http://www.edirol.it/europe/details.asp?ct=4&gid=15&gruppo=Professional&id=12&la=UK&code=343 Pac The definitive audio production environment for Windows SONAR has a well-earned reputation for delivering powerful production tools in a fast, streamlined user interface. With SONAR 4, Cakewalk has added powerful new recording, editing, comping and navigation tools that optimize workflow for today's professional. In addition, version 4 combines innovative Surround Sound and AV capabilities along with precise engineering tools. SONAR 4 Producer edition is the perfect solution for composing, recording, editing, mixing, and remixing music productions; and for providing foley, voice over, score, sound design and post audio for film, TV, video, commercials, and games. With its open support for industry standard technologies and hardware, the scalability of a native processing system, and virtually unlimited software capabilities, SONAR 4 Producer represents the definitive audio & music production software for Windows. SONAR 4 Producer Exclusives * Multi-format surround mixing with over 30 configurations supported (5.1, 7.1, LCRS and more) * Lexicon® Pantheon™ Surround Reverb * Lexicon® Pantheon™ Reverb * Sonitus Surround Compressor * Sonitus fx Suite * SurroundBridge™ - use stereo plug-ins in multi-channel environments * Video Thumbnail track * POW-r Dithering with three algorithms * Prosoniq MPEX time scaling * Dynamic Console with per-channel EQ, assignable FX controls SONAR 4 New Features * Track Folders with the ability to edit the Track Folder Composite Clip * Loop record into layers or individual tracks * Enhanced comping and editing features: clip muting, partial-clip muting, auto-crop tool with cross-fade mode, audition selection, isolate, nudge * Multi-clip slip edits, loop-rolling, fade drawing * Loop construction enhancements: slice-based envelope control of gain, pitch, pan; slice preview; auto-loop * Freeze tracks, effects, and synths; edit, arrange, and convert frozen data into groove clips * Scalable Navigator view to quickly navigate and size viewable area of projects * Configurable Pan law (six stereo panning laws supported) * Professional Metering (peak, RMS, peak and RMS, pre-fader, post-fader, and pre-fader post effects) with configurable ballistics * Key Binding enhancements: presets; templates to mimic keyboard assignments of other DAW programs * TTS-1 multitimbral, multi-out GM2 synthesizer with authentic Roland® sounds * Full control over file export parameters, now with useful and configurable presets * Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, and WMA9 lossless encoding and decoding * Open support for external encoders: surround (Producer Edition only), LAME, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio, etc. * Supports QuickTime, Windows Media Video, and AVI with 5.1 Surround Sound (Producer Edition only) * Bus-able Audio Metronome * Full-control over color settings * Optimized audio engine performance * Export buses and tracks into a composite mixdown, or as individual files SONAR 4 Key Features * Record, edit, arrange and mix unlimited tracks of audio and MIDI * Dynamic Console * Universal Bus Architecture with on-the-fly configuration * 32-Bit floating point audio engine * 80-Bit automation * Full plug-in delay compensation * Ultra-high quality sample rate conversion with Windowed Sync resampler algorithm * Support for any sampling rate (44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 192, 384 kHz) * Precise waveform display at any zoom resolution * Rock-solid synchronization of audio, MIDI, video, external hardware * Sub-sample accurate internal timing resolution for audio, soft synths and automation; 960 PPQN for external MIDI devices * HyperThreading/multiprocessor optimization * Loop-based composition, construction, and editing tools with ACID™ loop and MIDI groove clip support, Cyclone DXi * Support for DirectX and VST audio effects; MFX MIDI FX; DXi and VSTi soft synths; and ReWire 1.0 & 2.0 clients (Project5, Kinetic, Reason, more) * Includes 31 audio effects 4 DXi soft synths, 14 MFX * Advanced MIDI routing & synth layering * Unlimited undo/redo with edit history * Assign hotkeys for custom screen layouts * Views: Arrange, Big Time, Console, Drum Editor, Event List, Loop Construction, Lyrics, Markers, Multitrack Piano Roll, Staff Notation, Playlist, SYSEX, Synth Rack, Tempo list/graph, Video, more * Professional Project File Management