Ballmer: We Wasted Too Many Years on Vista http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ballmer-Vista-CEO-Xbox-Steve,10474.html#xtor=RSS-1813 Really? BTW, my local computer store is selling a copy of Vista Ultimate for $100. It's the full bloated version, not an upgrade. Vista Ultimate users were not given any break on the upgrade price for W7 Ultimate.
I like Steve Ballmer. I actually wrote an email to him this past year and he answered me. Very cool! Try and get Steve "I Am Satan" Jobs to answer an email. Maybe if his master Lucifer reminds him about 10x's a day -- Regards, Ted Perlman www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
Well, when w7 first came out, they had an unofficial "appeasement" deal of the 3 pack upgrade for some crazy price like 129, but it looks like once that they felt that they made amends, the price jumped back up. I'm surprised it took him this long to admit it, especially after the laptop manufacturers were offering the option to downgade (?) to XP after all of the complaints. "kitekrazy" <> wrote in message news:ht72m1$9rt$-september.org... > Ballmer: We Wasted Too Many Years on Vista > > http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ballmer-Vista-CEO-Xbox-Steve,10474.html#xtor=RSS-1813 > > > Really? > > > BTW, my local computer store is selling a copy of Vista Ultimate for $100. > It's the full bloated version, not an upgrade. > > Vista Ultimate users were not given any break on the upgrade price for W7 > Ultimate.
In news:ht72m1$9rt$-september.org the killer robot kitekrazy <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Ballmer: We Wasted Too Many Years on Vista Microsoft wasted an entire week trying to get a machine in my office that was running XP and all the M$ development languages perfectly, to work after a Vista ?upgrade?. After installing Vista on that machine, none of their own development software would fire up (along with other problems), and after a week of five different expert engineers taking stabs at it, I rolled the machine back to XP with an Acronis image. The following week I got an email from, and I shit you not "Ravi Shankar" at Microsoft, wanting to know when we could resume trying to fix my Vista machine. I emailed him back saying that I'd rolled back to XP, because I'd already lost a week's worth of work dicking with their POS new OS. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
I remember that -- you posted here about your experience during that week-from-vista-h*ll. Guess what I just heard at work? My employer, who "officially" deploys only XP (SP2! They are crazy! SP3 works fine with all our software, I've been deploying anyway and running it for years), has just announced that with EOL for XP they will be rolling out.... wait for it.... Vista! I could not believe I heard this. I had to ask the powers-that-be what this was about. The answer: We already own nnnn licenses of Vista. To go to W7 instead would require spending too much $$. So I had to say it: Then why change at all? The smarter thing by far would be to stay on XP for the desktops. We have excellent enterprise firewall and beastie capture infrastructure. For the mobile folk, go W7 or better yet linuxa and VMs on the laptops, since they'll be out from behind the firewall. If m$ is not patching XP anymore who cares....? Besides, it seems all the patching is what CAUSED most of the holes for beasties in XP/IE anyway :-/ I think my argument was not received well by the powers-that-be, and we'll be seeing a Vista rollout anyway... :-( -- Sue Morton "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9D8062F79FC10BrownShoesDontMakeIt@85.214.78.28... > In news:ht72m1$9rt$-september.org the killer robot > kitekrazy > <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >> Ballmer: We Wasted Too Many Years on Vista > > Microsoft wasted an entire week trying to get a machine in my office > that > was running XP and all the M$ development languages perfectly, to work > after a Vista ?upgrade?. After installing Vista on that machine, none > of > their own development software would fire up (along with other > problems), > and after a week of five different expert engineers taking stabs at > it, I > rolled the machine back to XP with an Acronis image. > > The following week I got an email from, and I shit you not "Ravi > Shankar" > at Microsoft, wanting to know when we could resume trying to fix my > Vista > machine. I emailed him back saying that I'd rolled back to XP, > because I'd > already lost a week's worth of work dicking with their POS new OS. > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email > ________ __ > / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ > / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ > / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / > \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
