Hi All, I have 30 cubase songs that I’d like to use in live performance. When a song finish, I load manually the next one. But it takes time, so I have a pause between songs. They are dance song so it should nice to joint all the songs together, and play for more that one hour continuously. Any idea? I have tried to merge 2 songs, but I have problem with the MIDI tracks. Some track of the second song play with the instrument of the first song! I suppose that some track use the default value for instrument, reverb, echo etc etc. For sure I can edit each track and insert all missing MIDI setting, but it is too much effort. Any smart approach? Thanks, and sorry my bad English! Luca Moreschi
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:32:30 -0800 (PST), Luca <> wrote: >Hi All, I have 30 cubase songs that I’d like to use in live >performance. >When a song finish, I load manually the next one. But it takes time, >so I have a pause between songs. >They are dance song so it should nice to joint all the songs together, >and play for more that one hour continuously. >Any idea? >I have tried to merge 2 songs, but I have problem with the MIDI >tracks. >Some track of the second song play with the instrument of the first >song! >I suppose that some track use the default value for instrument, >reverb, echo etc etc. >For sure I can edit each track and insert all missing MIDI setting, >but it is too much effort. >Any smart approach? >Thanks, and sorry my bad English! >Luca Moreschi What is your reason for playing the songs from Cubase instead of exporting wav files and playing them from CD, MiniDisk or any other convenient device? CubaseFAQ page: http://www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:14:12 +0000, Laurence Payne <> wrote: >On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:32:30 -0800 (PST), Luca ><> wrote: > >>Hi All, I have 30 cubase songs that I’d like to use in live >>performance. >>When a song finish, I load manually the next one. But it takes time, >>so I have a pause between songs. >>They are dance song so it should nice to joint all the songs together, >>and play for more that one hour continuously. >>Any idea? >>I have tried to merge 2 songs, but I have problem with the MIDI >>tracks. >>Some track of the second song play with the instrument of the first >>song! >>I suppose that some track use the default value for instrument, >>reverb, echo etc etc. >>For sure I can edit each track and insert all missing MIDI setting, >>but it is too much effort. >>Any smart approach? >>Thanks, and sorry my bad English! >>Luca Moreschi > > >What is your reason for playing the songs from Cubase instead of >exporting wav files and playing them from CD, MiniDisk or any other >convenient device? Which doesn't answer the question: I also would love to know how to import a .cpr into another .cpr Thanks in advance!
Bas schreef: >>> Hi All, I have 30 cubase songs that I’d like to use in live >>> performance. >>> When a song finish, I load manually the next one. But it takes time, >>> so I have a pause between songs. >>> They are dance song so it should nice to joint all the songs together, >>> and play for more that one hour continuously. >>> Any idea? >>> I have tried to merge 2 songs, but I have problem with the MIDI >>> tracks. >>> Some track of the second song play with the instrument of the first >>> song! >>> I suppose that some track use the default value for instrument, >>> reverb, echo etc etc. >>> For sure I can edit each track and insert all missing MIDI setting, >>> but it is too much effort. >>> Any smart approach? >>> Thanks, and sorry my bad English! >>> Luca Moreschi >> >> What is your reason for playing the songs from Cubase instead of >> exporting wav files and playing them from CD, MiniDisk or any other >> convenient device? > > Which doesn't answer the question: I also would love to know how to > import a .cpr into another .cpr > Thanks in advance! The answer to the first question should be: it can't be done. You will always have a pause between songs, because even if you have two projects loaded, when one finishes, it will take time to activate the other. Cubase just wasn't designed for it. So use something that was, as Laurence points out. As to the second question: a project contains many settings and bits of information. Some of this you can copy from one project to the other, some you can have only once. I think Cubase goes as far as possible by letting you copy and paste MIDI data. It would perhaps be useful to copy entire tracks, but they would have to be pasted using default inputs and outputs. Other settings can be stored and exchanged between projects, like channel settings and tempo tracks. I don't see how Cubase could do more than that without messing things up badly. You don't want your output routing to change in the middle of a song, for instance. Jos. -- Ardis Park Music www.ardispark.nl
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:06:12 +0100, Bas <> wrote: >>What is your reason for playing the songs from Cubase instead of >>exporting wav files and playing them from CD, MiniDisk or any other >>convenient device? > >Which doesn't answer the question: I also would love to know how to >import a .cpr into another .cpr >Thanks in advance! Well, unless you have a special reason for performing from Cubase, your answer is probably "don't do it that way - it isn't practical, for the reasons you've already described." Unless all your songs use the same patches on the same instruments, with the same settings in the Mixer, it's going to get complicated. Do you need real-time control over the MIDI tracks as they play? Over ALL the MIDI tracks? How much of the song could be mixed down and put on a separate audio track? CD players never crash. You need a VERY good reason to take a computer on a gig CubaseFAQ page: http://www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
