As I'm trying to use a Soundblaster Live card for making music on my PC, somebody recommended I install the KX drivers which are drivers written specifically for people using Creative Soundblaster cards for making music. After the experience I've just had trying to install these drivers, all I can say is avoid them like the plague! Not only didn't they work, they disabled my MIDI keyboard (a Creative Prodikeys) leaving me having to uninstall then reinstall the prodikeys software and keyboard all over again. The soundcard would no longer work at all, not even within any of my games. Now also Cubase 3.1 SX no longer recognises that I have a MIDI keyboard installed so I can't even use it with Cubase anymore. To say I wish I hadn't bothered with them in the first place is an understatement and I wish I had left well enough alone! I've only just wanted to get back into making music following an operation to help me beat a long 14 year illness which left me wheelchair bound. Before all this, when I was in a band and writing music years ago, it was during the days when cassette based portastudios were the norm for most home based music making. How much easier it was back then. You might be able to do a lot more now and with much better sound quality but I've had nothing but problem after problem since making the decision to try and make music with computers. Problems with the software more specifically and it's left me spending more time trying to solve these problems than actually making music! Thanks to many good people in these newsgroups with their help and advice, I managed to sort out most of them but I had no way of solving them myself as I no longer know any musicians personally at all. Problems with Windows, Cubase, drivers, latency, etc, etc. These latest driver problems have left me totally disillusioned and frustrated. My flat mate who has watched all this said to me tonight on learning of these latest driver problems: "I don't know why you still bother. I'd have given up long ago." This is how I feel at the moment because I just want to make music, not have to solve one problem after another. It just seems endless. Hopefully, somebody here can help me to get Cubase recognising my keyboard again and that I'll have calmed down after a little while because at the moment I just feel like taking a hammer to everything!
On Jan 28, 9:46 pm, Wadeyboy <> wrote: > As I'm trying to use a Soundblaster Live card for making music on my > PC, somebody recommended I install the KX drivers which are drivers > written specifically for people using Creative Soundblaster cards for > making music. After the experience I've just had trying to install > these drivers, all I can say is avoid them like the plague! Not only > didn't they work, they disabled my MIDI keyboard (a Creative > Prodikeys) leaving me having to uninstall then reinstall the prodikeys > software and keyboard all over again. The soundcard would no longer > work at all, not even within any of my games. Now also Cubase 3.1 SX > no longer recognises that I have a MIDI keyboard installed so I can't > even use it with Cubase anymore. To say I wish I hadn't bothered with > them in the first place is an understatement and I wish I had left > well enough alone! > I've only just wanted to get back into making music following an > operation to help me beat a long 14 year illness which left me > wheelchair bound. Before all this, when I was in a band and writing > music years ago, it was during the days when cassette based > portastudios were the norm for most home based music making. How much > easier it was back then. You might be able to do a lot more now and > with much better sound quality but I've had nothing but problem after > problem since making the decision to try and make music with > computers. Problems with the software more specifically and it's left > me spending more time trying to solve these problems than actually > making music! Thanks to many good people in these newsgroups with > their help and advice, I managed to sort out most of them but I had no > way of solving them myself as I no longer know any musicians > personally at all. Problems with Windows, Cubase, drivers, latency, > etc, etc. These latest driver problems have left me totally > disillusioned and frustrated. My flat mate who has watched all this > said to me tonight on learning of these latest driver problems: "I > don't know why you still bother. I'd have given up long ago." This is > how I feel at the moment because I just want to make music, not have > to solve one problem after another. It just seems endless. Hopefully, > somebody here can help me to get Cubase recognising my keyboard again > and that I'll have calmed down after a little while because at the > moment I just feel like taking a hammer to everything! By the way, I've posted this in 3 home music making related newsgroups as a warning to anyone who might be thinking of trying to use these drivers.
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:46:11 -0800 (PST), Wadeyboy <> wrote: >After the experience I've just had trying to install >these drivers, all I can say is avoid them like the plague! So let me get this straight: you are too much of an idiot to install KX drivers (much applauded worldwide since Soundblaster make good cards but impossible drivers) and now you shift the blame to THEM? Pathetic. Without KX, I would have dumped my Audigy card within 2 weeks of buying it.
