours.
Kurt Albershardt <> wrote in message news:<>... > Andybaby wrote: > > > > The internal hard drive in my K2000 (Quantum LPS 240MB) has sadly > > died, and I would like to replace it...BUT from what I read, > > apparantly this is an impossibility in 2004. > > > I think I have an LPS120 here somewhere. Pay the freight and it's yours. Whoa!! Thanks a lot! Much appreciated. I'll email my details to you privately. regards, Andy
Andybaby wrote: > Kurt Albershardt <> wrote in message news:<>... > >> Andybaby wrote: >> >>> The internal hard drive in my K2000 (Quantum LPS 240MB) has sadly >>> died, and I would like to replace it...BUT from what I read, >>> apparantly this is an impossibility in 2004. >> >> >> I think I have an LPS120 here somewhere. Pay the freight and it's yours. > > > Whoa!! Thanks a lot! Much appreciated. > > I'll email my details to you privately. sound of rummaging with mild cursing in background... Another thing to consider might be a flash drive.
In article <>, Kurt Albershardt <> wrote: > Andybaby wrote: > > > Kurt Albershardt <> wrote in message > > news:<>... > > > >> Andybaby wrote: > >> > >>> The internal hard drive in my K2000 (Quantum LPS 240MB) has sadly > >>> died, and I would like to replace it...BUT from what I read, > >>> apparantly this is an impossibility in 2004. > >> > >> > >> I think I have an LPS120 here somewhere. Pay the freight and it's yours. > > > > > > Whoa!! Thanks a lot! Much appreciated. > > > > I'll email my details to you privately. > > > sound of rummaging with mild cursing in background... > > > Another thing to consider might be a flash drive. Sure. Tell us all the places selling SCSI flash drives. I hope my pen doesn't run out of ink writing them all down.
Steve wrote: > In article <>, > Kurt Albershardt <> wrote: > > >>Andybaby wrote: >> >> >>>Kurt Albershardt <> wrote in message >>>news:<>... >>> >>> >>>>Andybaby wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>The internal hard drive in my K2000 (Quantum LPS 240MB) has sadly >>>>>died, and I would like to replace it...BUT from what I read, >>>>>apparantly this is an impossibility in 2004. >>>> >>>> >>>>I think I have an LPS120 here somewhere. Pay the freight and it's yours. >>> >>> >>>Whoa!! Thanks a lot! Much appreciated. >>> >>>I'll email my details to you privately. >> >> >>sound of rummaging with mild cursing in background... >> >> >>Another thing to consider might be a flash drive. > > > > Sure. > > Tell us all the places selling SCSI flash drives. Oops, forgot it was a SCSI drive. I have another similar-era Quantum that's IDE.
Andy, You need to visit this site: www.scsiforsamplers.com They've got external CD-Rom/HD that they claim will work perfectly with your K2000. This is, in fact, the place I plan on buying from when I go for an external combo for my own K2600XS. Talk about cheap! You can get an external 12X CD-Rom / 2 GB Seagate combo (with case enclosure) for $140.00. Anyway, hope that helps. "Andybaby" <> wrote in message news:... > Hi all, > > The internal hard drive in my K2000 (Quantum LPS 240MB) has sadly > died, and I would like to replace it...BUT from what I read, > apparantly this is an impossibility in 2004. > > The compatibility list on http://www.sweetwater.com/k2000/drives.html > implies that other than the drives listed, other drives will NOT work. > > Ebay seems devoid of any drive from this (small) list. > > Pyramid sells 'refurbished' drives: > http://66.96.129.224/cgi-local/shop.pl/page=hardware.htm > for US$250 /$A355!! - without postage! They also suggest that an > external box (with it's own power supply) is the way to go. > > Here's what they say: > "With the latest version of the operating system, the K2000 can see a > hard drive up to 2Gb. However, the official word from Kurzweil is > that the K2000 power supply is inadequate to run a drive of this size, > so an external SCSI hard drive with its own power supply is the way > to go. > > Removable SCSI drives (ZIP, JAZZ, and ORB) have better shock > resistance than hard drives, but seem to have long-term reliability > problems. We are offering external SCSI hard drives as an > alternative. All mechanisms