It's interesting how news is getting delivered these days. In this particular case, I heard about Cakewalk's new SONAR announcement from a link posting from their Facebook page, which came across my status line since I "Like" them. Well, it's a little later than usual, but they just announced the new SONAR, which is called SONAR X1. They're billing it as a "reimagining" and "DAW 2.0". It's not actually available yet, with upgrade orders for current customers to begin on December 8th, though new customers can buy SONAR 8.5 now and get a free upgrade to the relevant version of SONAR X1 via download when it is available. So, what is it, and is it likely to be worth it? The upgrade price is relevant, and the good news there is that it looks like it is a $99 upgrade from SONAR 8.5 Producer. There are a variety of other price points for coming from other versions of SONAR, and there are also three levels of SONAR X1, those being Producer (list price $399), Studio (list price $199), and Essential (list price $99). Interestingly it looks like they've made Studio more or less equivalent to the engine component of current SONAR Producer, specifically including surround sound, which was not previously included in Studio, but not the extra bundled effects and instruments like Dimension Pro, Session Drummer 3, and the new ProChannel. The more stripped down Essentials version doesn't include Surround, and has minimal instruments and plug-ins, and is further limited to 32-bits (i.e. at the application level -- I don't know if that also means at the audio bus bandwidth level) and a limitation of 64 audio tracks, but does include the step sequencer and Matrix View still (and I believe Matrix View is Producer-only in SONAR 8.5). Here's a link to the Producer page: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/X1-Producer.aspx And here's a link to the comparison chart for the different versions: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/X1-Comparison-Chart.aspx Before getting to what I'm grokking of the new features to this point, I'm going to mention one thing I was explicitly looking for, but did not see, and this is notation enhancements. In fact, in watching the videos on these, I didn't even seen any notation, though it's at least conceivable I could have missed a brief appearance somewhere. This made me wonder if maybe this new version was dropping notation altogether, in which case I might have ended up having to consider a switch to another platform, such as Cubase. However, I did find a graphic of a portion of the UI that showed entering lyrics into a notation view, so it does appear that there still is at least some level of notation view. (I'm guessing the same as it currently has, though I've never used lyrics in SONAR's notation view, so I can't vouch for that.) What mainly does seem to be there is a few key architectural and user interface enhancements that appear to be designed at improving efficiency and streamlining workflow. Some of the specific things mentioned are things that have been on some of our wish lists (or lists of complaints with current SONAR) for awhile. To give one quick example, they now have FX chains, which can be inserted and moved around FX bins just like single plug-in effects. The biggest thing, at least visually, in the overhaul is something they are calling Skylight. They introduce it by saying, "constantly shuffling and resizing lots of floating windows is so last decade." Well, the video for Skylight looks to me like it still involves managing a bunch of windows or window areas, albeit with some better intelligence, perhaps similar in concept to the Windows 7 advances for doing things like getting windows to precisely fill up the full screen or a half of the screen and/or do intelligent docking, plus making screen layout presets more accessible. There is something called a multi-dock, which reminds me of the current tabbed view where the Synth Rack, bus pane, and various other things can go, though it now doesn't necessarily have to be docked, and can be put on another monitor if you like. I'm not sure if it does bus pane duties (I don't recall seeing that), but it can definitely do mixer pane duties, notation duties, piano roll duties, instrument plug-in UI duties, and more. The interface to its various components seems a bit more like Windows task bar pane selection than the current tabs. The Inspector seems to be enhanced significantly, making more information easier to access. From the videos and graphics, it somehow feels both more powerful and more streamlined, which would seem like a contradiction. In one of the views they showed, there were two track strips, or at least what visually looked like that, while in other views there was just a single Producer-only ProChannel (more on that below) strip. One key thing is that the Inspector can now be expanded or collapsed and floated, or docked. There is also a new Browser, which is billed as "all your content unified." What is content here? Well, as best I can tell it can be anything from loops to projects to plug-ins to FX chains to track templates. It can also be floated or docked, as well as resized, and it appears there may be some filter buttons or tab-type controls to select what you are browsing at a given point. Then the other key thing they mention with respect to Skylight is Screensets, which are screen layouts that can be saved and recalled via the Control Bar (see below) or keyboard. This seems to me to be very much like the screen layouts that SONAR has had for some time, albeit possibly more accessible. Beyond Skylight, perhaps one of the most useful looking things (at least from what I've seen thus far in the videos and trying to read into my own SONAR