Problem in SONAR 7.0.1 after in inserting softynth in old SONAR project

I'm having a strange, and, at least at the moment, showstopping problem with
one project under SONAR 7.0.1. I believe, from looking at version stamp
information in the original SONAR project, that that the project I'm trying
to remix was created in SONAR 3.1.1 (version seems to be 12.1.1.264).

I can read the project into SONAR 7.0.1 just fine. It plays back if I play
it at that point.

Next I try insertin a softsynth, including its track folder, MIDI track, and
first audio output track. From that point on, I can't get any playback
unless I delete the softsynth from the rack.

The softsynth I was initially trying was Spectrasonics Trilogy, as I want
to upgrade the sounds on the bass part. However, I also tried TTS-1,
thinking maybe it was specific to Trilogy, and I get the same result.

Also, I tried saving a version of the file after having done a bunch of
other troubleshooting, like disabling other plug-ins and tracks, just to try
and get it down to lowest common denominator, leaving just a track with
Trilogy in there as active with everything else archived and/or disabled.
The idea was to try closing and reloading the project or even closing SONAR
then starting it again and reloading the project, as I have had a few flaky
cases where that resolves an impasse in getting sound. But when I reloaded
the project I'd saved, even after rebooting my system, I get a SONAR poof
(i.e. SONAR disappears with no crash message or Watson dump) consistently
(or at least the 2 out of 2 times I tried it). And I do have to reboot
after the poof because SONAR's process is left hanging even if the
application doesn't show up in the application part of the Windows XP task
manager.

Have any other SONAR 7 users seen this? If so, any workarounds you've come
up with? At the moment I'm dead in the water on trying to do anything on
this project since it is mainly some softsynth replacement I want to try.
About the only thing I can think of at the moment (and I haven't tried it
yet) is seeing if I can use SONAR 5 or 6 to try to at least get past the
impasse, then hope it will load in SONAR 7 after that. (It's conceivable I
could do the remixing I want to do in SONAR 6, but definitely not in SONAR 5
since I also want to use AudioSnap to tweak the timing of multiple audio
loops to sound more like they were played together.)

Rick
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=======================================
Rick Paul
Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
Web: www.RickPaul.info
MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
=======================================

Replying to my own message with a slight update:

If I go into SONAR 6.2.1 and try to do the same thing, the project still
plays after the synth insert. If I then save that file, then go back to
SONAR 7.0.1 to try to work on the file, the file won't play again. There
definitely seems to be something messed up in this area on the SONAR 7
front.

Rick

--
=======================================
Rick Paul
Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
Web: www.RickPaul.info
MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
=======================================


"Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I'm having a strange, and, at least at the moment, showstopping problem
> with one project under SONAR 7.0.1. I believe, from looking at version
> stamp information in the original SONAR project, that that the project I'm
> trying to remix was created in SONAR 3.1.1 (version seems to be
> 12.1.1.264).
>
> I can read the project into SONAR 7.0.1 just fine. It plays back if I
> play it at that point.
>
> Next I try insertin a softsynth, including its track folder, MIDI track,
> and first audio output track. From that point on, I can't get any
> playback unless I delete the softsynth from the rack.
>
> The softsynth I was initially trying was Spectrasonics Trilogy, as I want
> to upgrade the sounds on the bass part. However, I also tried TTS-1,
> thinking maybe it was specific to Trilogy, and I get the same result.
>
> Also, I tried saving a version of the file after having done a bunch of
> other troubleshooting, like disabling other plug-ins and tracks, just to
> try and get it down to lowest common denominator, leaving just a track
> with Trilogy in there as active with everything else archived and/or
> disabled. The idea was to try closing and reloading the project or even
> closing SONAR then starting it again and reloading the project, as I have
> had a few flaky cases where that resolves an impasse in getting sound.
> But when I reloaded the project I'd saved, even after rebooting my system,
> I get a SONAR poof (i.e. SONAR disappears with no crash message or Watson
> dump) consistently (or at least the 2 out of 2 times I tried it). And I
> do have to reboot after the poof because SONAR's process is left hanging
> even if the application doesn't show up in the application part of the
> Windows XP task manager.
>
> Have any other SONAR 7 users seen this? If so, any workarounds you've
> come up with? At the moment I'm dead in the water on trying to do
> anything on this project since it is mainly some softsynth replacement I
> want to try. About the only thing I can think of at the moment (and I
> haven't tried it yet) is seeing if I can use SONAR 5 or 6 to try to at
> least get past the impasse, then hope it will load in SONAR 7 after that.
> (It's conceivable I could do the remixing I want to do in SONAR 6, but
> definitely not in SONAR 5 since I also want to use AudioSnap to tweak the
> timing of multiple audio loops to sound more like they were played
> together.)
>
> Rick
> --
> =======================================
> Rick Paul
> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
> Web: www.RickPaul.info
> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
> =======================================
>
>

And yet another reply to myself with yet another update, and what seems
to have been a successful workaround, though I could have sworned I'd tried
something like this already:

Going back to SONAR 7.0.1, I loaded the project at the state before I wanted
to insert Trilogy again and inserted it. As before, playback wouldn't work.