In news:ht8s0r$1ki$-september.org the killer robot "Sue Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > I remember that -- you posted here about your experience during that > week-from-vista-h*ll. > > Guess what I just heard at work? My employer, who "officially" deploys > only XP (SP2! They are crazy! SP3 works fine with all our software, > I've been deploying anyway and running it for years), has just announced > that with EOL for XP they will be rolling out.... > > wait for it.... > > > Vista! Holy crap!!!! > I could not believe I heard this. I had to ask the powers-that-be what > this was about. The answer: We already own nnnn licenses of Vista. To > go to W7 instead would require spending too much $$. > > So I had to say it: Then why change at all? The smarter thing by far > would be to stay on XP for the desktops. We have excellent enterprise > firewall and beastie capture infrastructure. For the mobile folk, go > W7 or better yet linuxa and VMs on the laptops, since they'll be out > from behind the firewall. > > If m$ is not patching XP anymore who cares....? Besides, it seems all > the patching is what CAUSED most of the holes for beasties in XP/IE > anyway :-/ > > I think my argument was not received well by the powers-that-be, and > we'll be seeing a Vista rollout anyway... :-( I've known developers who clung to old OSs before. One of the languages I write in has numerous people still setting people up with Win2000. I'm surprised they didn't just stick with DOS 6.22 to be completely safe. I push my company to get with whatever is the OS that will be on new off the self PCs that our customers will be buying, although I did recommend that people who bought machines with Vista to do the downgrade if they wanted to have hair at the end of the day. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
On 10-05-21 06:16 PM, Ted Perlman wrote: > I like Steve Ballmer. I actually wrote an email to him this past year and he > answered me. Very cool! > > Try and get Steve "I Am Satan" Jobs to answer an email. Maybe if his master > Lucifer reminds him about 10x's a day I'm no fan of Steve Jobs, but I think you're wrong here: <http://www.businessinsider.com/my-amazing-email-exchange-with-steve-jobs-2010-5> I think Balmer's been Microsoft's worst enemy, frankly. The more power he's gained within the company, the more MS has morphed into the bullying, thoughtlessly aggressive monster it is, and the fewer good ideas have come out of it. That's merely my personal opinion, though. Wouldn't want to get in his bad books, and have chairs and lawsuits flying in my direction. Windows 7 is a bit of a relief, though. Pretty solid so far. Cheers, Martin
On 10-05-22 08:16 AM, Glennbo wrote: > I've known developers who clung to old OSs before. One of the languages I > write in has numerous people still setting people up with Win2000. I'm > surprised they didn't just stick with DOS 6.22 to be completely safe. I > push my company to get with whatever is the OS that will be on new off the > self PCs that our customers will be buying, although I did recommend that > people who bought machines with Vista to do the downgrade if they wanted to > have hair at the end of the day. I develop Windows software, and I keep my development machines for old-but-still-supported applications as VMs, running under VirtualBox on Linux. That way I can keep bug-fixing and supporting the app indefinitely, without having to worry about hardware failures and the need to migrate a complicated set of IDE tools to a newer OS where they most likely won't run. I have an XP VM, for instance, that has some Delphi 5 projects that were first released in 2003; they're still in use -- they're now freeware -- and I'll be able to keep fixing them if necessary for an indefinite time. I'd like to be able to do that with Sonar installs, actually. It's a bit of a drag to have to migrate a project from years ago to use a whole new set of VSTs and plugins that are no longer available; it would be nice, if you just wanted to do a quick remix of an old song, to fire up a VM of the machine where it was originally created, run Sonar 2 (or whatever), and go for it. But we'll need pretty fast machines to run VMs that can handle all the audio and MIDI stuff well enough. Cheers, Martin
On Sat, 22 May 2010 08:07:55 -0700, "Sue Morton" <> wrote: > Guess what I just heard at work? My employer, who "officially" deploys > only XP (SP2! They are crazy! SP3 works fine with all our software, > I've been deploying anyway and running it for years), has just announced > that with EOL for XP they will be rolling out.... > wait for it.... > Vista! > I could not believe I heard this. I had to ask the powers-that-be what > this was about. The answer: We already own nnnn licenses of Vista. To > go to W7 instead would require spending too much $$. ....like "any".
