Out of the blue, I received the gift of a brand new i7 laptop from my Bass Player. I have spent the last 36 hours trying to get Sonar 8.5 to work on it AND I AM GIVING UP FOR THE NIGHT. This thing came with Windows 7 64bit OS and 4GB RAM. Onboard sound courtesy of Realtec. I installed SPE 8.5 and unpacked a bun file of a project that I have been working on for my band. It sounded like crap. (we aren't very good musicians but the sounds that I recorded on my old WIN XP machine sounded OK) The playback sounded like I was listening to the music on an old AM radio, sitting in a Volkswager Beetle with a bad set o' plug wires. Continuous popping through out the playback, regardless of the number of tracks enabled. I checked the settings and discovered that Realtec was not running an ASIO driver. I then installed ASIO for All and the sound smoothed out. It sounded just fine. I was quite happy. Then I deceided to try recording a new track into the piece so I went to insert my firewire card from my old laptop and, it was too wide. I went out and got a SIIG FireWire ExpressCard and plugged it in. Win 7 said that all was well. I installed the driver for my daughter's ProFire 2626 interface and rebooted with the card and interface all plugged in and it looked OK from the ProFire control panel. I connected a Kaossilator and started it looping, then opened Sonar and tried to find the input that I could see quite clearly in the M-Audio ProFire application. There was no love to be found. I could only see odd numbered inputs and none of them showed any activity in the level meter. I then thought to try to input a MIDI track. I installed the Win7 64bit driver for my Edirol PCR-300 keyboard and again no love. only the BSOD Has anyone out there ever tried using a rig like this? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Papa Homer Toshiba A665 Laptop SIIG FireWire Express Card M-Audio ProFire 2626 Audio Interface Roland Edirol PCR-300 Midi Keyboard PS, Propellerheads Reason works just fine with the same Keyboard and ASIO4All driver.
Did you try rerunning Sonar's audio device profiler? It will switch back to WDM from ASIO but it may find the new devices...? -- Sue Morton "PapaHomer" wrote: > I connected a Kaossilator and started it looping, then opened Sonar > and tried to find the input that I could see quite clearly in the > M-Audio ProFire application. > There was no love to be found. I could only see odd numbered inputs > and none of them showed any activity in the level meter. > I then thought to try to input a MIDI track. > I installed the Win7 64bit driver for my Edirol PCR-300 keyboard and > again no love. only the BSOD
"Sue Morton" <> wrote in message news:i4c366$ec3$-september.org... > Did you try rerunning Sonar's audio device profiler? It will switch back > to WDM from ASIO but it may find the new devices...? > -- > Sue Morton > Hello Sue. I am both honored and grateful for your reply. You have shared much knowledge here in past posts and I have always enjoyed reading them. I did try these things you suggest before giving up for the night. No new devices were found. After a few hours of sleep I installed Propellerheads Record 1.0 and saw something interesting. I was able to select the M-Audio ASIO driver in the Audio preferences window and it returned a nice green checkmark, indicating success. Before I could return to the main program window, however, an error message popped up stating that the driver had stopped, (almost as if it was interrupted from working?????) That got me thinking. even though I am a relative 64bit neophyte, I hoped that the new Windows7 shares in the IBM legacy of system architecture. I checked IRQ assignments and found that the ExpressCard was sharing and interrupt with something else but could not modify the setting of the ExpressCard. I will try tonight to see if I can reassign or disable the conflicting device and report the results here. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Papa Homer
Thank you for your kind words I'm glad to hear I've been of some value here. Unfortunately I haven't used Sonar much in the last couple of years so I'm way behind the curve when it comes to helping out on Sonar issues these days. And I've not ever tried to run it from 64-bit W7 (laptop or no). So others here are more suited to helping you, if they have any ideas about this. My dual-boot systems are still XP Pro 32-bit to W7 Pro 32-bit, exactly because of driver support problems for some of my hardware. It sounds to me like you are on the right, if frustrating, track... keep looking into drivers specifically for 64-bit W7 if possible. That may sus out the entire issue if you can get good ones that work. Also, Sonar creates a file AUD.INI (location varies with OS and preferences, search for it). This contains wave profiler data and other info. It is safe to shut Sonar down, rename this file, then launch Sonar again and it will go through the profile automatically as well as create this file again with default values. Sometimes this works better than just running the profiler again, so worth a try IMO. You can always delete the new file that was created and rename the old one back into place, as it contains some preference settings as well. There is a file for midi as well, it doesn't have to do with audio device discovery, but it does have parameters that govern midi interactions. Sorry, I don't have Sonar installed right now and the name of this file escapes me... :-/ I hope someone else can chime in on this for you. Good luck, I hope you get it sorted soon. -- Sue Morton "Papa Homer" <> wrote in message news:i4cf9s$um7$... > > "Sue Morton" <> wrote in message > news:i4c366$ec3$-september.org... >> Did you try rerunning Sonar's audio device profiler? It will switch >> back to WDM from ASIO but it may find the new devices...? >> -- >> Sue Morton >> > Hello Sue. > > I am both honored and grateful for your reply. > You have shared much knowledge here in past posts and I have always > enjoyed reading them. > > I did try these things you suggest before giving up for the night. > No new devices were found. > > After a few hours of sleep I installed Propellerheads Record 1.0 and > saw something interesting. > > I was able to select the M-Audio ASIO driver in the Audio preferences > window and it returned a nice green checkmark, indicating success. > Before I could return to the main program window, however, an error > message popped up stating that the driver had stopped, (almost as if > it was interrupted from working?????) > > That got me thinking. even though I am a relative 64bit neophyte, I > hoped that the new Windows7 shares in the IBM legacy of system > architecture. > > I checked IRQ assignments and found that the ExpressCard was sharing > and interrupt with something else but could not modify the setting of > the ExpressCard. > > I will try tonight to see if I can reassign or disable the conflicting > device and report the results here. > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts. > Papa Homer > >