Thanks to all. I'll try to be more detailed. I’d like to use cubase in live performance because I’m using it for different tasks: 1) play MIDI 2) play WAV back vocal and chorus and some real guitar part. …last but not the least …. 3) I’m using VST reverb for the voice and Amplitube/GuitarRig VST for the live guitar with automation to change automatically patch, volume, etc etc I’m agreeing with you, point 1 &2 can be easily executer using a DAT or a cheaper MP3 player. Unfortunately point 3 can be executed only by a computer + cubase. My last solution involve a lot of works: I have to export in MIDI format each CPR project. (only the MIDI part) Joint them in a single MIDI using external tool like MidiCat. This tool automatically adds before each song some MIDI command to reset each midi channel to his default value. Then import in a new project the BIG MIDI file. Finally copy/paste all the WAV track manually. It is not for free, but it is the only solution at the moment….. Thanks in any case. Luca Moreschi
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:05:17 -0800 (PST), Luca <> wrote: >Thanks to all. I'll try to be more detailed. >I’d like to use cubase in live performance because I’m using it for >different tasks: >1) play MIDI >2) play WAV back vocal and chorus and some real guitar part. >…last but not the least …. >3) I’m using VST reverb for the voice and Amplitube/GuitarRig VST for >the live guitar with automation to change automatically patch, volume, >etc etc >I’m agreeing with you, point 1 &2 can be easily executer using a DAT >or a cheaper MP3 player. >Unfortunately point 3 can be executed only by a computer + cubase. OK. So mix down everything that CAN be mixed down to a single audio track. Line these up back-to back in Cubase on a single track. All that Cubase has to control "live" are the effects on a couple of channels. CubaseFAQ page: http://www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
Luca wrote: > Thanks to all. I'll try to be more detailed. > I’d like to use cubase in live performance because I’m using it for > different tasks: > 1) play MIDI > 2) play WAV back vocal and chorus and some real guitar part. > …last but not the least …. > 3) I’m using VST reverb for the voice and Amplitube/GuitarRig VST for > the live guitar with automation to change automatically patch, volume, > etc etc > I’m agreeing with you, point 1 &2 can be easily executer using a DAT > or a cheaper MP3 player. > Unfortunately point 3 can be executed only by a computer + cubase. > > My last solution involve a lot of works: > I have to export in MIDI format each CPR project. (only the MIDI part) > Joint them in a single MIDI using external tool like MidiCat. This > tool automatically adds before each song some MIDI command to reset > each midi channel to his default value. > Then import in a new project the BIG MIDI file. > Finally copy/paste all the WAV track manually. > > It is not for free, but it is the only solution at the moment….. > > Thanks in any case. > Luca Moreschi I'm with Laurence, don't rely on computers for gigs. Also Cubase isn't designed for this sort of thing, you'd be better off with Ableton Live. However; if you want to gig with Cubase, and at the risk of stating the obvious, on the load lag problem... take TWO computers with you with two installations of Cubase and load the next song on one while the previous one is playing on the other. You'd also have one as backup when the inevitable happens and a computer crashes two minutes before you go on stage. DC --
Having a PC on stage (was: pause between songs in live performance) Django Cat a écrit : > However; if you want to gig with Cubase, and at the risk of stating the > obvious, on the load lag problem... take TWO computers with you with > two installations of Cubase and load the next song on one while the > previous one is playing on the other. You'd also have one as backup > when the inevitable happens and a computer crashes two minutes before > you go on stage. I always wondered how this kind of things (crash, etc...) were thought trhough by performers. Sometimes, in concerts, you can see a laptop next to the mixing desk. It makes me shiver everytime. Because having a computer on stage, "murphy's law wise" speaking, is haveing the certitude that it will crash in the middle of a song. (I mean an all purpose PC that is not build *only* for music, because I hear from here people saying that harware samplers or kb are nothing but computers). Yet people use them. So , if one of these people are here, it's time to explain how you back up things Because you do, right? Huey
Re: Having a PC on stage Hueyduck schreef: > Django Cat a écrit : > >> However; if you want to gig with Cubase, and at the risk of stating the >> obvious, on the load lag problem... take TWO computers with you with >> two installations of Cubase and load the next song on one while the >> previous one is playing on the other. You'd also have one as backup >> when the inevitable happens and a computer crashes two minutes before >> you go on stage. > > > I always wondered how this kind of things (crash, etc...) were thought > trhough by performers. Sometimes, in concerts, you can see a laptop > next to the mixing desk. It makes me shiver everytime. > Because having a computer on stage, "murphy's law wise" speaking, is > haveing the certitude that it will crash in the middle of a song. (I > mean an all purpose PC that is not build *only* for music, because I > hear from here people saying that harware samplers or kb are nothing > but computers). > Yet people use them. So , if one of these people are here, it's time to > explain how you back up things > Because you do, right? Only to a certain extent. I have brought computers to concerts, and they have played a substantial, although never essential, role. I've never had a crash in the middle of a song, but I've had crashes just before the start of the show, for instance. One careless conductor stepped onto a cable once, and it snapped; the replacement cable was shorter, so we had to move things around in the orchestra pit. I have never had the luxury of a second computer for backup though. It is a risk, but not a risk to avoid at all cost, and there are so many risks in any non-trivial performance. The mixing desk may break down. The solo violinist's E string may snap. I don't believe a good computer is a bigger risk than most other. If it breaks down, you will somehow need to go on playing without it. If it crashes, perhaps you can play another song while it reboots. My point being: taking risks, and working around them, are part of a musician's job (or any good job really). But I admit that I have never used a computer as an something so essential that without it there wouldn't be a show. I don't think I would, either, unless I had one to spare. Jos. -- Ardis Park Music www.ardispark.nl