On Jan 28, 3:46 pm, Wadeyboy <> wrote: > As I'm trying to use a Soundblaster Live card for making music on my > PC, somebody recommended I install the KX drivers which are drivers > written specifically for people using Creative Soundblaster cards for > making music. > Problems with Windows, Cubase, drivers, latency, > etc, etc. These latest driver problems have left me totally > disillusioned and frustrated. > at the > moment I just feel like taking a hammer to everything! I sympathize - I've spent much more time in the past weeks dealing with software incompatibilities, and OS mysteries. See the FAQ below, for hints about why SoundBlasters are problematic. Check out this page for hints about how to install the KX drivers. http://au.geocities.com/kxcubase/
On Jan 28, 11:48 pm, wrote: > On Jan 28, 3:46 pm, Wadeyboy <> wrote: > > > As I'm trying to use a Soundblaster Live card for making music on my > > PC, somebody recommended I install the KX drivers which are drivers > > written specifically for people using Creative Soundblaster cards for > > making music. > > Problems with Windows, Cubase, drivers, latency, > > etc, etc. These latest driver problems have left me totally > > disillusioned and frustrated. > > at the > > moment I just feel like taking a hammer to everything! > > I sympathize - I've spent much more time in the past weeks dealing > with software incompatibilities, and OS mysteries. > > See the FAQ below, for hints about why SoundBlasters are problematic. > Check out this page for hints about how to install the KX drivers.http://au.geocities.com/kxcubase/ So let me get this straight: you are too much of an idiot to install KX drivers (much applauded worldwide since Soundblaster make good cards but impossible drivers) and now you shift the blame to THEM? Pathetic. Too much of an idiot? All I did was click install and follow the prompts. Hardly my fault you ignorant arsehole!
Wadeyboy wrote: > By the way, I've posted this in 3 home music making related newsgroups > as a warning to anyone who might be thinking of trying to use these > drivers. Do yourself a big favor: get rid of this Soundblaster card and replace it with a M-Audio Delta Audiophile 2496 - many of your driver problems will be washed away immediately! Or get a EMU 0404, which is a bit pricier. Anyway, the Delta sounds worlds better than ANY SB/Audigy and the drivers are real ASIO drivers, not just some quirky work-arounds like the KXdriver. Yes, it works somehow, but it´s still something different than a better card with a better driver. Both cards are not very expensive (about 80-100$) and will give you a step into the league of "prosumer" audio interfaces, rather than consumer/gamer type cards like SB/Audigy. They are more designed for music "production" - and that is, what you want to do. BTW: you might consider cross-posting, rather than individual posts to several groups... ;-) Phil
"Bas" <> wrote in message news:... > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:46:11 -0800 (PST), Wadeyboy > <> wrote: > >>After the experience I've just had trying to install >>these drivers, all I can say is avoid them like the plague! > > So let me get this straight: you are too much of an idiot to install > KX drivers (much applauded worldwide since Soundblaster make good > cards but impossible drivers) and now you shift the blame to THEM? > Pathetic. > > Without KX, I would have dumped my Audigy card within 2 weeks of > buying it. Well done and I'm happy for you that you managed to get your Audigy working with the KX drivers, but there really is no need to be quite so aggressive and rude to someone who has obviously been struggling with the installation and is simply frustrated and is really asking for our help. Have you really never experienced frustration with your PC? If you really have nothing useful to add in a helpful way, why not just do what most other people who don't have an answer do and make no comment at all?
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:20:31 +0100, Bas wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:46:11 -0800 (PST), Wadeyboy > <> wrote: > >>After the experience I've just had trying to install these drivers, all >>I can say is avoid them like the plague! > > So let me get this straight: you are too much of an idiot to install KX > drivers (much applauded worldwide since Soundblaster make good cards but > impossible drivers) and now you shift the blame to THEM? Pathetic. > > Without KX, I would have dumped my Audigy card within 2 weeks of buying > it. You are a rude ****ing arsehole, and ignorant too. The KX drivers are quite buggy especially when running on an nVidia chipset. Not quite as shitty as the Creative drivers on nVidia but very close.