usage patterns and frustrations for how these may help) is something they're calling Smart Tools, which they bill as "work smarter, not harder." Basically, it seems like they may have dramatically streamlined the cursor-type tools, making things more context-sensitive and avoiding a good deal of the need to switch tools. If there is any single feature that makes me most likely to upgrade as soon as they start letting me order the upgrade, this would be it. They have a new Control Bar, which looks a lot like a cross between the current toolbars and the transport from a conceptual perspective, albeit more elegant in visual appearance. It is modular and rearrangeable, similar to current toolbars. It can also be docked and floated, and expanded and contracted. It's not clear to me whether it will let you float individual modules, or put some modules in one place and others in another place, like can currently be done with SONAR's individually floatable/dockable toolbars. Whether this is a good thing or not may depend no how you like to use these. How it will interact with my usage patterns in this area is probably one of my bigger concerns with SONAR X1's UI overhaul. In general, there just seems to be a lot more of a drag and drop, and drag and dock, orientation. Not only can you drag and drop loops, but also templates, effects, and even user interface elements. And it looks like it is possible to resize things, and bring things in and out of view, more efficiently. Perhaps there will be less confusion on where to find what you need at any given moment? One somewhat random thing I noticed in the videos: People here have been talking about how some DAWs redraw a waveform clip when you add a fade. It looks like SONAR X1 will have that capability. One other potential biggie, which is a Producer-only thing is called ProChannel, which they are billing as "mix on a professional console any big studio would envy." What it looks like is an enhanced channel strip, complete with analog-style VU meters, as well as a built-in compressor, equalizers, and tube saturator. While they don't drop any names, they imply that the processors built into this thing are probably modeled on classic professional consoles, and one possible hint they drop might lead me to believe the compressor might be modeled on SSL. I note the equalizer has three different modes, labeled "Pure", "Vintage", and "Modern". One interesting thing in the video was that you could use the same controls in all of this, but switching the modes (i.e. without switching the frequency, Q, or level controls) modified the visual representation of the EQ. You can also drag and drop the modules in the ProChannel strip to change the order of effects within them. Part of the pitch here is that the ProChannel expands SONAR's console with "big, epic pro-studio sound built right into every channel." That idea appears to be targeting less need to use plug-ins for channel strip functionality. If the quality is really good, this could itself improve productivity for mixing. The bottom line for me is that, given the upgrade from my current SONAR 8.5 Producer software is only $99, this seems like a no brainer upgrade. My main hope in it is that it will be a big help on the workflow front, especially in terms of having to manually switch cursor tools less frequently, but also very possibly in terms of the efficiency in dealing with effects chains, track templates, and maybe even user interface views. A secondary hope is that, if the ProChannel really is good, it might also either help on the sound front or make for more efficient mixing or both. Unfortunately, it looks like they still aren't doing anything to improve the notation capabilities. (As a side note, I recently ordered an upgrade from Allegro 2007 to Finale 2011, and some of the advanced features that upgrade brings may well make it easier to just use a dedicated notation program when my arranging needs for notation go beyond SONAR's capabilities. However, that upgrade was not meant to cover deficiencies in SONAR, but rather to help address a number of issues I'd been having with Allegro work flow that seem to be addressed in this latest version of Finale, and it also appears that Make Music is now dropping Allegro as a product level, going straight from the lower end Print Music to Finale.) As for anyone else, I'd be very interested to hear what others who have been complaining about the enhancements mostly being plug-ins and such think about this upgrade. In this particular case, I didn't see anything that looked like a plug-in, other than to the degree that ProChannel could possibly be that under the hood in the same way the Sonitus FX:equalizer has been under the hood of the current SONAR Console EQ. Rick ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: http://www.RickPaul.info Studio: http://studio.RickPaul.info =======================================
On 11/1/2010 12:26 PM, Rick Paul wrote: > It's interesting how news is getting delivered these days. In this > particular case, I heard about Cakewalk's new SONAR announcement from a link > posting from their Facebook page, which came across my status line since I > "Like" them. > > Well, it's a little later than usual, but they just announced the new SONAR, > which is called SONAR X1. They're billing it as a "reimagining" and "DAW > 2.0". It's not actually available yet, with upgrade orders for current > customers to begin on December 8th, though new customers can buy SONAR 8.5 > now and get a free upgrade to the relevant version of SONAR X1 via download > when it is available. > > So, what is it, and is it likely to be worth it? > It actually looks like a decrapified version of Sonar. I actually like the GUI on this.
