Excuse my lack of general knowledge but I've never use MIDI in Sonar to play an external (since 1992). I'm thinking of getting a drum pad and they look like a better way to assign sounds and input them than my guitar synth pickup or my simi-weighted keyboard. Actually I hate trying to play drums from a keyboard. I remember the days of the first drum machine Roland put out and how happy I was when the RX9 drum machine came out. The padkontrol is a lot more expensive than the nanopad and I don't need live I only record 1 track at a time. These pads have their own software so I'm wondering if I would have to sync them to Sonar while I input the MIDI or if I could put the MIDI data including controllers directly into a sonar MIDI track using one of my Kontakt 4 samples? Also, since I only have 1 MIDI input on my M-audio interface could I use that ACT function in Sonar to record several(say 8) MIDI tracks at a time? Though it might be easier to use one Sonars' drum machines (though I'd have to learn another software when I'd rather just get it set up and play it it real time with quantize input on) instead of using VST to Kontakt? I could probably use a Kontakts' drum sample in the Sonar environment but I'm not sure if it would work and sound as realistic as playing the Kontakt sample in its' player? Any help or advice would be appreciated?
Dewittian wrote: > Excuse my lack of general knowledge but I've never use MIDI in Sonar > to play an external (since 1992). I'm thinking of getting a drum pad > and they look like a better way to assign sounds and input them than > my guitar synth pickup or my simi-weighted keyboard. Actually I hate > trying to play drums from a keyboard. I remember the days of the > first drum machine Roland put out and how happy I was when the RX9 > drum machine came out. > > The padkontrol is a lot more expensive than the nanopad and I don't > need live I only record 1 track at a time. These pads have their own > software so I'm wondering if I would have to sync them to Sonar while > I input the MIDI or if I could put the MIDI data including controllers > directly into a sonar MIDI track using one of my Kontakt 4 samples? > > Also, since I only have 1 MIDI input on my M-audio interface could I > use that ACT function in Sonar to record several(say 8) MIDI tracks at > a time? Though it might be easier to use one Sonars' drum machines > (though I'd have to learn another software when I'd rather just get it > set up and play it it real time with quantize input on) instead of > using VST to Kontakt? I could probably use a Kontakts' drum sample in > the Sonar environment but I'm not sure if it would work and sound as > realistic as playing the Kontakt sample in its' player? > > Any help or advice would be appreciated? Neither of these instruments are drum machines. They have no internal sounds and inputting drum tracks with them would be no different than using a midi keyboard controller except for the gum rubber pads on them. -- Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette http://www.gatortraks.com/forum http://www.gatortraks.com
On Jul 31, 5:56 pm, "Dave \"Mod Bod\" Modisette" <> wrote: > Dewittian wrote: > > Excuse my lack of general knowledge but I've never use MIDI in Sonar > > to play an external (since 1992). I'm thinking of getting a drum pad > > and they look like a better way to assign sounds and input them than > > my guitar synth pickup or my simi-weighted keyboard. Actually I hate > > trying to play drums from a keyboard. I remember the days of the > > first drum machine Roland put out and how happy I was when the RX9 > > drum machine came out. > > > The padkontrol is a lot more expensive than the nanopad and I don't > > need live I only record 1 track at a time. These pads have their own > > software so I'm wondering if I would have to sync them to Sonar while > > I input the MIDI or if I could put the MIDI data including controllers > > directly into a sonar MIDI track using one of my Kontakt 4 samples? > > > Also, since I only have 1 MIDI input on my M-audio interface could I > > use that ACT function in Sonar to record several(say 8) MIDI tracks at > > a time? Though it might be easier to use one Sonars' drum machines > > (though I'd have to learn another software when I'd rather just get it > > set up and play it it real time with quantize input on) instead of > > using VST to Kontakt? I could probably use a Kontakts' drum sample in > > the Sonar environment but I'm not sure if it would work and sound as > > realistic as playing the Kontakt sample in its' player? > > > Any help or advice would be appreciated? > > Neither of these instruments are drum machines. They have no internal > sounds and inputting drum tracks with them would be no different than > using a midi keyboard controller except for the gum rubber pads on them. > > -- > Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette > > http://www.gatortraks.com/forumhttp://www.gatortraks.com So they use the USB and software to get power and control output that is sent through a separate MIDI out?