I connected an instance of KOMPAKT in the Synth Rack (it was the first
softsynth in there, and was being used multitimbrally on two different
parts, but those parts had been rendered in the pre-Freeze "Bounce to
Tracks"style, where there was a separate audio track for the rendered
result, the softsynth audio and MIDI tracks were frozen, and I'd
disconnected the synth in the rack to free up its memory). I tried again
playing, and still no go.

Next I disconnected KOMPAKT and tried again. Still no go.

Next I disconnected Trilogy. As I'd expected, it would play.

Now I reconnected Trilogy. This time it would play!!!

Okay, I didn't know whether it was something with the KOMPAKT interaction or
what, so I decided to exit the project without saving it and load it again
from the point before inserting Trilogy the first time. (I didn't shut
SONAR down in between.)

I loaded the project, it played as expected.

I inserted Trilogy. The project still played!!!! No needing to
disconnect/reconnect KOMPAKT or Trilogy this time!!!

Obviously something must have gotten funked up in SONAR's internal state
that the playing around I did in the first project cleared and left cleared
once it was cleared. VERY strange. But at least now I have been able to
save the project in a state where it is playing with Trilogy. And I'm
guessing additional softsynth insertions into that project are likely to be
okay, too, as I generally don't have problems inserting softsynths, Trilogy
or otherwise, into SONAR 7 projects.

Rick
--
=======================================
Rick Paul
Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
Web: www.RickPaul.info
MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
=======================================

"Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Replying to my own message with a slight update:
>
> If I go into SONAR 6.2.1 and try to do the same thing, the project still
> plays after the synth insert. If I then save that file, then go back to
> SONAR 7.0.1 to try to work on the file, the file won't play again. There
> definitely seems to be something messed up in this area on the SONAR 7
> front.
>
> Rick
>
> --
> =======================================
> Rick Paul
> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
> Web: www.RickPaul.info
> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
> =======================================
>
>
> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I'm having a strange, and, at least at the moment, showstopping problem
>> with one project under SONAR 7.0.1. I believe, from looking at version
>> stamp information in the original SONAR project, that that the project
>> I'm trying to remix was created in SONAR 3.1.1 (version seems to be
>> 12.1.1.264).
>>
>> I can read the project into SONAR 7.0.1 just fine. It plays back if I
>> play it at that point.
>>
>> Next I try insertin a softsynth, including its track folder, MIDI track,
>> and first audio output track. From that point on, I can't get any
>> playback unless I delete the softsynth from the rack.
>>
>> The softsynth I was initially trying was Spectrasonics Trilogy, as I
>> want to upgrade the sounds on the bass part. However, I also tried
>> TTS-1, thinking maybe it was specific to Trilogy, and I get the same
>> result.
>>
>> Also, I tried saving a version of the file after having done a bunch of
>> other troubleshooting, like disabling other plug-ins and tracks, just to
>> try and get it down to lowest common denominator, leaving just a track
>> with Trilogy in there as active with everything else archived and/or
>> disabled. The idea was to try closing and reloading the project or even
>> closing SONAR then starting it again and reloading the project, as I have
>> had a few flaky cases where that resolves an impasse in getting sound.
>> But when I reloaded the project I'd saved, even after rebooting my
>> system, I get a SONAR poof (i.e. SONAR disappears with no crash message
>> or Watson dump) consistently (or at least the 2 out of 2 times I tried
>> it). And I do have to reboot after the poof because SONAR's process is
>> left hanging even if the application doesn't show up in the application
>> part of the Windows XP task manager.
>>
>> Have any other SONAR 7 users seen this? If so, any workarounds you've
>> come up with? At the moment I'm dead in the water on trying to do
>> anything on this project since it is mainly some softsynth replacement I
>> want to try. About the only thing I can think of at the moment (and I
>> haven't tried it yet) is seeing if I can use SONAR 5 or 6 to try to at
>> least get past the impasse, then hope it will load in SONAR 7 after that.
>> (It's conceivable I could do the remixing I want to do in SONAR 6, but
>> definitely not in SONAR 5 since I also want to use AudioSnap to tweak the
>> timing of multiple audio loops to sound more like they were played
>> together.)
>>
>> Rick
>> --
>> =======================================
>> Rick Paul
>> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
>> Web: www.RickPaul.info
>> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
>> =======================================
>>
>>
>
>