Brando has been on the forum answering some queries some may share on here. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=2119442&mpage=2 I sometimes get the feeling this forum has become a reaper forum and should be re-named accordingly. Steve "kitekrazy" wrote in message news:ianeru$fat$-september.org... On 11/1/2010 12:26 PM, Rick Paul wrote: > It's interesting how news is getting delivered these days. In this > particular case, I heard about Cakewalk's new SONAR announcement from a > link > posting from their Facebook page, which came across my status line since I > "Like" them. > > Well, it's a little later than usual, but they just announced the new > SONAR, > which is called SONAR X1. They're billing it as a "reimagining" and "DAW > 2.0". It's not actually available yet, with upgrade orders for current > customers to begin on December 8th, though new customers can buy SONAR 8.5 > now and get a free upgrade to the relevant version of SONAR X1 via > download > when it is available. > > So, what is it, and is it likely to be worth it? > It actually looks like a decrapified version of Sonar. I actually like the GUI on this.
Thanks for the forum link. That provides some good additional info, and also a pointer to a first look from Sound On Sound at: http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=13339 One thing I just caught in looking through Brandon's info along with the SOS review was that the SSL hint I was detecting was specifically for ProChannel as applied to a bus. When it's applied to a track it is a UA 1176 hint. I also learned that they made a few very minor tweaks to Staff View, but nothing along the lines of what I've been asking for. Brandon did at least recognize that Staff View is important to some people, though, and hinted there could be further improvements to that under Skylight in the future. Maybe there is hope yet. SONAR X2, X3, X...??? anyone? Rick ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: http://www.RickPaul.info Studio: http://studio.RickPaul.info ======================================= "Steve Corr" wrote in message news:ianikn$svc$... Brando has been on the forum answering some queries some may share on here. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=2119442&mpage=2 I sometimes get the feeling this forum has become a reaper forum and should be re-named accordingly. Steve "kitekrazy" wrote in message news:ianeru$fat$-september.org... On 11/1/2010 12:26 PM, Rick Paul wrote: > It's interesting how news is getting delivered these days. In this > particular case, I heard about Cakewalk's new SONAR announcement from a > link > posting from their Facebook page, which came across my status line since I > "Like" them. > > Well, it's a little later than usual, but they just announced the new > SONAR, > which is called SONAR X1. They're billing it as a "reimagining" and "DAW > 2.0". It's not actually available yet, with upgrade orders for current > customers to begin on December 8th, though new customers can buy SONAR 8.5 > now and get a free upgrade to the relevant version of SONAR X1 via > download > when it is available. > > So, what is it, and is it likely to be worth it? > It actually looks like a decrapified version of Sonar. I actually like the GUI on this.