Bigger problem for me is the hardware interface problems with VMs running inside host software like VirtualBox. Don't get me wrong, I use VirtualBox on almost every PC, it has come a long way and is getting better all the time. When VMs get to the point where they support transparent passthrough for ANY hardware installed on the host, and or drivers installed in the VM but transparent activity with the host, that will make them really come to the fore. Until then, VMs aren't useful for me as they don't interact well with my soundcards (except via high-latency emulation) and don't work at all with modems and other similar box hardware. -- Sue Morton "Martin Holmes" <> wrote in message news:gqUJn.37774$... > On 10-05-22 08:16 AM, Glennbo wrote: > >> I've known developers who clung to old OSs before. One of the >> languages I >> write in has numerous people still setting people up with Win2000. >> I'm >> surprised they didn't just stick with DOS 6.22 to be completely safe. >> I >> push my company to get with whatever is the OS that will be on new >> off the >> self PCs that our customers will be buying, although I did recommend >> that >> people who bought machines with Vista to do the downgrade if they >> wanted to >> have hair at the end of the day. > > I develop Windows software, and I keep my development machines for > old-but-still-supported applications as VMs, running under VirtualBox > on Linux. That way I can keep bug-fixing and supporting the app > indefinitely, without having to worry about hardware failures and the > need to migrate a complicated set of IDE tools to a newer OS where > they most likely won't run. I have an XP VM, for instance, that has > some Delphi 5 projects that were first released in 2003; they're still > in use -- they're now freeware -- and I'll be able to keep fixing them > if necessary for an indefinite time. > > I'd like to be able to do that with Sonar installs, actually. It's a > bit of a drag to have to migrate a project from years ago to use a > whole new set of VSTs and plugins that are no longer available; it > would be nice, if you just wanted to do a quick remix of an old song, > to fire up a VM of the machine where it was originally created, run > Sonar 2 (or whatever), and go for it. But we'll need pretty fast > machines to run VMs that can handle all the audio and MIDI stuff well > enough. > > Cheers, > Martin >
Unfortunately, or not, I had Vista x64 installed on my DAW. At the time it seemed like the right thing to do and I haven't really had any problems except that I really hate the look of the directories. Sonar 8.5 has been rock solid with it but with all the good things being said about Windows 7 I am thinking about doing an upgrade to W7 x64. Part of me says if it ain't broke don't fix it and the other part says go for the latest and greatest version of Windows. Am I asking for trouble if I upgrade? Will I have to reinstall most of my programs? I really don't want to spend a huge amount of time on getting things to run right. MICHAEL FANNING, http://www.soundclick.com/michaelfanning "kitekrazy" <> wrote in message news:ht72m1$9rt$-september.org... > Ballmer: We Wasted Too Many Years on Vista > > http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ballmer-Vista-CEO-Xbox-Steve,10474.html#xtor=RSS-1813 > > > Really? > > > BTW, my local computer store is selling a copy of Vista Ultimate for $100. > It's the full bloated version, not an upgrade. > > Vista Ultimate users were not given any break on the upgrade price for W7 > Ultimate.