I had something like that happen too. What I did was open in S5 or S4.
Ignored the message about the new stuff. Inserted the plugin/softsynth in
4/5 then went back to 7 and it worked. I wish I could remember which it
was. I do remember opening in 6 and resaving did no good. I seem to
remember it was EZDrummer inserted after a Kontakt. And the song had
originated in an older version of sonar like yours.
Max Arwood



"Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
news:...
> And yet another reply to myself with yet another update, and what seems
> to have been a successful workaround, though I could have sworned I'd
> tried something like this already:
>
> Going back to SONAR 7.0.1, I loaded the project at the state before I
> wanted to insert Trilogy again and inserted it. As before, playback
> wouldn't work.
>
> I connected an instance of KOMPAKT in the Synth Rack (it was the first
> softsynth in there, and was being used multitimbrally on two different
> parts, but those parts had been rendered in the pre-Freeze "Bounce to
> Tracks"style, where there was a separate audio track for the rendered
> result, the softsynth audio and MIDI tracks were frozen, and I'd
> disconnected the synth in the rack to free up its memory). I tried again
> playing, and still no go.
>
> Next I disconnected KOMPAKT and tried again. Still no go.
>
> Next I disconnected Trilogy. As I'd expected, it would play.
>
> Now I reconnected Trilogy. This time it would play!!!
>
> Okay, I didn't know whether it was something with the KOMPAKT interaction
> or what, so I decided to exit the project without saving it and load it
> again from the point before inserting Trilogy the first time. (I didn't
> shut SONAR down in between.)
>
> I loaded the project, it played as expected.
>
> I inserted Trilogy. The project still played!!!! No needing to
> disconnect/reconnect KOMPAKT or Trilogy this time!!!
>
> Obviously something must have gotten funked up in SONAR's internal state
> that the playing around I did in the first project cleared and left
> cleared once it was cleared. VERY strange. But at least now I have been
> able to save the project in a state where it is playing with Trilogy. And
> I'm guessing additional softsynth insertions into that project are likely
> to be okay, too, as I generally don't have problems inserting softsynths,
> Trilogy or otherwise, into SONAR 7 projects.
>
> Rick
> --
> =======================================
> Rick Paul
> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
> Web: www.RickPaul.info
> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
> =======================================
>
> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Replying to my own message with a slight update:
>>
>> If I go into SONAR 6.2.1 and try to do the same thing, the project still
>> plays after the synth insert. If I then save that file, then go back to
>> SONAR 7.0.1 to try to work on the file, the file won't play again. There
>> definitely seems to be something messed up in this area on the SONAR 7
>> front.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> --
>> =======================================
>> Rick Paul
>> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
>> Web: www.RickPaul.info
>> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
>> =======================================
>>
>>
>> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> I'm having a strange, and, at least at the moment, showstopping problem
>>> with one project under SONAR 7.0.1. I believe, from looking at version
>>> stamp information in the original SONAR project, that that the project
>>> I'm trying to remix was created in SONAR 3.1.1 (version seems to be
>>> 12.1.1.264).
>>>
>>> I can read the project into SONAR 7.0.1 just fine. It plays back if I
>>> play it at that point.
>>>
>>> Next I try insertin a softsynth, including its track folder, MIDI track,
>>> and first audio output track. From that point on, I can't get any
>>> playback unless I delete the softsynth from the rack.
>>>
>>> The softsynth I was initially trying was Spectrasonics Trilogy, as I
>>> want to upgrade the sounds on the bass part. However, I also tried
>>> TTS-1, thinking maybe it was specific to Trilogy, and I get the same
>>> result.
>>>
>>> Also, I tried saving a version of the file after having done a bunch of
>>> other troubleshooting, like disabling other plug-ins and tracks, just to
>>> try and get it down to lowest common denominator, leaving just a track
>>> with Trilogy in there as active with everything else archived and/or
>>> disabled. The idea was to try closing and reloading the project or even
>>> closing SONAR then starting it again and reloading the project, as I
>>> have had a few flaky cases where that resolves an impasse in getting
>>> sound. But when I reloaded the project I'd saved, even after rebooting
>>> my system, I get a SONAR poof (i.e. SONAR disappears with no crash
>>> message or Watson dump) consistently (or at least the 2 out of 2 times I
>>> tried it). And I do have to reboot after the poof because SONAR's
>>> process is left hanging even if the application doesn't show up in the
>>> application part of the Windows XP task manager.
>>>
>>> Have any other SONAR 7 users seen this? If so, any workarounds you've
>>> come up with? At the moment I'm dead in the water on trying to do
>>> anything on this project since it is mainly some softsynth replacement I
>>> want to try. About the only thing I can think of at the moment (and I
>>> haven't tried it yet) is seeing if I can use SONAR 5 or 6 to try to at
>>> least get past the impasse, then hope it will load in SONAR 7 after
>>> that. (It's conceivable I could do the remixing I want to do in SONAR 6,
>>> but definitely not in SONAR 5 since I also want to use AudioSnap to
>>> tweak the timing of multiple audio loops to sound more like they were
>>> played together.)
>>>
>>> Rick
>>> --
>>> =======================================
>>> Rick Paul
>>> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
>>> Web: www.RickPaul.info
>>> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
>>> =======================================
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Oh yea, I'm only posting this one so you'll quite talking to yourself. <g>
Just kidding.
Max Arwood

"Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
news:...
> And yet another reply to myself with yet another update, and what seems
> to have been a successful workaround, though I could have sworned I'd
> tried something like this already:
>
> Going back to SONAR 7.0.1, I loaded the project at the state before I
> wanted to insert Trilogy again and inserted it. As before, playback
> wouldn't work.
>
> I connected an instance of KOMPAKT in the Synth Rack (it was the first
> softsynth in there, and was being used multitimbrally on two different
> parts, but those parts had been rendered in the pre-Freeze "Bounce to
> Tracks"style, where there was a separate audio track for the rendered
> result, the softsynth audio and MIDI tracks were frozen, and I'd
> disconnected the synth in the rack to free up its memory). I tried again
> playing, and still no go.
>
> Next I disconnected KOMPAKT and tried again. Still no go.
>
> Next I disconnected Trilogy. As I'd expected, it would play.
>
> Now I reconnected Trilogy. This time it would play!!!
>
> Okay, I didn't know whether it was something with the KOMPAKT interaction
> or what, so I decided to exit the project without saving it and load it
> again from the point before inserting Trilogy the first time. (I didn't
> shut SONAR down in between.)
>
> I loaded the project, it played as expected.
>
> I inserted Trilogy. The project still played!!!! No needing to
> disconnect/reconnect KOMPAKT or Trilogy this time!!!
>
> Obviously something must have gotten funked up in SONAR's internal state
> that the playing around I did in the first project cleared and left
> cleared once it was cleared. VERY strange. But at least now I have been
> able to save the project in a state where it is playing with Trilogy. And
> I'm guessing additional softsynth insertions into that project are likely
> to be okay, too, as I generally don't have problems inserting softsynths,
> Trilogy or otherwise, into SONAR 7 projects.
>
> Rick
> --
> =======================================
> Rick Paul
> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
> Web: www.RickPaul.info
> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
> =======================================
>
> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Replying to my own message with a slight update:
>>
>> If I go into SONAR 6.2.1 and try to do the same thing, the project still
>> plays after the synth insert. If I then save that file, then go back to
>> SONAR 7.0.1 to try to work on the file, the file won't play again. There
>> definitely seems to be something messed up in this area on the SONAR 7
>> front.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> --
>> =======================================
>> Rick Paul
>> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
>> Web: www.RickPaul.info
>> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
>> =======================================
>>
>>
>> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> I'm having a strange, and, at least at the moment, showstopping problem
>>> with one project under SONAR 7.0.1. I believe, from looking at version
>>> stamp information in the original SONAR project, that that the project
>>> I'm trying to remix was created in SONAR 3.1.1 (version seems to be
>>> 12.1.1.264).
>>>
>>> I can read the project into SONAR 7.0.1 just fine. It plays back if I
>>> play it at that point.
>>>
>>> Next I try insertin a softsynth, including its track folder, MIDI track,
>>> and first audio output track. From that point on, I can't get any
>>> playback unless I delete the softsynth from the rack.
>>>
>>> The softsynth I was initially trying was Spectrasonics Trilogy, as I
>>> want to upgrade the sounds on the bass part. However, I also tried
>>> TTS-1, thinking maybe it was specific to Trilogy, and I get the same
>>> result.
>>>
>>> Also, I tried saving a version of the file after having done a bunch of
>>> other troubleshooting, like disabling other plug-ins and tracks, just to
>>> try and get it down to lowest common denominator, leaving just a track
>>> with Trilogy in there as active with everything else archived and/or
>>> disabled. The idea was to try closing and reloading the project or even
>>> closing SONAR then starting it again and reloading the project, as I
>>> have had a few flaky cases where that resolves an impasse in getting
>>> sound. But when I reloaded the project I'd saved, even after rebooting
>>> my system, I get a SONAR poof (i.e. SONAR disappears with no crash
>>> message or Watson dump) consistently (or at least the 2 out of 2 times I
>>> tried it). And I do have to reboot after the poof because SONAR's
>>> process is left hanging even if the application doesn't show up in the
>>> application part of the Windows XP task manager.
>>>
>>> Have any other SONAR 7 users seen this? If so, any workarounds you've
>>> come up with? At the moment I'm dead in the water on trying to do
>>> anything on this project since it is mainly some softsynth replacement I
>>> want to try. About the only thing I can think of at the moment (and I
>>> haven't tried it yet) is seeing if I can use SONAR 5 or 6 to try to at
>>> least get past the impasse, then hope it will load in SONAR 7 after
>>> that. (It's conceivable I could do the remixing I want to do in SONAR 6,
>>> but definitely not in SONAR 5 since I also want to use AudioSnap to
>>> tweak the timing of multiple audio loops to sound more like they were
>>> played together.)
>>>
>>> Rick
>>> --
>>> =======================================
>>> Rick Paul
>>> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
>>> Web: www.RickPaul.info
>>> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
>>> =======================================
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Open in 7 ... save in 7 close everything ... reopen newly saved version .... try that?