"Wadeyboy" <> wrote in message news:... > As I'm trying to use a Soundblaster Live card for making music on my > PC, somebody recommended I install the KX drivers which are drivers > written specifically for people using Creative Soundblaster cards for > making music. After the experience I've just had trying to install > these drivers, all I can say is avoid them like the plague! Not only > didn't they work, they disabled my MIDI keyboard (a Creative > Prodikeys) leaving me having to uninstall then reinstall the prodikeys > software and keyboard all over again. The soundcard would no longer > work at all, not even within any of my games. Now also Cubase 3.1 SX > no longer recognises that I have a MIDI keyboard installed so I can't > even use it with Cubase anymore. To say I wish I hadn't bothered with > them in the first place is an understatement and I wish I had left > well enough alone! > I've only just wanted to get back into making music following an > operation to help me beat a long 14 year illness which left me > wheelchair bound. Before all this, when I was in a band and writing > music years ago, it was during the days when cassette based > portastudios were the norm for most home based music making. How much > easier it was back then. You might be able to do a lot more now and > with much better sound quality but I've had nothing but problem after > problem since making the decision to try and make music with > computers. Problems with the software more specifically and it's left > me spending more time trying to solve these problems than actually > making music! Thanks to many good people in these newsgroups with > their help and advice, I managed to sort out most of them but I had no > way of solving them myself as I no longer know any musicians > personally at all. Problems with Windows, Cubase, drivers, latency, > etc, etc. These latest driver problems have left me totally > disillusioned and frustrated. My flat mate who has watched all this > said to me tonight on learning of these latest driver problems: "I > don't know why you still bother. I'd have given up long ago." This is > how I feel at the moment because I just want to make music, not have > to solve one problem after another. It just seems endless. Hopefully, > somebody here can help me to get Cubase recognising my keyboard again > and that I'll have calmed down after a little while because at the > moment I just feel like taking a hammer to everything! OK. I can see you're not too happy with the KX drivers. I'm not sure why I think that, but let's just say I have intuition about these things Firstly as I'm sure you know the KX Project is a third party organistaion that has written drivers for Sound Blaster cards. The KX Project is nothing directly to do with Creative Labs. The drivers are free and pretty much provided 'as-is' albeit with some support on their Web site here: http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/ In other words, the drivers may work and they may not. It's a chance you take. All credit to the KX Project for taking the time and trouble to try and provide a workable solution though. Their drivers work perfectly well for a lot of people. There are factors in the design and testing of drivers that often mean that it's not as easy as a 'one size fits all' scenario, so things like the chipset your computer has can have a bearing on whether or not third party drivers will work or not, plus if your OS installation is a mature one, it is likely that you may have installed and uninstalled a number of features and programs that *may* conflict with these drivers over the lifetime of that OS installation. For what it's worth I work in IT for a living, and have done for a very long time. I've been using Cubase since version 1 on the PC and have worked with SoundBlaster cards in the early days and although I use interfaces designed specifically to do the job with low latencies these days with Cubase 4.5 (and later today or tomorrow, Cubase 5), I still have a SoundBlaster Live or two in a couple of older machines, and in the early days of my tyrying to make simultaneous 16 track recordings in Cubase VST using several different audio interfaces at the same time I did a lot of troubleshooting specifically with the SB Live to make it work with my other cards - and believe it or not, it did. It is often a very slow process in getting to the root of a problem, but most problems (not all of course) are solvable with a bit of patience and lateral thinking plus remembering not to make more than one change at a time. The Sound Blaster range of cards including the Live! has never been ideal for making PC based music mainly because of sampling rates, high latency and MIDI timing if used at anything other than 48KHz. The easiest and best thing to do, if finances permit, is to forget the SounBlaster Live! completely for doing any serious composing and get something like the M-Audio Delta Audiophile 24/96 as Phil W has already suggested or maybe a USB interface from Edirol like this http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=970&ParentId=114 or Tascam. who offer a range of USB interfaces As Phil says, these interfaces are specifically designed for musicians and come supplied with proper ASIO drivers that work. That said, it is possible to use a Sound Blaster card with its own drivers rather than anything like the KX or ASIO4ALL drivers and personally, to get lower latencies I would probably have gone with ASIO4ALL rather than KX, but I digress. NOTE: anything you try that I might suggest is entirely at your own risk, so if in any doubt don't do it Right now, you need to carefully unpick everything you have