and SCSI enclosures are new. Don't > trust your data to old, used drives." > > Are they exagerrating about the Kurz power supply not being able to > cope w a drive 2G or larger? > > And what's this about the 'long term reliability probs in using Jaz > and Zip disks'.. is this a valid point, or part of a sales pitch? > > To summarise...it looks finding an internal HD for a K2x00 is > impossible. > 1. Hope to find old compatible drive on ebay etc (I havent found any) > 2. Buy a 'refurbished' one ($$$) from pyramid ... > > At this stage it looks like a zip/jaz is the only option, but I'd MUCH > prefer an internal drive. I dont want to carry around a zip/jaz - > they're supposedly REALLY SLOW, take up space, take up a powerpoint, > as now the alleged reliability issues mentioned by the pyramid site; > nor do I want to get an external box to carry around.. > > Are there any other options? > > Andy > ps. here's more of what Pyramid say: > http://www.pyramid-sound.com/hints.htm#K2000_operating_system: > Question: "I was planning to get an internal hard-drive because it > would give me more storage than the external ZIP I'm using by now. > Also, I like the idea of an internal hard drive. I have a K2VP and I > believe it can handle a 2 GB hard drive. What's the difference with an > external hard-drive versus an internal? I realize an internal hard > drive would drain power from the Kurzweil, but why would that be a > problem?" > > The K2VP can address a 2 GB hard drive, but it is not a good idea to > be powering it as an internal drive. When a new OS upgrade comes out, > it adapts the Kurzweil to the newer, larger drives. However, there is > no power supply upgrade. The official word from Kurzweil is that the > latest OS upgrade for K2000 lets you use a 2 gig HD, but they > specifically advise against using 2 GB drives as internal units > because the K2000's power supply can't handle it. They have not issued > a similar warning for the K2600, and we have not heard of K2600 power > supplies going out with an 8 gig drive, but it may be too soon to > tell. The Operating System upgrade that made it possible for the K2600 > to see an 8 gig drive is fairly recent. > > The larger and faster the drive, the more power it draws. Portability > is nice, especially if you're a gig-hopping musician and play live. > It's one useless thing to lug around. However, unless you really need > many samples for the performance, a smallish internal hard drive (less > than 700 MB) would be your best bet. However, please note that many > smaller drives do not meet the power supply specs for K2000, K2VP, and > K2VX. > An external SCSI hard drive is a very different scenario from an > internal because it is a freestanding unit with its own power supply. > In other words, it does not run off the Kurzweil's power supply and > therefore is not an extra load on the Kurzweil. "
> > Here's what they say: > > "With the latest version of the operating system, the K2000 can see a > > hard drive up to 2Gb. However, the official word from Kurzweil is > > that the K2000 power supply is inadequate to run a drive of this size, I'd be surprised if a modern 2GB drive used more power than the old 240MB one, possibly less. Why not check the power requirements listed on the label? Stay clear of 10kRPM drives which probably will need more power, and be totally unnecessary for the application. TonyP.
TonyP wrote: >>> Here's what they say: >>> "With the latest version of the operating system, the K2000 can see a >>> hard drive up to 2Gb. However, the official word from Kurzweil is >>> that the K2000 power supply is inadequate to run a drive of this size, > > > I'd be surprised if a modern 2GB drive used more power than the old 240MB > one, possibly less. Why not check the power requirements listed on the > label? Stay clear of 10kRPM drives which probably will need more power, and > be totally unnecessary for the application. IIRC, some of the 4G drives had jumpers to make them look like 2G drives. I have an unused 4G Barracuda (first generation 7200) but those things sounded like a jet engine warming up and used to dim the lights in my office at bootup.