Tools: per project audio directories; consolidate project files for fast backup; search for associated files * Extensive, context-sensitive online help and 650+ page printed manual * Unparalleled, free customer service and online user community * Hassle-free copy protection (serial number on installation) * Designed exclusively for and optimized for Windows XP/2000 Hardware and compatibility * OMFI & Broadcast Wave import/export for cross platform collaboration with Digital Performer, Logic, Nuendo, and Pro Tools studios * Import formats: AIF, ASF, AU, AVI (with stereo or 5.1 audio), Broadcast Wave, MIDI, MP2, MP3, MPEG, MPG, OMFI, Quicktime, SND, WAV, Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, Windows Media Video, proprietary Cakewalk formats (.bun, .cwb, .cwp, .wrk) * Export: WAV, ACID-format WAV, Broadcast Wave, AVI (with stereo or 5.1 audio),, OMFI, MIDI, MP3*, Quicktime,, Real Audio G2, Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, and proprietary Cakewalk formats (.cwb, .cwp); Other audio formats supported via external command-line encoders * Open support for external encoders: surround, LAME, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio, etc. * Export video with control over quality settings and codecs * Support for any MIDI compatible hardware control surface (Edirol, Mackie, Tascam, more) * Frame-accurate SMPTE sync with auto-detection of timecode * Multi-port MTC and MIDI sync transmission * Yamaha OPT Level 1 MIDI Hardware Link support * Support for all Windows-compatible audio hardware (including Pro Tools | HD) via ASIO or WDM
It must be coming soon. You can no longer order/upgrade to Sonar 3 on the US site. eric Pac choi wrote: > http://www.edirol.it/europe/details.asp?ct=4&gid=15&gruppo=Professional&id=12&la=UK&code=343 > > >
Yup, and now we get to spend weeks translating what things like: "* Optimized audio engine performance " and * Track Folders with the ability to edit the Track Folder Composite Clip really mean ... pac Eric Deibler wrote: > It must be coming soon. You can no longer order/upgrade to Sonar 3 on > the US site. > eric > > Pac choi wrote: > >> http://www.edirol.it/europe/details.asp?ct=4&gid=15&gruppo=Professional&id=12&la=UK&code=343 >> >> >> >
"Pac choi" <> wrote in message news:WtkZc.560$xr1.559@trnddc04... > http://www.edirol.it/europe/details.asp?ct=4&gid=15&gruppo=Professional&id=12&la=UK&code=343 > > The definitive audio production environment for Windows > > SONAR has a well-earned reputation for delivering powerful production > tools in a fast, streamlined user interface. With SONAR 4, Cakewalk has > added powerful new recording, editing, comping and navigation tools that > optimize workflow for today's professional. In addition, version 4 > combines innovative Surround Sound and AV capabilities along with > precise engineering tools. Wow. I wasn't even considering upgrading but this might be the most important upgrade since Sonar has been in existence. The things I'm most excited about... * POW-r Dithering with three algorithms * Prosoniq MPEX time scaling * Track Folders with the ability to edit the Track Folder Composite Clip * Enhanced comping and editing features: clip muting, partial-clip muting, auto-crop tool with cross-fade mode, audition selection, isolate, nudge * Multi-clip slip edits, loop-rolling, fade drawing
How does one configure a studio to mix in surround? I would assume that there is a whole new monitor setup, with 5, or 7 different components? IOW, I currently have M-Audio Delta 66 / Omni Studio, and two sets of monitors, one powered, one amp driven. How would I set up to mix in surround? Regards, Chris Forsyth "Pac choi" <> wrote in message news:WtkZc.560$xr1.559@trnddc04... > http://www.edirol.it/europe/details.asp?ct=4&gid=15&gruppo=Professional&id=12&la=UK&code=343 > > > Pac > > > The definitive audio production environment for Windows > > SONAR has a well-earned reputation for delivering powerful production > tools in a fast, streamlined user interface. With SONAR 4, Cakewalk has > added powerful new recording, editing, comping and navigation tools that > optimize workflow for today's professional. In addition, version 4 > combines innovative Surround Sound and AV capabilities along with > precise engineering tools. > > SONAR 4 Producer edition is the perfect solution for composing, > recording, editing, mixing, and remixing music productions; and for > providing foley, voice over, score, sound