Yeah I got the feeling that skylight was some kind of frame work around which there will be much future development. I wont upgrade till the new year though. A pair of genelec 8020a's are first on the list for Christmas, plus I just got a fantastic deal on BFD Eco and expansion pack. I'll post a link in separate thread. Steve "Rick Paul" wrote in message news:... Thanks for the forum link. That provides some good additional info, and also a pointer to a first look from Sound On Sound at: http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=13339 One thing I just caught in looking through Brandon's info along with the SOS review was that the SSL hint I was detecting was specifically for ProChannel as applied to a bus. When it's applied to a track it is a UA 1176 hint. I also learned that they made a few very minor tweaks to Staff View, but nothing along the lines of what I've been asking for. Brandon did at least recognize that Staff View is important to some people, though, and hinted there could be further improvements to that under Skylight in the future. Maybe there is hope yet. SONAR X2, X3, X...??? anyone? Rick ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: http://www.RickPaul.info Studio: http://studio.RickPaul.info ======================================= "Steve Corr" wrote in message news:ianikn$svc$... Brando has been on the forum answering some queries some may share on here. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=2119442&mpage=2 I sometimes get the feeling this forum has become a reaper forum and should be re-named accordingly. Steve "kitekrazy" wrote in message news:ianeru$fat$-september.org... On 11/1/2010 12:26 PM, Rick Paul wrote: > It's interesting how news is getting delivered these days. In this > particular case, I heard about Cakewalk's new SONAR announcement from a > link > posting from their Facebook page, which came across my status line since I > "Like" them. > > Well, it's a little later than usual, but they just announced the new > SONAR, > which is called SONAR X1. They're billing it as a "reimagining" and "DAW > 2.0". It's not actually available yet, with upgrade orders for current > customers to begin on December 8th, though new customers can buy SONAR 8.5 > now and get a free upgrade to the relevant version of SONAR X1 via > download > when it is available. > > So, what is it, and is it likely to be worth it? > It actually looks like a decrapified version of Sonar. I actually like the GUI on this.
< In fact, in watching the videos on these, I didn't even seen any notation> That's because nobody who uses Sonar can read music -- Regards, Ted Perlman Producer-Arranger-Guitarist-Composer-Engineer www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
The killer robot "Ted Perlman" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > < In fact, in watching the videos on these, I didn't even seen any > notation> > > That's because nobody who uses Sonar can read music I think the reel deel is that the people who work at Cakewalk are *not* the ones who wrote the original notataion software that's in Sonar. The guy who wrote "Overture" I believe is who wrote that, and he's no longer a Cake employee. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
Glennbo wrote: > The killer robot "Ted Perlman" <> grabbed the > controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > > > < In fact, in watching the videos on these, I didn't even seen any > > notation> > > > > That's because nobody who uses Sonar can read music > > I think the reel deel is that the people who work at Cakewalk are not > the ones who wrote the original notataion software that's in Sonar. > The guy who wrote "Overture" I believe is who wrote that, and he's no > longer a Cake employee. I used to think Cakewalk was going to incorporate Overture into their flagship product. Clearly they didn't. I stayed with Overture (GenieSoft) and am fixing to upgrade from 3 to 4 real soon. Version 4 fully support VSTs. -- On the flip-side, Ben
"Ted Perlman" <> wrote in message news:ib9kre$rck$-september.org... > < In fact, in watching the videos on these, I didn't even seen any > notation> > > That's because nobody who uses Sonar can read music ROTF ! ! ! Poly
On 09/11/2010 11:50, polymod wrote: > "Ted Perlman"<> wrote in message > news:ib9kre$rck$-september.org... >> < In fact, in watching the videos on these, I didn't even seen any >> notation> >> >> That's because nobody who uses Sonar can read music > > ROTF ! ! ! > > Poly > > Is that 32 bit music or 64 bit music? -- =========== John Braner http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
<Is that 32 bit music or 64 bit music?> Years ago I received an email from BRILLIANT film composer Thomas Newman (Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, etc., etc...). He saw some of my posts at the Cakewalk Newsgroups and reached out to me for help using Sonar. We exchanged a few emails and then he changed his address and we lost touch. Hopefully he's now using a different software, because the one thing he and I had in common (besides the ability to read music) was that neither one of us could figure out how to use Sonar -- Regards, Ted Perlman Producer-Arranger-Guitarist-Composer-Engineer www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