done regarding your sound card's driver installation(s) and uninstall any trace of the KX drivers, followed by any trace of your Sound Blaster's proper drivers. Do this manually if necessary. Windows helpfully keeps the drivers and associated installation files on your system sometimes, which makes life difficult because the drivers will then simply reinstall themselves. Look for a hidden folder inside your WINDOWS folder called INF and you should find the driver installation file in there - it may not be obvious which one(s) you need to remove (don't delete, just change the extension from .inf to .in_ in case you make a mistake). Then reboot the PC and reinstall the proper Sound Blaster drivers as supplied on CD with the card. The drivers *should* install properly and then with any luck, you'll at least be back to where you started. There is a slight possibility that Windows may not play ball, so if that is the case, you may be able to trick it into thinking your SB Live is a new card if you place it in a different PCI slot, in which case the default settings with the proper drivers should takle effect. Remember the SB Live will work best if you set its smapling rate to 48KHz. Assuming that you use the SB's standard drivers, you will have an audio latency of about three quarters of a second, which rules out playing VST Instrumenets as 750ms delay between pressing a key on your MIDI keyboard and hearing the sound is way too long to be feasible. However, you can use the onboard MIDI synth on the SB Live to compose the outline of what you want to do and then maybe use a VSTi with better more realistic sounds in its place when doing your final mix. The 750ms latency will also make it impossible to monitor what you've recorded properly with FX supplied by Cubase, so whilst you can monitor what you've already recorded, you need to monitor your guitar/voice or whatever for the next take before it hits the computer - i.e. at source, and Cubase will place the audio at the correct point to synchronise with the rest of your multi-track recording based on what it 'knows' about your sound card. This is called direct monitoring and basically it mixes what you are inputting with what's been recorded. This can be configured in Cubase in the Audio Device setup section. It's difficult to point you in a more exact direction as I don't really know enough about your system (OS, CPU, motherboard, memory, graphics card, other installed devices, other programs etc...), but I hope you've now cooled down and can start to logically address the issues your PC has currently got - preferably one step at a time (makes it easier in the long run to see exactly what the cause of a problem might be), although admittedly that approach can be tedious. Finally, you should be able to install ASIO4ALL without uninstalling your SB drivers and you should be able to switch to the ASIO4ALL driver inside Cubase, which should at least bring the latency down quite a bit for audio. I can't guarantee any of this will help you, but hopefully it should point you in roughly the right direction. Good luck Nick
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:14:38 -0000, "nickm" <> wrote: > >"Bas" <> wrote in message >news:... >> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:46:11 -0800 (PST), Wadeyboy >> <> wrote: >> >>>After the experience I've just had trying to install >>>these drivers, all I can say is avoid them like the plague! >> >> So let me get this straight: you are too much of an idiot to install >> KX drivers (much applauded worldwide since Soundblaster make good >> cards but impossible drivers) and now you shift the blame to THEM? >> Pathetic. >> >> Without KX, I would have dumped my Audigy card within 2 weeks of >> buying it. > >Well done and I'm happy for you that you managed to get your Audigy working >with the KX drivers, but there really is no need to be quite so aggressive >and rude to someone who has obviously been struggling with the installation >and is simply frustrated and is really asking for our help. Have you really >never experienced frustration with your PC? If you really have nothing >useful to add in a helpful way, why not just do what most other people who >don't have an answer do and make no comment at all? Oh yes, more than enough frustration. But 'avoid them like the plague' when they make teriffic drivers for free sounds a bit harsh. And: he's not asking for help, he's ranting.
> > Oh yes, more than enough frustration. > But 'avoid them like the plague' when they make teriffic drivers for > free sounds a bit harsh. > And: he's not asking for help, he's ranting. The problem with the KX drivers is that they don't work for everyone unfortunately. Yes, he was ranting to some extent, but I'd disagree with you about him asking for/requiring help - in reality that's what a lot of rants are about, and that's almost certainly one of his reasons for posting as well as making others aware that things don't necessarily always go as smoothly as you'd like. I'd agree with you that saying 'avoid like the plague' may be a bit OTT, as these drivers plainly do work for some, but when you reach the stage of 'hammer through screen' in frustration levels, emotions do tend to take over, so unless the post is openly abusive - which this wasn't, and if it is it's best to ignore, I'd prefer to chill, see the issue as objectively as possible and try and offer some sort of assistance personally. What you have to remember is that these news groups exist for everyone, and that includes those that have a fair bit of experience and those that don't. I work in IT and I don't pretend to know all the answers - it's impossible, but I do have a