Hi all, Thanks for the responses. What about...modifying the K2000 to give more power for the modern drives? I mean the molex connector is there, we get a 68 pin to 50 pin SCSI convertor plug, and simply change whatever the element is (power supply?) thats causing the prob. This would make more sense and possibly be cheaper than buying one of those expensive refurbished old drives. Also, no-one has commented on the reliability (or otherwise) of SCSI Zip/Jaz drives. Do Jazz drives read 100mb Zip disks? It would be cheaper to throw away a dud 100mb disk, than a more expensing 1GB one. Andy
Steve <> wrote in message news:<>... > In article <>, > Kurt Albershardt <> wrote: > > > Andybaby wrote: > > > > > Kurt Albershardt <> wrote in message > > > news:<>... > > > > > >> Andybaby wrote: > > >> > > >>> The internal hard drive in my K2000 (Quantum LPS 240MB) has sadly > > >>> died, and I would like to replace it...BUT from what I read, > > >>> apparantly this is an impossibility in 2004. > > >> > > >> > > >> I think I have an LPS120 here somewhere. Pay the freight and it's yours. > > > > > > > > > Whoa!! Thanks a lot! Much appreciated. > > > > > > I'll email my details to you privately. > > > > > > sound of rummaging with mild cursing in background... > > > > > > Another thing to consider might be a flash drive. > > > Sure. > > Tell us all the places selling SCSI flash drives. > > I hope my pen doesn't run out of ink writing them all down. Actually, SCSI drives for PCMCIA/Smartmedia/CompactFlash can be found on eBay; you just have to be persistent and patient. Keywords to try include "Microtech", "PCD-47B", and "SCM", in addition to the obvious ones. The PCD-47B works well with my K2600 (OS 4.0). It and similar models would likely work in a K2K as well, as long as hot-swapping is not attempted (power down your K before changing/removing cards).
Hi there, > Actually, SCSI drives for PCMCIA/Smartmedia/CompactFlash can be found > on eBay; you just have to be persistent and patient. Keywords to try > include "Microtech", "PCD-47B", and "SCM", in addition to the obvious > ones. I don't know anything about these drives.. these are external boxes (plugged into your comp via scsi) which let your computer read cards? I had a read of: http://www.pc-cardmart.com/PCMCIA_Adapters_PCD_Series.htm ... but i'm still confused. Do I plug the K2000 (via scsi cable) to my computer which contains this card reader, which reads a card (of some type) which has all my krz files? > > The PCD-47B works well with my K2600 (OS 4.0). It and similar models > would likely work in a K2K as well, as long as hot-swapping is not > attempted (power down your K before changing/removing cards). So this scsi card reader plugs straight into the kurz? I also read: "Accepts ATA Flash, Compact Flash, Smart Media (SSFDC), ATA Hard Disk and SRAM cards. (PCD-25/25B require adapters for Compact Flash and SmartMedia (SSFDC) cards." So it can take a hard drive ("ATA Hard Disk")? Or is the point to use cards? How much data do these store? Do they store like 100s of mbs? Another solution I thought of as a temporary measure is to get any (smallish)scsi drive, and put it into my computer and that way the computer gives it its power (though Ive read conflicting posts about whether the K2000 can handle larger drives or not). Will the K2000 detect and read this? Also about the 2G limitation - does the Kurz ignore the rest of the drive, or will it not read it in the 1st place if it is over 2g? Andy ps Note: I've got really bad cold/headache and am a little delirious (in case my post is a little incoherant)
Man, this "getting an internal drive for my K2000" has become a damn saga! i cant find anyone selling /giving away a drive on the K2000 compatibility list, and there are NO new SCSI drives small enough to use with the K2000! I'm told Zip/Jazz drives are unreliable, and 'refurbished' drives cost like $US250!. The drive I'm using now cost me $50 in 1998! Ive been looking into these SCSI flash drives with much confusion and ok, I sort of get it now.. (after much reading and borrowing a friends dig camera to fiddle with) These are EXTERNAL devices that read different types of portable "RAM disks" (which store data). Some of these boxes connect via scsi and as far as the other device is concerned this is a 'removable hard drive'. The PCD-47B sounds great but its $US299!!! (without postage). And thats NOT including the actual memory card. I dont understand why everyone isnt talking about this issue of "the disappearing compatible drives for samplers", I thought having a sampler with an internal drive was a basic