"Rick Paul" <> wrote in message news:...
> Replying to my own message with a slight update:
>
> If I go into SONAR 6.2.1 and try to do the same thing, the project still plays after the synth insert. If I then save that file,
> then go back to SONAR 7.0.1 to try to work on the file, the file won't play again. There definitely seems to be something messed
> up in this area on the SONAR 7 front.
>
> Rick
>
> --
> =======================================
> Rick Paul
> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
> Web: www.RickPaul.info
> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
> =======================================
>
>
> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message news:...
>> I'm having a strange, and, at least at the moment, showstopping problem with one project under SONAR 7.0.1. I believe, from
>> looking at version stamp information in the original SONAR project, that that the project I'm trying to remix was created in
>> SONAR 3.1.1 (version seems to be 12.1.1.264).
>>
>> I can read the project into SONAR 7.0.1 just fine. It plays back if I play it at that point.
>>
>> Next I try insertin a softsynth, including its track folder, MIDI track, and first audio output track. From that point on, I
>> can't get any playback unless I delete the softsynth from the rack.
>>
>> The softsynth I was initially trying was Spectrasonics Trilogy, as I want to upgrade the sounds on the bass part. However, I
>> also tried TTS-1, thinking maybe it was specific to Trilogy, and I get the same result.
>>
>> Also, I tried saving a version of the file after having done a bunch of other troubleshooting, like disabling other plug-ins and
>> tracks, just to try and get it down to lowest common denominator, leaving just a track with Trilogy in there as active with
>> everything else archived and/or disabled. The idea was to try closing and reloading the project or even closing SONAR then
>> starting it again and reloading the project, as I have had a few flaky cases where that resolves an impasse in getting sound. But
>> when I reloaded the project I'd saved, even after rebooting my system, I get a SONAR poof (i.e. SONAR disappears with no crash
>> message or Watson dump) consistently (or at least the 2 out of 2 times I tried it). And I do have to reboot after the poof
>> because SONAR's process is left hanging even if the application doesn't show up in the application part of the Windows XP task
>> manager.
>>
>> Have any other SONAR 7 users seen this? If so, any workarounds you've come up with? At the moment I'm dead in the water on
>> trying to do anything on this project since it is mainly some softsynth replacement I want to try. About the only thing I can
>> think of at the moment (and I haven't tried it yet) is seeing if I can use SONAR 5 or 6 to try to at least get past the impasse,
>> then hope it will load in SONAR 7 after that. (It's conceivable I could do the remixing I want to do in SONAR 6, but definitely
>> not in SONAR 5 since I also want to use AudioSnap to tweak the timing of multiple audio loops to sound more like they were played
>> together.)
>>
>> Rick
>> --
>> =======================================
>> Rick Paul
>> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
>> Web: www.RickPaul.info
>> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
>> =======================================
>>
>>
>
>

"Max Arwood" <> wrote in message
news:yryVi.1515$%...
>I had something like that happen too. What I did was open in S5 or S4.
>Ignored the message about the new stuff. Inserted the plugin/softsynth in
>4/5 then went back to 7 and it worked. I wish I could remember which it
>was. I do remember opening in 6 and resaving did no good. I seem to
>remember it was EZDrummer inserted after a Kontakt. And the song had
>originated in an older version of sonar like yours.