In news:i4crpn$jat$-september.org the killer robot "Sue Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > There is a file for midi as well, it doesn't have to do with audio > device discovery, but it does have parameters that govern midi > interactions. Sorry, I don't have Sonar installed right now and the > name of this file escapes me... :-/ I hope someone else can chime in on > this for you. Have you totally gone to the dark side Sue? <EvilGrin> Is the file in question, TTSSEQ.INI ? Although I exclusively use Reaper for new projects, I still have five versions of Sonar still installed on my machine. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! As usual, I was overthinking the situation. I looked into the shared IRQ issue and found that I could disable the PCI Express Root Port 3 that was the other item using the same IRQ as the FireWire ExpressCard but they both dissappeared. That didn't help. I took another look at the M-Audio contrrol panel and found that the portion of the Routing tab that allowed the ports to be turned on and off was pulsating between "available" and "grayed out". Like the driver was being toggled off and on. Very strange indeed! I continued poking around and came across a troubleshooting wizard that resulted in testing Sonar in Vista Compatibility Mode. It worked as soon as I tried it. Such a simple fix, I should have tried it first. (actually I did try running in Win-XP SP3 mode but it did no good, so I gave up before trying the other options) Vista mode made Propellerheads' Record work too. Amazing. Off to bed now, I have 33 Win7 PCs to configure and ship out from work tomorrow (should finish at least two or three...) As well as all the calls from the users that have received their new machines already and can't figure out how to get to their E-mail...
Thanks yes! That's the filename I couldn't recall. No, not off to the "dark side", Reaper's midi support is still not usable for me. Sadly that's not the reason though. I haven't done music work most of this year due to my employer's schedule. I've been working heavy overtime since March (lowest week is 68 hours and I've hit my record of 83 hours in a week, several times). We're understaffed 4 positions and there's a hiring freeze for 2010 :-( -- Sue Morton "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9DD6DEA77DC83BrownShoesDontMakeIt@85.214.73.210... > Have you totally gone to the dark side Sue? <EvilGrin> > > Is the file in question, TTSSEQ.INI ? > > Although I exclusively use Reaper for new projects, I still > have five versions of Sonar still installed on my machine.
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! I was just coming in here to suggest trying compatibility mode for the drivers if you hadn't already. My experience is: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :-/ Great news it worked for you. Onward! -- Sue Morton "PapaHomer" <> wrote in message news:i4dh51$ci$... > As usual, I was overthinking the situation. > I looked into the shared IRQ issue and found that I could disable the > PCI Express Root Port 3 that was the other item using the same IRQ as > the FireWire ExpressCard but they both dissappeared. > That didn't help. I took another look at the M-Audio contrrol panel > and found that the portion of the Routing tab that allowed the ports > to be turned on and off was pulsating between "available" and "grayed > out". Like the driver was being toggled off and on. Very strange > indeed! > I continued poking around and came across a troubleshooting wizard > that resulted in testing Sonar in Vista Compatibility Mode. > It worked as soon as I tried it. > Such a simple fix, I should have tried it first. > (actually I did try running in Win-XP SP3 mode but it did no good, so > I gave up before trying the other options) > > Vista mode made Propellerheads' Record work too. Amazing. > Off to bed now, I have 33 Win7 PCs to configure and ship out from work > tomorrow (should finish at least two or three...) > As well as all the calls from the users that have received their new > machines already and can't figure out how to get to their E-mail... > > > >
The killer robot "Sue Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Thanks yes! That's the filename I couldn't recall. > > No, not off to the "dark side", Reaper's midi support is still not > usable for me. Sadly that's not the reason though. I haven't done > music work most of this year due to my employer's schedule. I've been > working heavy overtime since March (lowest week is 68 hours and I've hit > my record of 83 hours in a week, several times). We're understaffed 4 > positions and there's a hiring freeze for 2010 :-( Sounds like you need to reduce employee productivity, and S T R E T C H jobs out, so they will say, damn, we have more work than our current staff can keep up with, we need to hire some more people. Unless of course, you don't mind all the overtime. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! On 17/08/2010 13:41, Sue Morton wrote: > I was just coming in here to suggest trying compatibility mode for the > drivers if you hadn't already. My experience is: Sometimes it works, > sometimes it doesn't :-/ Great news it worked for you. Onward! (serious question, not sarcastic comment) How do you do compatibility mode for drivers? I know how to do it for programs - but I've never heard of using it for drivers... -- =========== John Braner http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
Ha ha. Actually they're already saying we need more people but unless the freeze is lifted by Corporate there will be no new warm bodies. Or even cold ones :-/ And yes I do mind all the overtime. A little here and there is fine, but a 'steady diet' for five months and no end in sight is sending me toward burnout... -- Sue Morton "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9DD75683ADF27BrownShoesDontMakeIt@81.169.183.62... > Sounds like you need to reduce employee productivity, > and S T R E T C H jobs out, so they will say, > damn, we have more work than our current staff can > keep up with, we need to hire some more people. > > Unless of course, you don't mind all the overtime.