Dewittian wrote: > On Jul 31, 5:56 pm, "Dave \"Mod Bod\" Modisette" > <> wrote: >> Dewittian wrote: >>> Excuse my lack of general knowledge but I've never use MIDI in Sonar >>> to play an external (since 1992). I'm thinking of getting a drum pad >>> and they look like a better way to assign sounds and input them than >>> my guitar synth pickup or my simi-weighted keyboard. Actually I hate >>> trying to play drums from a keyboard. I remember the days of the >>> first drum machine Roland put out and how happy I was when the RX9 >>> drum machine came out. >>> The padkontrol is a lot more expensive than the nanopad and I don't >>> need live I only record 1 track at a time. These pads have their own >>> software so I'm wondering if I would have to sync them to Sonar while >>> I input the MIDI or if I could put the MIDI data including controllers >>> directly into a sonar MIDI track using one of my Kontakt 4 samples? >>> Also, since I only have 1 MIDI input on my M-audio interface could I >>> use that ACT function in Sonar to record several(say 8) MIDI tracks at >>> a time? Though it might be easier to use one Sonars' drum machines >>> (though I'd have to learn another software when I'd rather just get it >>> set up and play it it real time with quantize input on) instead of >>> using VST to Kontakt? I could probably use a Kontakts' drum sample in >>> the Sonar environment but I'm not sure if it would work and sound as >>> realistic as playing the Kontakt sample in its' player? >>> Any help or advice would be appreciated? >> Neither of these instruments are drum machines. They have no internal >> sounds and inputting drum tracks with them would be no different than >> using a midi keyboard controller except for the gum rubber pads on them. >> >> -- >> Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette >> >> http://www.gatortraks.com/forumhttp://www.gatortraks.com > > > So they use the USB and software to get power and control output that > is sent through a separate MIDI out? Midi out meaning the midi data from the Nanopad to your DAW midi input. Some of them are powered by USB. If there is an alternate 9V power input, I usually use that to keep from overtaxing my computer's power supply. -- Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette http://www.gatortraks.com/forum http://www.gatortraks.com
On Jul 31, 7:58 pm, "Dave \"Mod Bod\" Modisette" <> wrote: > Dewittian wrote: > > On Jul 31, 5:56 pm, "Dave \"Mod Bod\" Modisette" > > <> wrote: > >> Dewittian wrote: > >>> Excuse my lack of general knowledge but I've never use MIDI in Sonar > >>> to play an external (since 1992). I'm thinking of getting a drum pad > >>> and they look like a better way to assign sounds and input them than > >>> my guitar synth pickup or my simi-weighted keyboard. Actually I hate > >>> trying to play drums from a keyboard. I remember the days of the > >>> first drum machine Roland put out and how happy I was when the RX9 > >>> drum machine came out. > >>> The padkontrol is a lot more expensive than the nanopad and I don't > >>> need live I only record 1 track at a time. These pads have their own > >>> software so I'm wondering if I would have to sync them to Sonar while > >>> I input the MIDI or if I could put the MIDI data including controllers > >>> directly into a sonar MIDI track using one of my Kontakt 4 samples? > >>> Also, since I only have 1 MIDI input on my M-audio interface could I > >>> use that ACT function in Sonar to record several(say 8) MIDI tracks at > >>> a time? Though it might be easier to use one Sonars' drum machines > >>> (though I'd have to learn another software when I'd rather just get it > >>> set up and play it it real time with quantize input on) instead of > >>> using VST to Kontakt? I could probably use a Kontakts' drum samplein > >>> the Sonar environment but I'm not sure if it would work and sound as > >>> realistic as playing the Kontakt sample in its' player? > >>> Any help or advice would be appreciated? > >> Neither of these instruments are drum machines. They have no internal > >> sounds and inputting drum tracks with them would be no different than > >> using a midi keyboard controller except for the gum rubber pads on them. > > >> -- > >> Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette > > >>http://www.gatortraks.com/forumhttp://www.gatortraks.com > > > So they use the USB and software to get power and control output that > > is sent through a separate MIDI out? > > Midi out meaning the midi data from the Nanopad to your DAW midi input. > Some of them are powered by USB. If there is an alternate 9V power > input, I usually use that to keep from overtaxing my computer's power > supply. > > -- > Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette > > http://www.gatortraks.com/forumhttp://www.gatortraks.com Thanks for the tip about power supply. I have a teribyte drive for backup. I leave it on always and it shows up as a mapped drive in explorer but the settings put it to sleep until I click on it in explorer . ( 3 physical drives and the second one partitioned I have the programs on the main C drive. The second is partitioned with all my samples on 1 partition and sonar files on another partition. .. It would be a hassle to unplug the USB drive when I'm not using it. Do you think that drive might use resources when sleeping? The only time I have drop-outs is when I'm mixing and have all the vst, reverb EQ etc... So I bounce all tracks to audio tracks picking up all the effects to track each track. Then I work from the new file. The problem is that any more changes to the final mix on audio tracks don't get saved to the old file with the MIDI tracks so I can change samples. By the time I'm finished my file is significantly changed on the new file with on the audio tracks. Does anyone know a way to take a audio track and convert it to MIDI? That way I can switch samples and bounce to track again and be done. Of course i'd have to do it in the file that still runs on MIDI or loose the effects when I bounce. Does anybody out there have some advice on my creative process?