Hmmm, I wonder if NI products may be the common denominator. I know I've
also seen problems in SONAR 6 with getting sound out in some cases with
KONTAKT (2?). Whatever it was, though, it is definitely very strange.

Rick

--
=======================================
Rick Paul
Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
Web: www.RickPaul.info
MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
=======================================

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:50:18 -0700, "Rick Paul"
<> wrote:

>Hmmm, I wonder if NI products may be the common denominator. I know I've
>also seen problems in SONAR 6 with getting sound out in some cases with
>KONTAKT (2?). Whatever it was, though, it is definitely very strange.

The only problem I've had with 7 and I'm not 100% sure it's happened
in 7.0.1 is with things not starting properly. Sometimes I have to
stop and start again. I don't think I'm working on anything that
doesn't have at least two instances of Kontakt 2 at the moment.

I have been using the Chris Hein Warwick Bass library lately with the
AmpegSVX plugin or my Ibanez with the same plugin. I may start
something with Trilogy but don't usually leave it. It seems to require
too much LF taming for me. ( I do love the Acoustics just when playing
for joy along with some lovely insane break beats. I haven't recorded
any of that. It's how I unwind and warm up my chops. I guess DnB is a
guilty pleasure for me. I love it.)

Ben N. Moore

<rant>This is the type of c**pola I experience with Sonar all the time.
When I'm working on a project, I don't have the time to do this futzing
around hoping to make it work (if it even will, sometimes no joy regardless,
there's a bug)... This is why I'm wanting a replacement to Sonar. Something
much more stable. Don't know if it exists, I'm still looking... I feel
your pain guys. This just SHOULD NOT happen.</rant>
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"Max Arwood" <> wrote in message
news:yryVi.1515$%...
>I had something like that happen too. What I did was open in S5 or S4.
>Ignored the message about the new stuff. Inserted the plugin/softsynth in
>4/5 then went back to 7 and it worked. I wish I could remember which it
>was. I do remember opening in 6 and resaving did no good. I seem to
>remember it was EZDrummer inserted after a Kontakt. And the song had
>originated in an older version of sonar like yours.
> Max Arwood
>
>
>
> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> And yet another reply to myself with yet another update, and what
>> seems to have been a successful workaround, though I could have sworned
>> I'd tried something like this already:
>>
>> Going back to SONAR 7.0.1, I loaded the project at the state before I
>> wanted to insert Trilogy again and inserted it. As before, playback
>> wouldn't work.
>>
>> I connected an instance of KOMPAKT in the Synth Rack (it was the first
>> softsynth in there, and was being used multitimbrally on two different
>> parts, but those parts had been rendered in the pre-Freeze "Bounce to
>> Tracks"style, where there was a separate audio track for the rendered
>> result, the softsynth audio and MIDI tracks were frozen, and I'd
>> disconnected the synth in the rack to free up its memory). I tried again
>> playing, and still no go.
>>
>> Next I disconnected KOMPAKT and tried again. Still no go.
>>
>> Next I disconnected Trilogy. As I'd expected, it would play.
>>
>> Now I reconnected Trilogy. This time it would play!!!
>>
>> Okay, I didn't know whether it was something with the KOMPAKT interaction
>> or what, so I decided to exit the project without saving it and load it
>> again from the point before inserting Trilogy the first time. (I didn't
>> shut SONAR down in between.)
>>
>> I loaded the project, it played as expected.
>>
>> I inserted Trilogy. The project still played!!!! No needing to
>> disconnect/reconnect KOMPAKT or Trilogy this time!!!
>>
>> Obviously something must have gotten funked up in SONAR's internal state
>> that the playing around I did in the first project cleared and left
>> cleared once it was cleared. VERY strange. But at least now I have been
>> able to save the project in a state where it is playing with Trilogy.
>> And I'm guessing additional softsynth insertions into that project are
>> likely to be okay, too, as I generally don't have problems inserting
>> softsynths, Trilogy or otherwise, into SONAR 7 projects.
>>
>> Rick
>> --
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>> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Replying to my own message with a slight update:
>>>
>>> If I go into SONAR 6.2.1 and try to do the same thing, the project still
>>> plays after the synth insert. If I then save that file, then go back to
>>> SONAR 7.0.1 to try to work on the file, the file won't play again.
>>> There definitely seems to be something messed up in this area on the
>>> SONAR 7 front.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> --
>>> =======================================
>>> Rick Paul
>>> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
>>> Web: www.RickPaul.info
>>> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
>>> =======================================
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> I'm having a strange, and, at least at the moment, showstopping problem