requirement.. Don't people use samplers live anymore? Im gonna have to chance it with an internal zip, and HOPE that people have been exagerrating about their unreliablity, or that I'll score a reliable one. Andy ps, pps, or I may have to (unbelievably) just accept my fate, and get an external powered box with a new (multi GB) SCSI hard drive in it. Are there "compatibility issues" here as well, or will this work with any SCSI drive? eg: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11160&item=5117350989&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW I know I could format it into multiple 2GB partitions... but I only need 200mbs dammit! (Andybaby) wrote in message news:<>... > Hi there, > > > Actually, SCSI drives for PCMCIA/Smartmedia/CompactFlash can be found > > on eBay; you just have to be persistent and patient. Keywords to try > > include "Microtech", "PCD-47B", and "SCM", in addition to the obvious > > ones. > > I don't know anything about these drives.. these are external boxes > (plugged into your comp via scsi) which let your computer read cards? > > I had a read of: > http://www.pc-cardmart.com/PCMCIA_Adapters_PCD_Series.htm > > .. but i'm still confused. > > Do I plug the K2000 (via scsi cable) to my computer which contains > this card reader, which reads a card (of some type) which has all my > krz files? > > > > > The PCD-47B works well with my K2600 (OS 4.0). It and similar models > > would likely work in a K2K as well, as long as hot-swapping is not > > attempted (power down your K before changing/removing cards). > > So this scsi card reader plugs straight into the kurz? I also read: > > "Accepts ATA Flash, Compact Flash, Smart Media (SSFDC), ATA Hard Disk > and SRAM cards. (PCD-25/25B require adapters for Compact Flash and > SmartMedia (SSFDC) cards." > > So it can take a hard drive ("ATA Hard Disk")? Or is the point to use > cards? How much data do these store? Do they store like 100s of mbs? > > Another solution I thought of as a temporary measure is to get any > (smallish)scsi drive, and put it into my computer and that way the > computer gives it its power (though Ive read conflicting posts about > whether the K2000 can handle larger drives or not). Will the K2000 > detect and read this? Also about the 2G limitation - does the Kurz > ignore the rest of the drive, or will it not read it in the 1st place > if it is over 2g? > > > > Andy > ps Note: I've got really bad cold/headache and am a little delirious > (in case my post is a little incoherant)
1) I've been using a Zip drive with a Kurz for, oh, about 5 years. I too heard the "unreliability" speeches so I bought another one. Still using the first one. 2) Yes, people use samples live -- at least I do. I've owned a K2000, a K2vx, a K2500S, and a K2600 and used the same SCSI (external) zip drive on every one of 'em. I now primarily use a K2661 and use the smart media card instead of the zip. 3) Check out scsiforsamplers.com Hope that helps! Later, Michael Houston PS Although I know it's a hassle, I think I'd give up on the internal idea and go with external... On 24 Aug 2004 19:35:17 -0700, (Andybaby) wrote: >Man, this "getting an internal drive for my K2000" has become a damn >saga! i cant find anyone selling /giving away a drive on the K2000 >compatibility list, and there are NO new SCSI drives small enough to >use with the K2000! > >I'm told Zip/Jazz drives are unreliable, and 'refurbished' drives cost >like $US250!. The drive I'm using now cost me $50 in 1998! > >Ive been looking into these SCSI flash drives with much confusion and >ok, I sort of get it now.. > >(after much reading and borrowing a friends dig camera to fiddle with) > >These are EXTERNAL devices that read different types of portable "RAM >disks" (which store data). Some of these boxes connect via scsi and as >far as the other device is concerned this is a 'removable hard drive'. > >The PCD-47B sounds great but its $US299!!! (without postage). And >thats NOT including the actual memory card. > >I dont understand why everyone isnt talking about this issue of "the >disappearing compatible drives for samplers", I thought having a >sampler with an internal drive was a basic requirement.. Don't people >use samplers live anymore? > > >Im gonna have to chance it with an internal zip, and HOPE that people >have been exagerrating about their unreliablity, or that I'll score a >reliable one. > > > >Andy >ps, pps, or I may have to (unbelievably) just accept my fate, and get >an external powered box with a new (multi GB) SCSI hard drive in it. >Are there "compatibility issues" here as well, or will this