"Dewittian" <> wrote in message news:... On Jul 31, 7:58 pm, "Dave \"Mod Bod\" Modisette" <> wrote: > Dewittian wrote: > > On Jul 31, 5:56 pm, "Dave \"Mod Bod\" Modisette" > > <> wrote: > >> Dewittian wrote: > >>> Excuse my lack of general knowledge but I've never use MIDI in Sonar > >>> to play an external (since 1992). I'm thinking of getting a drum pad > >>> and they look like a better way to assign sounds and input them than > >>> my guitar synth pickup or my simi-weighted keyboard. Actually I hate > >>> trying to play drums from a keyboard. I remember the days of the > >>> first drum machine Roland put out and how happy I was when the RX9 > >>> drum machine came out. > >>> The padkontrol is a lot more expensive than the nanopad and I don't > >>> need live I only record 1 track at a time. These pads have their own > >>> software so I'm wondering if I would have to sync them to Sonar while > >>> I input the MIDI or if I could put the MIDI data including controllers > >>> directly into a sonar MIDI track using one of my Kontakt 4 samples? > >>> Also, since I only have 1 MIDI input on my M-audio interface could I > >>> use that ACT function in Sonar to record several(say 8) MIDI tracks at > >>> a time? Though it might be easier to use one Sonars' drum machines > >>> (though I'd have to learn another software when I'd rather just get it > >>> set up and play it it real time with quantize input on) instead of > >>> using VST to Kontakt? I could probably use a Kontakts' drum sample in > >>> the Sonar environment but I'm not sure if it would work and sound as > >>> realistic as playing the Kontakt sample in its' player? > >>> Any help or advice would be appreciated? > >> Neither of these instruments are drum machines. They have no internal > >> sounds and inputting drum tracks with them would be no different than > >> using a midi keyboard controller except for the gum rubber pads on > >> them. > > >> -- > >> Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette > > >>http://www.gatortraks.com/forumhttp://www.gatortraks.com > > > So they use the USB and software to get power and control output that > > is sent through a separate MIDI out? > > Midi out meaning the midi data from the Nanopad to your DAW midi input. > Some of them are powered by USB. If there is an alternate 9V power > input, I usually use that to keep from overtaxing my computer's power > supply. > > -- > Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette > > http://www.gatortraks.com/forumhttp://www.gatortraks.com Thanks for the tip about power supply. I have a teribyte drive for backup. I leave it on always and it shows up as a mapped drive in explorer but the settings put it to sleep until I click on it in explorer . ( 3 physical drives and the second one partitioned I have the programs on the main C drive. The second is partitioned with all my samples on 1 partition and sonar files on another partition. .. It would be a hassle to unplug the USB drive when I'm not using it. Do you think that drive might use resources when sleeping? The only time I have drop-outs is when I'm mixing and have all the vst, reverb EQ etc... So I bounce all tracks to audio tracks picking up all the effects to track each track. Then I work from the new file. The problem is that any more changes to the final mix on audio tracks don't get saved to the old file with the MIDI tracks so I can change samples. By the time I'm finished my file is significantly changed on the new file with on the audio tracks. Does anyone know a way to take a audio track and convert it to MIDI? That way I can switch samples and bounce to track again and be done. Of course i'd have to do it in the file that still runs on MIDI or loose the effects when I bounce. Does anybody out there have some advice on my creative process? Doesn't Sonar retain the original MIDI tracks when bouncing to audio? Been a while since I done that so I'm not sure. If so, archive the MIDI, then save the file. If not, copy and paste the originals to new tracks, archive the new tracks, bounce the originals to audio & then save the file. Either way, the original MIDI tracks are still included in your latest file so you can always go back and try out different samples or whatever. Hint : If you prefer the newer changes archive the older audio, just in case there's something there you want to go back to at some later time. Archiving a track not only silences it but also removes all useage of resources including associated effects. Only drawback is increased file size. Not too much of a problem with terabyte+ HDD's. -- _____________________ Steve Wilson --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---