design and post audio for > film, TV, video, commercials, and games. > > With its open support for industry standard technologies and hardware, > the scalability of a native processing system, and virtually unlimited > software capabilities, SONAR 4 Producer represents the definitive audio > & music production software for Windows. > > SONAR 4 Producer Exclusives > > * Multi-format surround mixing with over 30 configurations > supported (5.1, 7.1, LCRS and more) > * Lexicon® Pantheon™ Surround Reverb > * Lexicon® Pantheon™ Reverb > * Sonitus Surround Compressor > * Sonitus fx Suite > * SurroundBridge™ - use stereo plug-ins in multi-channel environments > * Video Thumbnail track > * POW-r Dithering with three algorithms > * Prosoniq MPEX time scaling > * Dynamic Console with per-channel EQ, assignable FX controls > > SONAR 4 New Features > > * Track Folders with the ability to edit the Track Folder Composite > Clip > * Loop record into layers or individual tracks > * Enhanced comping and editing features: clip muting, partial-clip > muting, auto-crop tool with cross-fade mode, audition selection, > isolate, nudge > * Multi-clip slip edits, loop-rolling, fade drawing > * Loop construction enhancements: slice-based envelope control of > gain, pitch, pan; slice preview; auto-loop > * Freeze tracks, effects, and synths; edit, arrange, and convert > frozen data into groove clips > * Scalable Navigator view to quickly navigate and size viewable > area of projects > * Configurable Pan law (six stereo panning laws supported) > * Professional Metering (peak, RMS, peak and RMS, pre-fader, > post-fader, and pre-fader post effects) with configurable ballistics > * Key Binding enhancements: presets; templates to mimic keyboard > assignments of other DAW programs > * TTS-1 multitimbral, multi-out GM2 synthesizer with authentic > Roland® sounds > * Full control over file export parameters, now with useful and > configurable presets > * Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, and WMA9 lossless > encoding and decoding > * Open support for external encoders: surround (Producer Edition > only), LAME, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio, etc. > * Supports QuickTime, Windows Media Video, and AVI with 5.1 > Surround Sound (Producer Edition only) > * Bus-able Audio Metronome > * Full-control over color settings > * Optimized audio engine performance > * Export buses and tracks into a composite mixdown, or as > individual files > > SONAR 4 Key Features > > * Record, edit, arrange and mix unlimited tracks of audio and MIDI > * Dynamic Console > * Universal Bus Architecture with on-the-fly configuration > * 32-Bit floating point audio engine > * 80-Bit automation > * Full plug-in delay compensation > * Ultra-high quality sample rate conversion with Windowed Sync > resampler algorithm > * Support for any sampling rate (44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 192, 384 kHz) > * Precise waveform display at any zoom resolution > * Rock-solid synchronization of audio, MIDI, video, external hardware > * Sub-sample accurate internal timing resolution for audio, soft > synths and automation; 960 PPQN for external MIDI devices > * HyperThreading/multiprocessor optimization > * Loop-based composition, construction, and editing tools with > ACID™ loop and MIDI groove clip support, Cyclone DXi > * Support for DirectX and VST audio effects; MFX MIDI FX; DXi and > VSTi soft synths; and ReWire 1.0 & 2.0 clients (Project5, Kinetic, > Reason, more) > * Includes 31 audio effects 4 DXi soft synths, 14 MFX > * Advanced MIDI routing & synth layering > * Unlimited undo/redo with edit history > * Assign hotkeys for custom screen layouts > * Views: Arrange, Big Time, Console, Drum Editor, Event List, Loop > Construction, Lyrics, Markers, Multitrack Piano Roll, Staff Notation, > Playlist, SYSEX, Synth Rack, Tempo list/graph, Video, more > * Professional Project File Management Tools: per project audio > directories; consolidate project files for fast backup; search for > associated files > * Extensive, context-sensitive online help and 650+ page printed manual > * Unparalleled, free customer service and online user community > * Hassle-free copy protection (serial number on installation) > * Designed exclusively for and optimized for Windows XP/2000 > > Hardware and compatibility > > * OMFI & Broadcast Wave import/export for cross platform > collaboration with Digital Performer, Logic, Nuendo, and