work with >any SCSI drive? eg: > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11160&item=5117350989&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > >I know I could format it into multiple 2GB partitions... but I only >need 200mbs dammit! > > > > (Andybaby) wrote in message news:<>... >> Hi there, >> >> > Actually, SCSI drives for PCMCIA/Smartmedia/CompactFlash can be found >> > on eBay; you just have to be persistent and patient. Keywords to try >> > include "Microtech", "PCD-47B", and "SCM", in addition to the obvious >> > ones. >> >> I don't know anything about these drives.. these are external boxes >> (plugged into your comp via scsi) which let your computer read cards? >> >> I had a read of: >> http://www.pc-cardmart.com/PCMCIA_Adapters_PCD_Series.htm >> >> .. but i'm still confused. >> >> Do I plug the K2000 (via scsi cable) to my computer which contains >> this card reader, which reads a card (of some type) which has all my >> krz files? >> >> > >> > The PCD-47B works well with my K2600 (OS 4.0). It and similar models >> > would likely work in a K2K as well, as long as hot-swapping is not >> > attempted (power down your K before changing/removing cards). >> >> So this scsi card reader plugs straight into the kurz? I also read: >> >> "Accepts ATA Flash, Compact Flash, Smart Media (SSFDC), ATA Hard Disk >> and SRAM cards. (PCD-25/25B require adapters for Compact Flash and >> SmartMedia (SSFDC) cards." >> >> So it can take a hard drive ("ATA Hard Disk")? Or is the point to use >> cards? How much data do these store? Do they store like 100s of mbs? >> >> Another solution I thought of as a temporary measure is to get any >> (smallish)scsi drive, and put it into my computer and that way the >> computer gives it its power (though Ive read conflicting posts about >> whether the K2000 can handle larger drives or not). Will the K2000 >> detect and read this? Also about the 2G limitation - does the Kurz >> ignore the rest of the drive, or will it not read it in the 1st place >> if it is over 2g? >> >> >> >> Andy >> ps Note: I've got really bad cold/headache and am a little delirious >> (in case my post is a little incoherant)
I bought a used Jazz2 drive on E-bay a couple months back to us with my K2500. It is the 2 gig version. The guy threw in 5 2 gig disc and the final bid was only $35.00. Look on Ebay for a deal would be my advise. you can also bid on used SCSI drives there too, if you know of an exact model to search for. They do pop up from time to time. No idea on quality though... check the sellers rating carefully. good luck. On 24 Aug 2004 19:35:17 -0700, (Andybaby) wrote: >Man, this "getting an internal drive for my K2000" has become a damn >saga! i cant find anyone selling /giving away a drive on the K2000 >compatibility list, and there are NO new SCSI drives small enough to >use with the K2000! > >I'm told Zip/Jazz drives are unreliable, and 'refurbished' drives cost >like $US250!. The drive I'm using now cost me $50 in 1998! >
Quote: "The PCD-47B works well with my K2600 (OS 4.0). It and similar models would likely work in a K2K as well, as long as hot-swapping is not attempted (power down your K before changing/removing cards)." The K2600 is quite advanced in terms of SCSI compatibility as compared to the older K2000. Also, with the K2000 it really depends on which version of operating system you have in it. ~Peter Schouten Pyramid Sound Productions http://www.pyramid-sound.com
There were a few SCSI 2gb drives that worked in the k2000s internally. There were a couple that weren't on the list provided by Sweetwater. I have forgotten which model I used in a K2000, but I recall trying a couple 2gb drives that didn't work. I believe Quantum or Seagate made the 2gb models that worked. The specs for internal HDs were published by Kurzweil somewhere, so just compare that with the startup current draw from the various HDs available. Basically what happens is that if the drive draws too much power when it spins up, the K will shut down during power up. A nice alternative is to buy any 2gb SCSI drive and mount it in your computer with a terminated SCSI-2 card. Connect the card to the K (terminated) and you are good to go. However, don't try to access the drive from the computer while the K is accessing it. I used this configuration for years with no problems. The advantage of this is that you can transfer files to and from the drive directly. I also used to access a SCSI cd-rom in the same way. Your best bet is to buy dirt cheap drives and a dedicated external enclosure. Then pickup an Adaptec 2940 to backup the HD to your computer.