If he was trying to do orchestral stuff in SONAR, I can see why he'd have troubles since that stuff tends to be much more heavily dependent on notation capabilities. I think that is why so many film composers were using Digital Performer at one point as, from what I gathered, it's been decent for that stuff for a long time. My impression is that Cubase and even Pro Tools have come a long way on that stuff, too. Unfortunately, SONAR's notation is still pretty much where it was back in Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 (which was my first entry into Cakewalk software). For my part, I don't do much in the way of orchestral stuff, or even stuff with complex enough arrangements that I need notation entry very frequently. SONAR's notation is okay for just inspecting parts to help hone in on bad notes and such. It's when I need to do something more involved, like a brass section or a string quartet in the context of a pop arrangement, that I end up having to work around the limitations, mostly by going to my notation program and doing the trickier bits of the arranging there. Rick ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: http://www.RickPaul.info Studio: http://studio.RickPaul.info ======================================= "Ted Perlman" wrote in message news:ibde6u$jhv$-september.org... <Is that 32 bit music or 64 bit music?> Years ago I received an email from BRILLIANT film composer Thomas Newman (Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, etc., etc...). He saw some of my posts at the Cakewalk Newsgroups and reached out to me for help using Sonar. We exchanged a few emails and then he changed his address and we lost touch. Hopefully he's now using a different software, because the one thing he and I had in common (besides the ability to read music) was that neither one of us could figure out how to use Sonar -- Regards, Ted Perlman Producer-Arranger-Guitarist-Composer-Engineer www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
On 10/11/2010 06:28, Ted Perlman wrote: > <Is that 32 bit music or 64 bit music?> > > Years ago I received an email from BRILLIANT film composer Thomas Newman > (Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, etc., etc...). He saw some of my > posts at the Cakewalk Newsgroups and reached out to me for help using Sonar. > We exchanged a few emails and then he changed his address and we lost touch. > Hopefully he's now using a different software, because the one thing he and > I had in common (besides the ability to read music) was that neither one of > us could figure out how to use Sonar > > > I guess he had to re-learn how to read 64 bit music? I think 64 bit music uses two staves, and has added the notes H, I and J. -- =========== John Braner http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
The killer robot "Ted Perlman" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > <Is that 32 bit music or 64 bit music?> > > Years ago I received an email from BRILLIANT film composer Thomas > Newman (Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, etc., etc...). He saw > some of my posts at the Cakewalk Newsgroups and reached out to me for > help using Sonar. We exchanged a few emails and then he changed his > address and we lost touch. Hopefully he's now using a different > software, because the one thing he and I had in common (besides the > ability to read music) was that neither one of us could figure out how > to use Sonar It's easy Ted. First, you gotta buy a whole new computer and soundcard, because your computer and soundcard are not up to the task of running Sonar. You need at least a 12 core, 6.8Ghz machine, and you can't have any internet, firewall, antivirus, word processing, spreadsheet, or any other programs or software running, or you'll get pops and snaps. Then, you'll need to turn off every service in Windows to ensure that no other software can run on your dedicated DAW. Finally, you will need a 6TB HD or larger to store the additional content, which includes whole songs done as loops, so that you can just drag-n-drop one onto a track, and then "hey, I'm like totally finished with my new song!!!". <g> -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
The killer robot John Braner <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... >> Years ago I received an email from BRILLIANT film composer Thomas >> Newman (Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, etc., etc...). He >> saw some of my posts at the Cakewalk Newsgroups and reached out to me >> for help using Sonar. We exchanged a few emails and then he changed >> his address and we lost touch. Hopefully he's now using a different >> software, because the one thing he and I had in common (besides the >> ability to read music) was that neither one of us could figure out >> how to use Sonar >> >> >> > > I guess he had to re-learn how to read 64 bit music? > I think 64 bit music uses two staves, and has added the notes H, I and > J. Zat like 32 bits per stave? -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
"Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9E2C59030391DBrownShoesDontMakeIt@81.169.183.62... > The killer robot "Ted Perlman" <> grabbed the controls > of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > > > <Is that 32 bit music or 64 bit music?> > > > > Years ago I received an email from BRILLIANT film composer Thomas > > Newman (Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, etc., etc...). He saw > > some of my posts at the Cakewalk Newsgroups and reached out to me for > > help using Sonar. We exchanged a few emails and then he changed his > > address and we lost touch. Hopefully he's now using a different > > software, because the one thing he and I had in common (besides the > > ability to read music) was that neither one of us could figure out how > > to use Sonar > > It's easy Ted. First, you gotta buy a whole new computer and soundcard, > because your computer and soundcard are not up to the task of running > Sonar. You need at least a 12 core, 6.8Ghz machine, and you can't have > any internet, firewall, antivirus, word processing, spreadsheet, or any > other programs or software running, or you'll get pops and snaps. Then, > you'll need to turn off every service in Windows to ensure that no other > software can run on your dedicated DAW. Finally, you will need a 6TB HD > or larger to store the additional content, which includes whole songs > done as loops, so that you can just drag-n-drop one onto a track, and > then "hey, I'm like totally finished with my new song!!!". <g> Ya' know, it's funny. Years ago I used a program called Musicator, that was giving me fits. I didn't want to dump the program as I like it's Notation abilities (great for doing all sorts of tuplets and polyrhythms..it was able to divide the beat *or* measure by practically any number). And still do. I started looking for a program that was more "solid". I downloaded a bunch of demos (Sonar, Cubase, a few others) and found that Sonar was the most stable of them all. And I still feel that way. I've had great results using Sonar and I know the program like the back of my hand. To each his own. Poly
The killer robot "polymod" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... >> > Years ago I received an email from BRILLIANT film composer Thomas >> > Newman (Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, etc., etc...). He >> > saw some of my posts at the Cakewalk Newsgroups and reached out to >> > me for help using Sonar. We exchanged a few emails and then he >> > changed his address and we lost touch. Hopefully he's now using a >> > different software, because the one thing he and I had in common >> > (besides the ability to read music) was that neither one of us >> > could figure out how to use Sonar >> >> It's easy Ted. First, you gotta buy a whole new computer and >> soundcard, because your computer and soundcard are not up to the task >> of running Sonar. You need at least a 12 core, 6.8Ghz machine, and >> you can't have any internet, firewall, antivirus, word processing, >> spreadsheet, or any other programs or software running, or you'll get >> pops and snaps. Then, you'll need to turn off every service in >> Windows to ensure that no other software can run on your dedicated >> DAW. Finally, you will need a 6TB HD or larger to store the >> additional content, which includes whole songs done as loops, so that >> you can just drag-n-drop one onto a track, and then "hey, I'm like >> totally finished with my new song!!!". <g> > > Ya' know, it's funny. Years ago I used a program called Musicator, > that was giving me fits. I didn't want to dump the program as I like > it's Notation abilities (great for doing all sorts of tuplets and > polyrhythms..it was able to divide the beat *or* measure by > practically any number). And still do. I started looking for a program > that was more "solid". I downloaded a bunch of demos (Sonar, Cubase, a > few others) and found that Sonar was the most stable of them all. And > I still feel that way. I've had great results using Sonar and I know > the program like the back of my hand. To each his own. Sonar was 100% stable for me until I caught the ultra low latency bug. When I ran Sonar at 10ms latency, it never screwed up, but when I started running it at 1.5ms latency on my then new Core 2 Duo, it would do stoopid stuff like run the now pointer off the end of a looped section I was looping to rehearse a bass or guitar line on. Once the now pointer went past the end of the looped section, Sonar went off to la la land and there was no getting control back to it, losing me what ever hadn't yet been saved. The final straw was when I lost about an hour's worth of brand new from scratch composition, and when I finally got Sonar back up from having to reset my computer, I downloaded Reaper and haven't gone back since. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
I run Vista 64 mostly, and have little or no trouble with Sonar 32 or 64 It quite correct that shutting down a whole raft of programs can help.. and this is how I do it... Use a batch file to start Sonar.... Copy everything between the hashed lines and make a batch file... mine is a descendent of an older batch file called "end-it-all" named after the freebie app' which it used to run..... (hence the label E-I-A) Save the batch file as " sonar-start.bat " or something similar If you have a rogue program not shown here - just add a line like... "CALL :E-I-A rogue-program" Batch file begins next (hashed) line.... :: ############################################################## : START SONAR 32-BIT :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CALL :E-I-A UpdateTask CALL :E-I-A SaUpdate CALL :E-I-A ISUSPM CALL :E-I-A TrueImageTryStartService CALL :E-I-A AdobeARM CALL :E-I-A XYPLORER CALL :E-I-A TOYCON CALL :E-I-A crashreporter CALL :E-I-A avnotify CALL :E-I-A GoogleUpdate CALL :E-I-A PhotoshopElementsFileAgent CALL :E-I-A winword CALL :E-I-A isuspm CALL :E-I-A qttask CALL :E-I-A HelpSVC CALL :E-I-A bigclock CALL :E-I-A skype CALL :E-I-A NMBGMONITOR CALL :E-I-A NMINDEXINGSERVICE CALL :E-I-A OSA CALL :E-I-A FINDFAST CALL :E-I-A SHEDUL2 CALL :E-I-A MXTASK CALL :E-I-A iexplore CALL :E-I-A WinVnc CALL :E-I-A fppdis2a CALL :E-I-A PCAlert4 CALL :E-I-A Stimon CALL :E-I-A Watch CALL :E-I-A Notetab CALL :E-I-A NotePro CALL :E-I-A Msimn CALL :E-I-A USBmonit CALL :E-I-A Schedul2 CALL :E-I-A Gearsec CALL :E-I-A NMSAccess CALL :E-I-A WinMail :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GOTO END :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ :E-I-A :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ECHO %1 :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ TASKKILL /F /IM "%1.exe" >nul 2>&1 :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GOTO :EOF :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ :END :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ :: START SONAR :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :: Make this line point to your sonar location........ (this is 64bit 8.5) :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- start "" "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR 8.5 Producer\SONARPDR.exe" :: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :: ############################################################## Batch file ends - previous (hashed) line.... In vista 64 - the 32-bit version of 8.5 will be installed here... "C:\Program Files x86\Cakewalk\SONAR 8.5 Producer\SONARPDR.exe" I routinely run 75 or so audio tracks, (many are snippets - drop-ins...) Not many plugins (overall reverb/ambience usually) - lots of track envelopes for volume/pan - No crackles or pops... (Quad Intel Cpu, M-Audio 1010LT, 4Gb ram) To find out what's running.. try this.. (in a dos-box..) tasklist > c:\temp\process-list.txt .....then spend a few happy moments on the interweb finding out the ones which you don't know, don't like, and add them to the list above.... DJB "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9E2C59030391DBrownShoesDontMakeIt@81.169.183.62... > The killer robot "Ted Perlman" <> grabbed the controls > of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >> <Is that 32 bit music or 64 bit music?> >> >> Years ago I received an email from BRILLIANT film composer Thomas >> Newman (Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, etc., etc...). He saw >> some of my posts at the Cakewalk Newsgroups and reached out to me for >> help using Sonar. We exchanged a few emails and then he changed his >> address and we lost touch. Hopefully he's now using a different >> software, because the one thing he and I had in common (besides the >> ability to read music) was that neither one of us could figure out how >> to use Sonar > > It's easy Ted. First, you gotta buy a whole new computer and soundcard, > because your computer and soundcard are not up to the task of running > Sonar. You need at least a 12 core, 6.8Ghz machine, and you can't have > any internet, firewall, antivirus, word processing, spreadsheet, or any > other programs or software running, or you'll get pops and snaps. Then, > you'll need to turn off every service in Windows to ensure that no other > software can run on your dedicated DAW. Finally, you will need a 6TB HD > or larger to store the additional content, which includes whole songs > done as loops, so that you can just drag-n-drop one onto a track, and > then "hey, I'm like totally finished with my new song!!!". <g> > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email > ________ __ > / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ > / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ > / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / > \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
The killer robot "D.J.B" <djb _at_ 12semitones.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > I run Vista 64 mostly, and have little or no trouble with Sonar 32 or 64 > > It quite correct that shutting down a whole raft of programs can help.. > and this is how I do it... Use a batch file to start Sonar.... I don't shut anything down when I'm recording, and in fact frequently have email, newsgroups, and web browsers running while doing it. I *always* have antivirus and firewall software running, and I've always got an internet and local network connection active. Most of my songs are more like between 24 - 32 tracks, with usually with 50 or more FX, most of which are compressors, Vintage Warmers, reverbs and the like, with an occasional Proteus VX or other softsynths. I run like this at 1ms ASIO latency using a Delta AP2496 audio card on an i5 32 bit, and never have any hiccups. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
<I downloaded a bunch of demos (Sonar, Cubase, a few others) and found that Sonar was the most stable of them all> Poly, just I love your sense of humour. My side is aching from laughing so hard -- Regards, Ted Perlman Producer-Arranger-Guitarist-Composer-Engineer www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