Pro Tools studios > * Import formats: AIF, ASF, AU, AVI (with stereo or 5.1 audio), > Broadcast Wave, MIDI, MP2, MP3, MPEG, MPG, OMFI, Quicktime, SND, WAV, > Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, Windows Media > Video, proprietary Cakewalk formats (.bun, .cwb, .cwp, .wrk) > * Export: WAV, ACID-format WAV, Broadcast Wave, AVI (with stereo or > 5.1 audio),, OMFI, MIDI, MP3*, Quicktime,, Real Audio G2, Windows Media > Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, and proprietary Cakewalk > formats (.cwb, .cwp); Other audio formats supported via external > command-line encoders > * Open support for external encoders: surround, LAME, Ogg Vorbis, > Monkey's Audio, etc. > * Export video with control over quality settings and codecs > * Support for any MIDI compatible hardware control surface (Edirol, > Mackie, Tascam, more) > * Frame-accurate SMPTE sync with auto-detection of timecode > * Multi-port MTC and MIDI sync transmission > * Yamaha OPT Level 1 MIDI Hardware Link support > * Support for all Windows-compatible audio hardware (including Pro > Tools | HD) via ASIO or WDM
I was hoping for gapless editing, at least for midi. The ability to set up a loop and add, record and edit tracks without ever stopping playback is a huge creative advantage. Logic has had this for years. Troels "Pac choi" <> wrote in message news:WtkZc.560$xr1.559@trnddc04... > http://www.edirol.it/europe/details.asp?ct=4&gid=15&gruppo=Professional&id=1 2&la=UK&code=343 > > > Pac > > > The definitive audio production environment for Windows > > SONAR has a well-earned reputation for delivering powerful production > tools in a fast, streamlined user interface. With SONAR 4, Cakewalk has > added powerful new recording, editing, comping and navigation tools that > optimize workflow for today's professional. In addition, version 4 > combines innovative Surround Sound and AV capabilities along with > precise engineering tools. > > SONAR 4 Producer edition is the perfect solution for composing, > recording, editing, mixing, and remixing music productions; and for > providing foley, voice over, score, sound design and post audio for > film, TV, video, commercials, and games. > > With its open support for industry standard technologies and hardware, > the scalability of a native processing system, and virtually unlimited > software capabilities, SONAR 4 Producer represents the definitive audio > & music production software for Windows. > > SONAR 4 Producer Exclusives > > * Multi-format surround mixing with over 30 configurations > supported (5.1, 7.1, LCRS and more) > * Lexicon® Pantheon™ Surround Reverb > * Lexicon® Pantheon™ Reverb > * Sonitus Surround Compressor > * Sonitus fx Suite > * SurroundBridge™ - use stereo plug-ins in multi-channel environments > * Video Thumbnail track > * POW-r Dithering with three algorithms > * Prosoniq MPEX time scaling > * Dynamic Console with per-channel EQ, assignable FX controls > > SONAR 4 New Features > > * Track Folders with the ability to edit the Track Folder Composite > Clip > * Loop record into layers or individual tracks > * Enhanced comping and editing features: clip muting, partial-clip > muting, auto-crop tool with cross-fade mode, audition selection, > isolate, nudge > * Multi-clip slip edits, loop-rolling, fade drawing > * Loop construction enhancements: slice-based envelope control of > gain, pitch, pan; slice preview; auto-loop > * Freeze tracks, effects, and synths; edit, arrange, and convert > frozen data into groove clips > * Scalable Navigator view to quickly navigate and size viewable > area of projects > * Configurable Pan law (six stereo panning laws supported) > * Professional Metering (peak, RMS, peak and RMS, pre-fader, > post-fader, and pre-fader post effects) with configurable ballistics > * Key Binding enhancements: presets; templates to mimic keyboard > assignments of other DAW programs > * TTS-1 multitimbral, multi-out GM2 synthesizer with authentic > Roland® sounds > * Full control over file export parameters, now with useful and > configurable presets > * Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, and WMA9 lossless > encoding and decoding > * Open support for external encoders: surround (Producer Edition > only), LAME, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio, etc. > * Supports QuickTime, Windows Media Video, and AVI with 5.1 > Surround Sound (Producer Edition only) > * Bus-able Audio Metronome > * Full-control