In news:tiUJn.14242$ the killer robot Martin Holmes <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Windows 7 is a bit of a relief, though. Pretty solid so far. I'm giving my clientele a green light on it. Running it at my office as well, but not at home. My DAW is working just fine with XP, so since it ain't broke, I'm *not* fixing it. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
In news:gqUJn.37774$ the killer robot Martin Holmes <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > I develop Windows software, and I keep my development machines for > old-but-still-supported applications as VMs, running under VirtualBox on > Linux. That way I can keep bug-fixing and supporting the app > indefinitely, without having to worry about hardware failures and the > need to migrate a complicated set of IDE tools to a newer OS where they > most likely won't run. I have an XP VM, for instance, that has some > Delphi 5 projects that were first released in 2003; they're still in use > -- they're now freeware -- and I'll be able to keep fixing them if > necessary for an indefinite time. I do a similar thing, but Window 7 is my workstation at the office, and I use M$ virtual PC to run XP, Vista, 2000, Win98, and Win95 for testing. > I'd like to be able to do that with Sonar installs, actually. It's a bit > of a drag to have to migrate a project from years ago to use a whole new > set of VSTs and plugins that are no longer available; it would be nice, > if you just wanted to do a quick remix of an old song, to fire up a VM > of the machine where it was originally created, run Sonar 2 (or > whatever), and go for it. But we'll need pretty fast machines to run VMs > that can handle all the audio and MIDI stuff well enough. These days, if I want to visit an old song, I port it into Reaper, and completely re-mix and master it with the FX I have at my disposal now. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
In news:ht9crn$e4g$-september.org the killer robot "Sue Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > When VMs get to the point where they support transparent passthrough for > ANY hardware installed on the host, and or drivers installed in the VM > but transparent activity with the host, that will make them really come > to the fore. Until then, VMs aren't useful for me as they don't > interact well with my soundcards (except via high-latency emulation) and > don't work at all with modems and other similar box hardware. You know the virtual Amiga I use on my DAW (WinUAE) supports passthrough of parallel, serial, *midi*, joystick, mouse, Windows audio, etc. I can actually run my old copy of Dr. T's KCS for Amiga from a virtual copy of my old Amiga's HD, and it works like the original. I've even ported songs out of emulated Amiga KCS to PC, and then finished up the song in Sonar or Reaper. http://members.cox.net/glennbo/DrT.jpg -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
In news:I2YJn.10158$% the killer robot "Michael Fanning" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Part of me says if it ain't broke don't fix it And that's the part to listen to. If the benefit is small, and the time and effort is great, then it isn't a good trade off. You could be *recording* rather than *configuring*. I am definately in the camp that says if it's working, then use it. Don't fix it! -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
Glennbo- Thanks for the input there. That makes good sense. M.F. "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9D80CAD0AF822BrownShoesDontMakeIt@85.214.78.28... > In news:I2YJn.10158$% the killer robot "Michael > Fanning" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >> Part of me says if it ain't broke don't fix it > > And that's the part to listen to. If the benefit is small, and the time > and effort is great, then it isn't a good trade off. You could be > *recording* rather than *configuring*. I am definately in the camp that > says if it's working, then use it. Don't fix it! > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email > ________ __ > / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ > / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ > / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / > \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
On 5/22/2010 4:31 PM, Michael Fanning wrote: > Unfortunately, or not, I had Vista x64 installed on my DAW. At the time > it seemed like the right thing to do and I haven't really had any > problems except that I really hate the look of the directories. Sonar > 8.5 has been rock solid with it but with all the good things being said > about Windows 7 I am thinking about doing an upgrade to W7 x64. Part of > me says if it ain't broke don't fix it and the other part says go for > the latest and greatest version of Windows. Am I asking for trouble if I > upgrade? Will I have to reinstall most of my programs? I really don't > want to spend a huge amount of time on getting things to run right. > If you do an upgrade, it won't erase your OS.
On May 22, 10:16 am, Glennbo <> wrote: > I've known developers who clung to old OSs before. One of the languages I > write in has numerous people still setting people up with Win2000. Holy crap, you're still doing dataflex? lol
The killer robot rr <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... >> I've known developers who clung to old OSs before. ÿOne of the languages >> I write in has numerous people still setting people up with Win2000. > > Holy crap, you're still doing dataflex? Yep! And even though it's console mode app, (that looks kinda like DOS) it has mouse clickable buttons and graphics, and will run totally fine on a brand new shiny Windows 7 64 bit system. Here's a quick screen grab. http://members.cox.net/glennbopix/Inventory.jpg -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
On 5/24/2010 12:09 PM, Glennbo wrote: > The killer robot rr<> grabbed the controls of the > spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >>> I've known developers who clung to old OSs before. ÿOne of the languages >>> I write in has numerous people still setting people up with Win2000. >> >> Holy crap, you're still doing dataflex? > > Yep! And even though it's console mode app, (that looks kinda like DOS) it > has mouse clickable buttons and graphics, and will run totally fine on a > brand new shiny Windows 7 64 bit system. Here's a quick screen grab. > > http://members.cox.net/glennbopix/Inventory.jpg > yuuuuuuuuch!!!!!!