fair bit of experience of both the equipment and the people who are expected to operate it and I know where to start looking for answers. For someone who hasn't really used their PC for quite a long time to make music - as it appears is the case relating to the OP, things have changed quite a bit since audio recording became a possibility on the PC as I'm sure you'll appreciate, and unless you're into computers all day/every day or are a computing enthusiast, a lot of this stuff isn't particularly intuitive or easy. I just think a lot of these NG forums can boil over way too much. I simply thought your initial response to the OP was unnecessarily rude, and calling someone an idiot because the installation didn't work as it should have was out of order - that's all. This group is one of the better ones for giving support, although it's not that busy these days. Let's try and keep it supportive. All the best Nick
On Jan 29, 9:32 am, "nickm" <> wrote: > > Oh yes, more than enough frustration. > > But 'avoid them like the plague' when they make teriffic drivers for > > free sounds a bit harsh. > > And: he's not asking for help, he's ranting. > > The problem with the KX drivers is that they don't work for everyone > unfortunately. Yes, he was ranting to some extent, but I'd disagree with > you about him asking for/requiring help - in reality that's what a lot of > rants are about, and that's almost certainly one of his reasons for posting > as well as making others aware that things don't necessarily always go as > smoothly as you'd like. I'd agree with you that saying 'avoid like the > plague' may be a bit OTT, as these drivers plainly do work for some, but > when you reach the stage of 'hammer through screen' in frustration levels, > emotions do tend to take over, so unless the post is openly abusive - which > this wasn't, and if it is it's best to ignore, I'd prefer to chill, see the > issue as objectively as possible and try and offer some sort of assistance > personally. > > What you have to remember is that these news groups exist for everyone, and > that includes those that have a fair bit of experience and those that don't. > I work in IT and I don't pretend to know all the answers - it's impossible, > but I do have a fair bit of experience of both the equipment and the people > who are expected to operate it and I know where to start looking for > answers. For someone who hasn't really used their PC for quite a long time > to make music - as it appears is the case relating to the OP, things have > changed quite a bit since audio recording became a possibility on the PC as > I'm sure you'll appreciate, and unless you're into computers all day/every > day or are a computing enthusiast, a lot of this stuff isn't particularly > intuitive or easy. > > I just think a lot of these NG forums can boil over way too much. I simply > thought your initial response to the OP was unnecessarily rude, and calling > someone an idiot because the installation didn't work as it should have was > out of order - that's all. This group is one of the better ones for giving > support, although it's not that busy these days. Let's try and keep it > supportive. > > All the best > > Nick Thankyou very much guys for your help and support. It really is appreciated especially you Nick for taking so much time to give such a detailed, well thought out and extremely helpful reply. As I said, I'm just out of a wheelchair a matter of months after a very long battle against some serious injuries so I've only been trying to use a computer for making music for a few short months. In that time, I've turned to these home recording related newsgroups on a few occasions when I've come up against various problems. Everybody has always been so helpful and there are some very clever guys who really know their subject who have been good enough to give up some of their time to offer help. This Bas guy has been the only person who not only didn't offer any help, but chose to make ignorant, insulting remarks. I guess there always has to be one doesn't there? I know my original post was emotive and I should, with hindsight, have waited until I had calmed down a little before posting. However, I just wanted to warn anybody who may have been considering installing these drivers to be careful when installing them and I admit I shouldn't have said "avoid like the plague" as these drivers are being offered for free and no doubt are the result of some very hard work. I apologise to anybody who worked on the KX drivers for that but I was very frustrated at the time. But despite what this Bas guy said in his latest post about me "not asking for help," i think the line "Hopefully, somebody here can help me to get Cubase recognising my keyboard again" in my first post rather disproves this claim. He obviously doesn't take time to read something properly before he posts his offensive remarks. So thankyou all again everybody and I think people like this Bas should just be ignored. I've seen his kind before in other newsgroups and they all seem to get a kick out of starting 'flame wars' where everybody trades insults and this goes on and on for months. Thankfully, everybody else who use these home recording newsgroups are above all that.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:22:44 -0800 (PST), Wadeyboy <> wrote: >He obviously doesn't take time to read something >properly before he posts his offensive remarks. I read attentively, right up to 'avoid like the plague'. After that, I just couldn't be bothered to read any further. And if you did your homework, you'd have noticed that I am a rather frequent replyer, offering my 2 cents whenever appropriate.