over color settings > * Optimized audio engine performance > * Export buses and tracks into a composite mixdown, or as > individual files > > SONAR 4 Key Features > > * Record, edit, arrange and mix unlimited tracks of audio and MIDI > * Dynamic Console > * Universal Bus Architecture with on-the-fly configuration > * 32-Bit floating point audio engine > * 80-Bit automation > * Full plug-in delay compensation > * Ultra-high quality sample rate conversion with Windowed Sync > resampler algorithm > * Support for any sampling rate (44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 192, 384 kHz) > * Precise waveform display at any zoom resolution > * Rock-solid synchronization of audio, MIDI, video, external hardware > * Sub-sample accurate internal timing resolution for audio, soft > synths and automation; 960 PPQN for external MIDI devices > * HyperThreading/multiprocessor optimization > * Loop-based composition, construction, and editing tools with > ACID™ loop and MIDI groove clip support, Cyclone DXi > * Support for DirectX and VST audio effects; MFX MIDI FX; DXi and > VSTi soft synths; and ReWire 1.0 & 2.0 clients (Project5, Kinetic, > Reason, more) > * Includes 31 audio effects 4 DXi soft synths, 14 MFX > * Advanced MIDI routing & synth layering > * Unlimited undo/redo with edit history > * Assign hotkeys for custom screen layouts > * Views: Arrange, Big Time, Console, Drum Editor, Event List, Loop > Construction, Lyrics, Markers, Multitrack Piano Roll, Staff Notation, > Playlist, SYSEX, Synth Rack, Tempo list/graph, Video, more > * Professional Project File Management Tools: per project audio > directories; consolidate project files for fast backup; search for > associated files > * Extensive, context-sensitive online help and 650+ page printed manual > * Unparalleled, free customer service and online user community > * Hassle-free copy protection (serial number on installation) > * Designed exclusively for and optimized for Windows XP/2000 > > Hardware and compatibility > > * OMFI & Broadcast Wave import/export for cross platform > collaboration with Digital Performer, Logic, Nuendo, and Pro Tools studios > * Import formats: AIF, ASF, AU, AVI (with stereo or 5.1 audio), > Broadcast Wave, MIDI, MP2, MP3, MPEG, MPG, OMFI, Quicktime, SND, WAV, > Windows Media Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, Windows Media > Video, proprietary Cakewalk formats (.bun, .cwb, .cwp, .wrk) > * Export: WAV, ACID-format WAV, Broadcast Wave, AVI (with stereo or > 5.1 audio),, OMFI, MIDI, MP3*, Quicktime,, Real Audio G2, Windows Media > Audio 9 (WMA), WMA9 Pro 5.1, WMA9 lossless, and proprietary Cakewalk > formats (.cwb, .cwp); Other audio formats supported via external > command-line encoders > * Open support for external encoders: surround, LAME, Ogg Vorbis, > Monkey's Audio, etc. > * Export video with control over quality settings and codecs > * Support for any MIDI compatible hardware control surface (Edirol, > Mackie, Tascam, more) > * Frame-accurate SMPTE sync with auto-detection of timecode > * Multi-port MTC and MIDI sync transmission > * Yamaha OPT Level 1 MIDI Hardware Link support > * Support for all Windows-compatible audio hardware (including Pro > Tools | HD) via ASIO or WDM
Chris Forsyth wrote: > I currently have M-Audio Delta 66 / Omni Studio, and two sets of monitors, > one powered, one amp driven. How would I set up to mix in surround? You would need to utilize 5 outputs on the 66 ( 1/2 ,3/4 and the SPdif). Some 5.1 encoders will take the SPdif out and synthezie it to 5.1...I don't recommend that. You would set Sonar up with the proper sends and returns for 5.1 ( Sonar 4 apparently will do this from the get-go...Nuendo does it right now). You would need an a surround speaker system. If you want a final product, you need a 5.1 encoding software. You need a sense of adventure and a patient family to listen to you 5.1 mixes.<G> A great resource on the web is: http://www.5dot1.com In the beginning it looks complicated, and in reality it is kind of, but it is mostly fun if you ask me. Speakers can be had inexpesively...so long as you are not dependent on them as your mix check speakers. Logitech (Z-680's) are good and they are the same speakers as the Alesis ProActive 5.1 speakers, for less money. They are not great...but then they are not bad either. But like most speaker choices you have to pay to play. Nathan 'What if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?'