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! It's actually not directly on the driver, but on the driver installation program. If you're just right clicking an INF and choosing install you're probably SOL! -- Sue Morton "John Braner" <> wrote in message news:i4erph$h9d$-september.org... > On 17/08/2010 13:41, Sue Morton wrote: >> I was just coming in here to suggest trying compatibility mode for >> the >> drivers if you hadn't already. My experience is: Sometimes it works, >> sometimes it doesn't :-/ Great news it worked for you. Onward! > > (serious question, not sarcastic comment) > How do you do compatibility mode for drivers? I know how to do it for > programs - but I've never heard of using it for drivers... > > -- > =========== > John Braner > > > http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner > http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! On 18/08/2010 04:48, Sue Morton wrote: > It's actually not directly on the driver, but on the driver installation > program. If you're just right clicking an INF and choosing install > you're probably SOL! Oh OK - I thought I was missing something. I presume that is the same for FAT32 or NTFS? ;-) -- =========== John Braner http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
On 18/08/2010 04:45, Sue Morton wrote: > toward burnout... "Toward burnout"? I'd be toasted by then. I'm afraid I'm with Glennbo - just don't do it. If nothing gets done, sooner or later "corporate" (whoever the hell that is) will realise their company is going down the toilet - and *maybe* (in between rounds of golf, and reading the Financial Times) do something about it. (like lift the freeze) -- =========== John Braner http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
The killer robot "Sue Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Ha ha. Actually they're already saying we need more people but unless > the freeze is lifted by Corporate there will be no new warm bodies. Or > even cold ones :-/ > > And yes I do mind all the overtime. A little here and there is fine, > but a 'steady diet' for five months and no end in sight is sending me > toward burnout... 40 hours a week plus some gigging on the weekend is all I can take. Any more than that, I'd prolly be punching somebody's lights out, and then working zero hours per week. I can only explain to certified IT guys how to map stuff on networks so many times before my head explodes. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! What would be the point of compatibility mode on FAT32? -- Sue Morton "John Braner" <> wrote in message news:i4g6j7$18r$-september.org... > On 18/08/2010 04:48, Sue Morton wrote: >> It's actually not directly on the driver, but on the driver >> installation >> program. If you're just right clicking an INF and choosing install >> you're probably SOL! > > Oh OK - I thought I was missing something. > > I presume that is the same for FAT32 or NTFS? ;-)
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! The killer robot "Sue Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > What would be the point of compatibility mode on FAT32? To access 2 bit apps? -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
You're absolutely right, I do have a choice and I could just stop cooperating. But I will need to have another job lined up before I try that, as I'll only get to do it once :-/ I've been here 30 years and this aspect doesn't change, just the people do. -- Sue Morton "John Braner" <> wrote in message news:i4g6qb$18r$-september.org... > On 18/08/2010 04:45, Sue Morton wrote: >> toward burnout... > > "Toward burnout"? I'd be toasted by then. I'm afraid I'm with > Glennbo - just don't do it. If nothing gets done, sooner or later > "corporate" (whoever the hell that is) will realise their company is > going down the toilet - and *maybe* (in between rounds of golf, and > reading the Financial Times) do something about it. (like lift the > freeze) > > -- > =========== > John Braner > > > http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner > http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner >
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! Bwwwaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Sue Morton "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9DD894E4B4484BrownShoesDontMakeIt@81.169.183.62... > The killer robot "Sue Morton" <> grabbed the > controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >> What would be the point of compatibility mode on FAT32? > > To access 2 bit apps?
Re: New Win 7 64bit Notebook for Papa Homer - It Works NOW!!! On 18/08/2010 20:40, Sue Morton wrote: > Bwwwaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!! No - just to give me another excuse to bugger up my system! ;-) -- =========== John Braner http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