On Jan 29, 11:49 pm, Bas <> wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:22:44 -0800 (PST), Wadeyboy > > <> wrote: > >He obviously doesn't take time to read something > >properly before he posts his offensive remarks. > > I read attentively, right up to 'avoid like the plague'. > After that, I just couldn't be bothered to read any further. > And if you did your homework, you'd have noticed that I am a rather > frequent replyer, offering my 2 cents whenever appropriate. So you hurl insults without even reading the whole of the post? Your "2 cents" is being negative and rude. Everybody else's "2 cents" is to offer help and advice.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:52:50 -0800, Wadeyboy wrote: > So you hurl insults without even reading the whole of the post? Your "2 > cents" is being negative and rude. Everybody else's "2 cents" is to > offer help and advice. Every newsgroup has a 'big man' or two. They become obsessed with their sense of self importance.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:52:50 -0800 (PST), Wadeyboy <> wrote: >On Jan 29, 11:49 pm, Bas <> wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:22:44 -0800 (PST), Wadeyboy >> >> <> wrote: >> >He obviously doesn't take time to read something >> >properly before he posts his offensive remarks. >> >> I read attentively, right up to 'avoid like the plague'. >> After that, I just couldn't be bothered to read any further. >> And if you did your homework, you'd have noticed that I am a rather >> frequent replyer, offering my 2 cents whenever appropriate. > >So you hurl insults without even reading the whole of the post? Your >"2 cents" is being negative and rude. Everybody else's "2 cents" is to >offer help and advice. You have it backwards: You wrote your post in such a manner that poeple don't take you seriously. I'm no psychiatrist, I'm a sound engineer/producer.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:51:59 GMT, Indelible Murtcepts <> wrote: >On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:52:50 -0800, Wadeyboy wrote: > >> So you hurl insults without even reading the whole of the post? Your "2 >> cents" is being negative and rude. Everybody else's "2 cents" is to >> offer help and advice. > >Every newsgroup has a 'big man' or two. They become obsessed with their >sense of self importance. > Wrong again: I'm no 'big man'. Just thankful to KX for making drivers that make a sound card do what it's supposed to do, when the manufacturer won't. So when someone starts ranting, I reply in kind. Why can he be offensive, but I can't?
>>So you hurl insults without even reading the whole of the post? Your >>"2 cents" is being negative and rude. Everybody else's "2 cents" is to >>offer help and advice. > > You have it backwards: You wrote your post in such a manner that > poeple don't take you seriously. > I'm no psychiatrist, I'm a sound engineer/producer. OK guys. Please. Let's leave it here. It's getting silly. Bas - yes you have tried to make useful contributions in the past. That's great. Given the long post originally submitted by the OP, it was obvious to me at least that he wanted some help - although it was a bit emotively requested and you had to apply some filtering to see what the issues actually were. As I said in a previous post in this thread, if there's nothing useful or positive to contribute, then there's no point commenting at all really - and this is a general comment not directed at anyone in particular - it's a waste of everyone's time and patience. It can sometimes be quite difficult to get the full intent or meaning of a message when it's only in text form,so that taken into account, why not just assume the poster is not out to get you as you would if you met them in person in a pub for the first time, and try to offer some support. That's (I think) the main point of news groups like this one. You don't have to be a psycho-analyst. You just need a bit of patience.
nickm wrote: >>> So you hurl insults without even reading the whole of the post? Your >>> "2 cents" is being negative and rude. Everybody else's "2 cents" is >>> to offer help and advice. >> >> You have it backwards: You wrote your post in such a manner that >> poeple don't take you seriously. >> I'm no psychiatrist, I'm a sound engineer/producer. > > OK guys. Please. Let's leave it here. It's getting silly. > > Bas - yes you have tried to make useful contributions in the past. That's > great. > > Given the long post originally submitted by the OP, it was obvious to > me at least that he wanted some help - although it was a bit > emotively requested and you had to apply some filtering to see what > the issues actually were. > As I said in a previous post in this thread, if there's nothing > useful or positive to contribute, then there's no point commenting at > all really - and this is a general comment not directed at anyone in > particular - it's a waste of everyone's time and patience. > > It can sometimes be quite difficult to get the full intent or meaning > of a message when it's only in text form,so that taken into account, > why not just assume the poster is not out to get you as you would if > you met them in person in a pub for the first time, and try to offer > some support. That's (I think) the main point of news groups like > this one. > You don't have to be a psycho-analyst. You just need a bit of > patience. But, if you are a psychoanalyst you also need patients. -- Ray UK
>> You don't have to be a psycho-analyst. You just need a bit of >> patience. > > But, if you are a psychoanalyst you also need patients. > LOL Damn! I never thought of that one. Very good. Credit where it's due. That WAS a useful contribution. This thread needed lightening up. You should be on the stage I think there's one leaving in ten minutes..... (the old ones are.... well old... I'll get my coat.... )