"Troels Oxenvad" <> wrote in message news:NRlZc.2958$... > I was hoping for gapless editing, at least for midi. Ditto. This would make me put out the $$ for an upgrade. Poly
On or aboutWed, 01 Sep 2004 15:45:37 GMT, someone purporting to be "polymod" <> felt it necessary to say: > >"Troels Oxenvad" <> wrote in message >news:NRlZc.2958$... >> I was hoping for gapless editing, at least for midi. > >Ditto. This would make me put out the $$ for an upgrade. What's gapless editing? -OF
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:45:37 -0400, polymod wrote: > "Troels Oxenvad" <> wrote in message > news:NRlZc.2958$... >> I was hoping for gapless editing, at least for midi. > > Ditto. This would make me put out the $$ for an upgrade. > > Poly I was also hoping for enhanced control surface support. What would make my Mackie control a lot more convenient and usable is if it displayed only the tracks that were visible on the track view. That way, there would be a 1:1 correspondence between what I saw on the screen and what I saw on my control surface. Another thing that would be nice would be to extend the track manager so that you could set up save views of your project. I typically work with projects that have 50 to 100+ tracks and it would be really nice to group the tracks into views where you only saw what you were interested in working on. None the less, I think the bakers have made some good moves forward by the looks of the new feature list. Nick =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.songbirdofswing.com Nick Busigin Visit Our Indie Jazz CD Construction Project! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"Organfreak" <> wrote in message news:... > On or aboutWed, 01 Sep 2004 15:45:37 GMT, someone purporting to be > "polymod" <> felt it necessary to say: > > > > >"Troels Oxenvad" <> wrote in message > >news:NRlZc.2958$... > >> I was hoping for gapless editing, at least for midi. > > > >Ditto. This would make me put out the $$ for an upgrade. > > What's gapless editing? > > -OF When you edit something while playing back, playback doesn't get interrupted. Try recording some midi, loop it and start editing the midi events in piano roll (while the loop is playing) and you will see what I'm talking about. Troels
On or aboutWed, 01 Sep 2004 16:14:44 GMT, someone purporting to be "Troels Oxenvad" <> felt it necessary to say: > >"Organfreak" <> wrote in message >news:... >> On or aboutWed, 01 Sep 2004 15:45:37 GMT, someone purporting to be >> "polymod" <> felt it necessary to say: >> >> > >> >"Troels Oxenvad" <> wrote in message >> >news:NRlZc.2958$... >> >> I was hoping for gapless editing, at least for midi. >> > >> >Ditto. This would make me put out the $$ for an upgrade. >> >> What's gapless editing? >> >> -OF > >When you edit something while playing back, playback doesn't get >interrupted. >Try recording some midi, loop it and start editing the midi events in piano >roll (while the loop is playing) and >you will see what I'm talking about. > >Troels Thanks Troels. OK, not something I would ever use. -OF
The entity known as Organfreak, posted: >>Try recording some midi, loop it and start editing the midi events in >>piano roll (while the loop is playing) and >>you will see what I'm talking about. > Thanks Troels. OK, not something I would ever use. Me either. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
"Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns955773B62227CBrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.92... > The entity known as Organfreak, posted: > > >>Try recording some midi, loop it and start editing the midi events in > >>piano roll (while the loop is playing) and > >>you will see what I'm talking about. > > > Thanks Troels. OK, not something I would ever use. > > Me either. You never loop a section to do edits? You should try it, beats having to start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back......... I believe this is one of the main reasons a lot of people are not using SONAR, and the reason I'm seriously considering switching to Nuendo, buggy or not. Troels