On Aug 1, 11:34 am, "SoftShell" <> wrote: > "Dewittian" <> wrote in message > > news:... > On Jul 31, 7:58 pm, "Dave \"Mod Bod\" Modisette" > > > > > > <> wrote: > > Dewittian wrote: > > > On Jul 31, 5:56 pm, "Dave \"Mod Bod\" Modisette" > > > <> wrote: > > >> Dewittian wrote: > > >>> Excuse my lack of general knowledge but I've never use MIDI in Sonar > > >>> to play an external (since 1992). I'm thinking of getting a drum pad > > >>> and they look like a better way to assign sounds and input them than > > >>> my guitar synth pickup or my simi-weighted keyboard. Actually I hate > > >>> trying to play drums from a keyboard. I remember the days of the > > >>> first drum machine Roland put out and how happy I was when the RX9 > > >>> drum machine came out. > > >>> The padkontrol is a lot more expensive than the nanopad and I don't > > >>> need live I only record 1 track at a time. These pads have their own > > >>> software so I'm wondering if I would have to sync them to Sonar while > > >>> I input the MIDI or if I could put the MIDI data including controllers > > >>> directly into a sonar MIDI track using one of my Kontakt 4 samples? > > >>> Also, since I only have 1 MIDI input on my M-audio interface could I > > >>> use that ACT function in Sonar to record several(say 8) MIDI tracksat > > >>> a time? Though it might be easier to use one Sonars' drum machines > > >>> (though I'd have to learn another software when I'd rather just getit > > >>> set up and play it it real time with quantize input on) instead of > > >>> using VST to Kontakt? I could probably use a Kontakts' drum sample in > > >>> the Sonar environment but I'm not sure if it would work and sound as > > >>> realistic as playing the Kontakt sample in its' player? > > >>> Any help or advice would be appreciated? > > >> Neither of these instruments are drum machines. They have no internal > > >> sounds and inputting drum tracks with them would be no different than > > >> using a midi keyboard controller except for the gum rubber pads on > > >> them. > > > >> -- > > >> Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette > > > >>http://www.gatortraks.com/forumhttp://www.gatortraks.com > > > > So they use the USB and software to get power and control output that > > > is sent through a separate MIDI out? > > > Midi out meaning the midi data from the Nanopad to your DAW midi input. > > Some of them are powered by USB. If there is an alternate 9V power > > input, I usually use that to keep from overtaxing my computer's power > > supply. > > > -- > > Dave "Mod Bod" Modisette > > >http://www.gatortraks.com/forumhttp://www.gatortraks.com > > Thanks for the tip about power supply. > > I have a teribyte drive for backup. I leave it on always and it shows > up as a mapped drive in explorer but the settings put it to sleep > until I click on it in explorer . ( 3 physical drives and the second > one partitioned I have the programs on the main C drive. > > The second is partitioned with all my samples on 1 partition and > sonar files on another partition. > > . It would be a hassle to unplug the USB drive when I'm not using > it. Do you think that drive might use resources when sleeping? > > The only time I have drop-outs is when I'm mixing and have all the > vst, reverb EQ etc... So I bounce all tracks to audio tracks picking > up all the effects to track each track. Then I work from the new > file. > > The problem is that any more changes to the final mix on audio tracks > don't get saved to the old file with the MIDI tracks so I can change > samples. By the time I'm finished my file is significantly changed on > the new file with on the audio tracks. > > Does anyone know a way to take a audio track and convert it to MIDI? > > That way I can switch samples and bounce to track again and be done. > Of course i'd have to do it in the file that still runs on MIDI or > loose the effects when I bounce. > > Does anybody out there have some advice on my creative process? > > Doesn't Sonar retain the original MIDI tracks when bouncing to audio? Been a > while since I done that so I'm not sure. If so, archive the MIDI, then save > the file. If not, copy and paste the originals to new tracks, archive the > new tracks, bounce the originals to audio & then save the file. Either way, > the original MIDI tracks are still included in your latest file so you can > always go back and try out different samples or whatever. Hint : If you > prefer the newer changes archive the older audio, just in case there's > something there you want to go back to at some later time. Archiving a track > not only silences it but also removes all useage of resources including > associated effects. Only drawback is increased file size. Not too much ofa > problem with terabyte+ HDD's. > > -- > _____________________ > > Steve Wilson > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- NOW BACK TO DRUM PAD CONTROLS Since I haven't had anything since to old Rolad R-8 drum machine and it had nice ruber pads that responded well to velocity changes I'm looking for the same thing only cheap used and without sounds. I heard that the "Nanaopad" is not as good a feel as the Korg Padkontrol. Is anyone out there that programs their drums with a pad device??? What other brands or models should I look at since all I want is velocity and a good finger to pad feel?