Re: Having a PC on stage On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:06:30 +0100, Jos Geluk <> wrote: >But I admit that I have never used a computer as an something so >essential that without it there wouldn't be a show. I don't think I >would, either, unless I had one to spare. A lot of this is about how OFTEN you do a show. Equipment always lets you down until you (and those around you) are thoroughly used to it. Then it becomes much more reliable. Funny, that CubaseFAQ page: http://www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
Re: Having a PC on stage Laurence Payne schreef: > On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:06:30 +0100, Jos Geluk <> > wrote: > >> But I admit that I have never used a computer as an something so >> essential that without it there wouldn't be a show. I don't think I >> would, either, unless I had one to spare. > > A lot of this is about how OFTEN you do a show. Equipment always lets > you down until you (and those around you) are thoroughly used to it. > Then it becomes much more reliable. Funny, that I'd call that not so much reliable as predictable But it is true. While attending a marriage, the professional photographer commented on my camera, saying that while his was ten times more expensive, it didn't actually make that much better photos. Only it was much more reliable. And yes, when you work with equipment daily, you can simply tell when it is going to crash. So you learn how to avoid that. Jos. -- Ardis Park Music www.ardispark.nl
Re: Having a PC on stage Laurence Payne a écrit : > On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:06:30 +0100, Jos Geluk <> > wrote: > >> But I admit that I have never used a computer as an something so >> essential that without it there wouldn't be a show. I don't think I >> would, either, unless I had one to spare. - Jos, this quote from you is the answer to my question, actually. A violonist has to rely on each of its strings. So I guess he has a new set in its case, just in case (sic). If something on a show cannot be done without a PC, I guess the luxury of having 2 identically configured and prepared PC is not so much a luxury anymore. The real question would be: how essential this piece of equipment is. For anything. So the key to work arround Murphy's law is to have nothing absolutely essential to a show. Funny thing: I am listening (and discovering) the "Live at Sine" of Jeff Buckley. I think this record is a perfect example of what I mean. After you listened to it, you know that the guitare could have burned, the record would have been more or less the same. I guess only emotion and talent is essential to a show, after all ;-) - > > A lot of this is about how OFTEN you do a show. Equipment always lets > you down until you (and those around you) are thoroughly used to it. > Then it becomes much more reliable. Funny, that - This would add "experience" to "Talent" and "emotion". Huey
Re: Having a PC on stage (was: pause between songs in liveperformance) On Dec 7, 4:50 am, Hueyduck <> wrote: > Django Cat a crit : > > > However; if you want to gig with Cubase, and at the risk of stating the > > obvious, on the load lag problem... take TWO computers with you with > > two installations of Cubase and load the next song on one while the > > previous one is playing on the other. You'd also have one as backup > > when the inevitable happens and a computer crashes two minutes before > > you go on stage. > > I always wondered how this kind of things (crash, etc...) were thought > trhough by performers. Sometimes, in concerts, you can see a laptop > next to the mixing desk. It makes me shiver everytime. > Because having a computer on stage, "murphy's law wise" speaking, is > haveing the certitude that it will crash in the middle of a song. (I > mean an all purpose PC that is not build *only* for music, because I > hear from here people saying that harware samplers or kb are nothing > but computers). > Yet people use them. So , if one of these people are here, it's time to > explain how you back up things > Because you do, right? > > Huey Hi guys, long time lurker coming into the light. I do a midi sequenced act using a laptop and early next year I hope to reach 4,000 gigs, having done this since the mid 90's. I can't say I haven't had mishaps and have had a few drunks help my laptop make it to the floor. Usually I had sort of a grip on it or the cables had it, and the worst I had was this year in Tybee Island Georgia when I broke a hinge on my Thinkpad. I don't use good lappers for midi because it's not required, even though I use an occasional mp3 for backing. For midi, a basic 150-200 usd lapper from Ebay works just fine. For road gig's I carry another for a backup, but have yet to need it ( until now, of course I use a Yamaha software synth. and my player is "ShowPlay" ©. My midi's come a wide variety of sources including made with Cubase 4 (also mp3's) I work the coastal southeastern US doing an original music and a Jimmy Buffett style act with steel drum. Computer on stage...baa..notta problem, and if you have any questions..ask away. Leo Dean Brunswick/ St. Simons Island, GA www.leodean.com