The entity known as Troels Oxenvad, posted: > You never loop a section to do edits? Nope. I'll loop a section to play along with until I can play the part the way I want it. Then I record the part, played in real time the way you hear it. If the take isn't good, I record it again until I'm satisfied, then I'm done with that section. > You should try it, beats having to start, stop, edit, go back, start, > listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, [...] > I believe this is one of the main reasons a lot of people are not > using SONAR, and the reason I'm seriously considering switching to > Nuendo, buggy or not. I patch effects in while playing back, which can cause a fraction of a second's worth of gapping, but even that doesn't bother me at all. If I were using my old reel-to-reel and physically patched an effect with cables, there would be more of a gap than there is in Sonar, and I don't care if BrandX has zero gapping, because gapping ain't an issue for me. I never did edits of notes when I was working with tape, and I still don't do edits of notes using Sonar, so real time modifying of the notes in a track that's already recorded isn't an issue for me. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
On or aboutWed, 01 Sep 2004 17:59:01 GMT, someone purporting to be "Troels Oxenvad" <> felt it necessary to say: > >"Glennbo" <> wrote in message >news:Xns955773B62227CBrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.92... >> The entity known as Organfreak, posted: >> >> >>Try recording some midi, loop it and start editing the midi events in >> >>piano roll (while the loop is playing) and >> >>you will see what I'm talking about. >> >> > Thanks Troels. OK, not something I would ever use. >> >> Me either. > >You never loop a section to do edits? > >You should try it, beats having to start, stop, edit, go back, start, >listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go >back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, >edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, >start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, >stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, >start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, >go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, >listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go >back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, >edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, >start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, >stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go >back......... Jeez, I guess I'm lucky. I get my edits right the first or second time. -OF
"Organfreak" <> wrote in message news:... > On or aboutWed, 01 Sep 2004 17:59:01 GMT, someone purporting to be > "Troels Oxenvad" <> felt it > necessary to say: > > > > >"Glennbo" <> wrote in message > >news:Xns955773B62227CBrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.92... > >> The entity known as Organfreak, posted: > >> > >> >>Try recording some midi, loop it and start editing the midi events in > >> >>piano roll (while the loop is playing) and > >> >>you will see what I'm talking about. > >> > >> > Thanks Troels. OK, not something I would ever use. > >> > >> Me either. > > > >You never loop a section to do edits? > > > >You should try it, beats having to start, stop, edit, go back, start, > >listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go > >back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, > >edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, > >start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, > >stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, > >start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, > >go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, > >listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go > >back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, > >edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, > >start, listen, stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, > >stop, go back, start, stop, edit, go back, start, listen, stop, go > >back......... > > Jeez, I guess I'm lucky. I get my edits right the first or second > time. Lets say you're building an 8 bar groove from scratch in piano roll, or building a 2 bar drum fill or something like that...... Troels > > -OF >
The entity known as Troels Oxenvad, posted: > Lets say you're building an 8 bar groove from scratch in piano roll, I would not use the piano roll to build an 8 bar groove. I would learn to play the 8 bars on my midi keyboard, then press record in Sonar and record the part. > or building a 2 bar drum fill or something like that...... I would play the part on my V-Drums, and hit record. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
>Try recording some midi, loop it and start editing the midi events in piano roll (while the loop is playing) and you will see what I'm talking about. I'm curious as to what your global midi settings are, I'm doing this right now and I'm getting no interruptions. My midi playback is set to 1024 and Number of Buffers is set to 128. Prince Lee
