sound card recommendation for sonar 7 and vista

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  1. riplead Guest

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    Hi,

    I am currently using a Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS, and getting audio pops
    even with the latest drivers.

    I run a Mackie Mixer into my soundcard and out to my amp + monitors.
    It's primarily used for jamming with friends, but I would also like to
    get quality recordings too.

    I need a recommendation for a good sound card. It only needs stereo in/
    out.

    Thanks in advance,

    John
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  2. Glennbo Guest

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    > I am currently using a Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS, and getting audio pops
    > even with the latest drivers.
    >
    > I run a Mackie Mixer into my soundcard and out to my amp + monitors.
    > It's primarily used for jamming with friends, but I would also like to
    > get quality recordings too.
    >
    > I need a recommendation for a good sound card. It only needs stereo in/
    > out.


    An M-Audio Delta AP2496 or an Echo MIA would be ones to start looking at.
    Whether they have drivers for Veesta yet is another question. Having seen
    how much Vista sucks up clock cycles over XP, I don't mess with it.

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  3. Sue Morton Guest

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    I have an M-Audio Audiophile 192 in one of my machines. More ins/outs than
    you need but an awesome card.
    http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile192-main.html however I
    don't see that it has drivers for Vista...

    http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html is the
    Audiophile 2496, I've never used one but a lot of people on this group have.
    Unfortunately no mention of Vista here either...

    Another card I have is the Echo Audio Mia Midi, this is a really great
    little card http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/MiaMIDI/specs.php and easy
    on the budget, but again I don't see Vista mentioned...

    If you do any MIDI work, keep in mind your Soundblaster Audigy uses hardware
    MIDI synths. Any pro or "pro-sumer" card will not have onboard hardware
    synths, you'll use software synths so a "beefier" machine is generally
    required. If all you need is audio this is not much of a concern.

    Also, the Echo Audio Mia (without Midi) is a discontinued card but is the
    same card as the above, sans Midi. IF you can find it for sale, it is
    usually pretty dang cheap. A good little card if you can find one.

    Who makes pro or "pro-sumer" cards for home use, with decent latency, that
    play nice with Vista?
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    riplead wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am currently using a Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS, and getting audio pops
    > even with the latest drivers.
    >
    > I run a Mackie Mixer into my soundcard and out to my amp + monitors.
    > It's primarily used for jamming with friends, but I would also like to
    > get quality recordings too.
    >
    > I need a recommendation for a good sound card. It only needs stereo
    > in/ out.
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > John
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    Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
    cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

    > I have an M-Audio Audiophile 192 in one of my machines. More ins/outs
    > than you need but an awesome card.
    > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile192-main.html however
    > I don't see that it has drivers for Vista...
    >
    > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html is the
    > Audiophile 2496, I've never used one but a lot of people on this group
    > have. Unfortunately no mention of Vista here either...
    >
    > Another card I have is the Echo Audio Mia Midi, this is a really great
    > little card http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/MiaMIDI/specs.php
    > and easy on the budget, but again I don't see Vista mentioned...
    >
    > If you do any MIDI work, keep in mind your Soundblaster Audigy uses
    > hardware MIDI synths. Any pro or "pro-sumer" card will not have
    > onboard hardware synths, you'll use software synths so a "beefier"
    > machine is generally required. If all you need is audio this is not
    > much of a concern.
    >
    > Also, the Echo Audio Mia (without Midi) is a discontinued card but is
    > the same card as the above, sans Midi. IF you can find it for sale,
    > it is usually pretty dang cheap. A good little card if you can find
    > one.
    >
    > Who makes pro or "pro-sumer" cards for home use, with decent latency,
    > that play nice with Vista?