>>>> with one project under SONAR 7.0.1. I believe, from looking at version
>>>> stamp information in the original SONAR project, that that the project
>>>> I'm trying to remix was created in SONAR 3.1.1 (version seems to be
>>>> 12.1.1.264).
>>>>
>>>> I can read the project into SONAR 7.0.1 just fine. It plays back if I
>>>> play it at that point.
>>>>
>>>> Next I try insertin a softsynth, including its track folder, MIDI
>>>> track, and first audio output track. From that point on, I can't get
>>>> any playback unless I delete the softsynth from the rack.
>>>>
>>>> The softsynth I was initially trying was Spectrasonics Trilogy, as I
>>>> want to upgrade the sounds on the bass part. However, I also tried
>>>> TTS-1, thinking maybe it was specific to Trilogy, and I get the same
>>>> result.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I tried saving a version of the file after having done a bunch of
>>>> other troubleshooting, like disabling other plug-ins and tracks, just
>>>> to try and get it down to lowest common denominator, leaving just a
>>>> track with Trilogy in there as active with everything else archived
>>>> and/or disabled. The idea was to try closing and reloading the project
>>>> or even closing SONAR then starting it again and reloading the project,
>>>> as I have had a few flaky cases where that resolves an impasse in
>>>> getting sound. But when I reloaded the project I'd saved, even after
>>>> rebooting my system, I get a SONAR poof (i.e. SONAR disappears with no
>>>> crash message or Watson dump) consistently (or at least the 2 out of 2
>>>> times I tried it). And I do have to reboot after the poof because
>>>> SONAR's process is left hanging even if the application doesn't show up
>>>> in the application part of the Windows XP task manager.
>>>>
>>>> Have any other SONAR 7 users seen this? If so, any workarounds you've
>>>> come up with? At the moment I'm dead in the water on trying to do
>>>> anything on this project since it is mainly some softsynth replacement
>>>> I want to try. About the only thing I can think of at the moment (and I
>>>> haven't tried it yet) is seeing if I can use SONAR 5 or 6 to try to at
>>>> least get past the impasse, then hope it will load in SONAR 7 after
>>>> that. (It's conceivable I could do the remixing I want to do in SONAR
>>>> 6, but definitely not in SONAR 5 since I also want to use AudioSnap to
>>>> tweak the timing of multiple audio loops to sound more like they were
>>>> played together.)
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>> --
>>>> =======================================
>>>> Rick Paul
>>>> Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP)
>>>> Web: www.RickPaul.info
>>>> MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic
>>>> =======================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Sue Morton" <> wrote in message
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> <rant>This is the type of c**pola I experience with Sonar all the time.
> When I'm working on a project, I don't have the time to do this futzing
> around hoping to make it work (if it even will, sometimes no joy
regardless,
> there's a bug)... This is why I'm wanting a replacement to Sonar.
Something
> much more stable. Don't know if it exists, I'm still looking... I feel
> your pain guys. This just SHOULD NOT happen.</rant>

This is what happens when people like us take a zillion ingredients and
expect the results to tast like Wolfgang Puck made it. <g>

All kidding aside, computers are flaky. What works on one system crashes
another. It took me months to resolve a problem that ended up being a bad
mobo....or whatever you call it.

Good luck with your soup Sue!

Poly

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> All kidding aside, computers are flaky.

No they're not!!! They're crunchy!!! <g>

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But that's just it, Poly -- I run an average of 10 midi tracks with simple
synths like TTS-1, no outboard equipment except for mics and preamps, and
darn few (if any) plugins, and only the ones that came with Sonar. No
rewire, no Kompact, Kontakt, etc. Just mix to stereo wav and export. Pretty
dang simple. You'd think that much could be stable? {sigh}
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"polymod" <> wrote in message
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> All kidding aside, computers are flaky. What works on one system crashes
> another. It took me months to resolve a problem that ended up being a bad
> mobo....or whatever you call it.
>
> Good luck with your soup Sue!
>
> Poly
>
>

"Sue Morton" <> wrote in message
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> But that's just it, Poly -- I run an average of 10 midi tracks with simple
> synths like TTS-1, no outboard equipment except for mics and preamps, and
> darn few (if any) plugins, and only the ones that came with Sonar. No
> rewire, no Kompact, Kontakt, etc. Just mix to stereo wav and export.
Pretty
> dang simple. You'd think that much could be stable? {sigh}

Wow. I had no idea you were having that much trouble. My sympathy.
If you have that much instability with so little going on, could it possibly
be the computer and not Sonar?

Poly

"Steve Karl" <> wrote in message
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> Open in 7 ... save in 7 close everything ... reopen newly saved version
> .... try that?

Yeah, I'd mentioned that the first time, I think. That version is the one
that made SONAR (7.0.1) go poof! :-( In any event, I did ultimately get it
working through some seemingly random connecting/disconnecting of softsynths
in the synth rack voodoo. ;-)

Rick
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Nope, tried on all different computers... different hardware, all XP Pro
though. Before and after SP2 and so on. I would just like to sit down and
WORK, and there's always some nonsense that stops the process... never had
that problem very often with hardware!!!
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"polymod" <> wrote in message
news:jbIVi.878$...
>
> "Sue Morton" <> wrote in message
> news:OzHVi.2614$%...
>> But that's just it, Poly -- I run an average of 10 midi tracks with
>> simple
>> synths like TTS-1, no outboard equipment except for mics and preamps, and
>> darn few (if any) plugins, and only the ones that came with Sonar. No
>> rewire, no Kompact, Kontakt, etc. Just mix to stereo wav and export.
> Pretty
>> dang simple. You'd think that much could be stable? {sigh}
>
> Wow. I had no idea you were having that much trouble. My sympathy.
> If you have that much instability with so little going on, could it
> possibly
> be the computer and not Sonar?
>
> Poly
>
>

"Rick Paul" <> wrote in message news:...
>
> "Steve Karl" <> wrote in message news:RtAVi.8369$%r.1641@trnddc01...
>> Open in 7 ... save in 7 close everything ... reopen newly saved version .... try that?
>
> Yeah, I'd mentioned that the first time, I think. That version is the one that made SONAR (7.0.1) go poof! :-( In any event, I
> did ultimately get it working through some seemingly random connecting/disconnecting of softsynths in the synth rack voodoo. ;-)
>
> Rick

I meant the current version 7.0.1 I was just shorthanding.
The real thought was that once saving in the V7.0.1 format and reopening ...

S


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>
>

Re: Problem in SONAR 7.0.1 after in inserting softynth in old SONARproject

Glennbo wrote:
> In news:O4GVi.1582$ the killer robot "polymod"
> <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
> cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
>> All kidding aside, computers are flaky.
>
> No they're not!!! They're crunchy!!! <g>
>

Mine are all chewy. I must be doing something wrong... too much
oil, no doubt...


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"Steve Karl" <> wrote in message
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>
> "Rick Paul" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> "Steve Karl" <> wrote in message
>> news:RtAVi.8369$%r.1641@trnddc01...
>>> Open in 7 ... save in 7 close everything ... reopen newly saved version
>>> .... try that?
>>
>> Yeah, I'd mentioned that the first time, I think. That version is the
>> one that made SONAR (7.0.1) go poof! :-( In any event, I did ultimately
>> get it working through some seemingly random connecting/disconnecting of
>> softsynths in the synth rack voodoo. ;-)
>>
>> Rick
>
> I meant the current version 7.0.1 I was just shorthanding.
> The real thought was that once saving in the V7.0.1 format and reopening
> ...

That's what I thought you meant, and that's the thought I was replying to.
That is, I did try saving in 7.0.1 format and reopening, and that revised
version of the file is what made SONAR poof. That has helped in some
scenarios in the past, but not this particular one. Only the synth
disconnecting/reconnecting "voodoo" (as in "I'm not 100% sure what I did,
but it worked that time, whereas I thought I'd don't something similar
before that didn't work") ultimately got it working.

Rick

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In news:4727adc8$0$11486$ the killer robot Les
Cargill <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

>>> All kidding aside, computers are flaky.
>>
>> No they're not!!! They're crunchy!!! <g>
>>
>
> Mine are all chewy. I must be doing something wrong... too much
> oil, no doubt...

Overclock them at 350 degrees for 20-30 minutes, or until golden brown!

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"Sue Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the
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>> Wow. I had no idea you were having that much trouble. My sympathy.
>> If you have that much instability with so little going on, could it
>> possibly be the computer and not Sonar?

> Nope, tried on all different computers... different hardware, all XP
> Pro though. Before and after SP2 and so on. I would just like to sit
> down and WORK, and there's always some nonsense that stops the
> process... never had that problem very often with hardware!!!

Have you tried using different notes?

We let a guy sit in live with us once who turned out to be a metal head.
After playing one song with us, and returning to his table at the club, our
front man says over the PA, "those notes aren't in our music!!!". <G>

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