    Vista SP1 adds yet another dimension of mud to the equation.

    http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=d7f53ccc72fdcc7753319e80e1279449

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  5. Ricky Hunt Guest

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    "riplead" <> wrote in message
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    > Hi,
    >
    > I am currently using a Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS, and getting audio pops
    > even with the latest drivers.
    >
    > I run a Mackie Mixer into my soundcard and out to my amp + monitors.
    > It's primarily used for jamming with friends, but I would also like to
    > get quality recordings too.
    >
    > I need a recommendation for a good sound card. It only needs stereo in/
    > out.
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > John


    I have a friend using an Audigy (don't know the model) but his works fine
    and his recordings sound fine. You need to make sure your soundcard settings
    (as well as some things in Windows) are optimized first. It could be you
    would end up with the same problems even with a new soundcard. I would get
    these worked out first.
  6. Glennbo Guest

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    In news:8RtYj.171670$yE1.140431@attbi_s21 the killer robot "Ricky Hunt"
    <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
    cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

    > I have a friend using an Audigy (don't know the model) but his works
    > fine and his recordings sound fine. You need to make sure your
    > soundcard settings (as well as some things in Windows) are optimized
    > first. It could be you would end up with the same problems even with a
    > new soundcard. I would get these worked out first.


    I know first hand that Vista sucks up a *lot* more clock cycles than XP
    does, and it's index service is a real pig. On my dual boot P4 2.4Ghz
    machine you can literally see the difference doing simple stuff like
    scrolling a web page. In XP it's smooth, and in Vista it's jerk jerk jerk.

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    In news:3aBYj.1956$ the killer robot "Sue
    Morton" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
    cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

    >> Vista SP1 adds yet another dimension of mud to the equation.
    >>
    >> http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=d7f53ccc72fdcc77533
    >> 19e80e1279449


    > Ouch. It appears Vista is still somewhat out of the picture when it
    > comes to driver support...


    Yep, it's no fun being out on the bleeding edge.

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  9. Sue Morton Guest

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    Or just bleeding :-(
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    "Glennbo" <> wrote in message
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    > Yep, it's no fun being out on the bleeding edge.
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    They have already posted how bad Vista is, but if you are still interested,
    Echo has good Vista drivers, and I have heard that Edirol has good Vista
    drivers.
    Max Arwood

    "riplead" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am currently using a Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS, and getting audio pops
    > even with the latest drivers.
    >
    > I run a Mackie Mixer into my soundcard and out to my amp + monitors.
    > It's primarily used for jamming with friends, but I would also like to
    > get quality recordings too.
    >
    > I need a recommendation for a good sound card. It only needs stereo in/
    > out.
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > John
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    "Glennbo" wrote
    >
    > Vista SP1 adds yet another dimension of mud to the equation.
    >
    > http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=d7f53ccc72fdcc7753319e80e1279449
    > Glennbo


    I have SP1 on my Compaq with Vista Home Premium. My AP2496 card seems to
    still be working just fine. I tried it with every audio program I have
    installed an had no problem with any of them. I'm using driver version
    5.10.0.5065 that I downloaded from the M-Audio driver page. Maybe I'm just
    lucky.<g>
  12. Glennbo Guest

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    In news:9130d$483329e9$62143999$ the killer robot
    "sambodidley" <> grabbed the controls of the
    spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

    >> Vista SP1 adds yet another dimension of mud to the equation.
    >>
    >> http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=d7f53ccc72fdcc77533
    >> 19e80e1279449 Glennbo

    >
    > I have SP1 on my Compaq with Vista Home Premium. My AP2496 card seems
    > to still be working just fine. I tried it with every audio program I
    > have installed an had no problem with any of them. I'm using driver
    > version 5.10.0.5065 that I downloaded from the M-Audio driver page.
    > Maybe I'm just lucky.<g>


    I have no doubt that many existing drivers for XP will work, but aren't
    officially supported because they haven't been through much if any testing.

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    "Glennbo" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns9AA4983753114BrownShoesDontMakeIt@207.115.33.102...
    > In news:9130d$483329e9$62143999$ the killer robot
    > "sambodidley" <> grabbed the controls of the
    > spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
    >
    >>> Vista SP1 adds yet another dimension of mud to the equation.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=d7f53ccc72fdcc77533
    >>> 19e80e1279449 Glennbo

    >>
    >> I have SP1 on my Compaq with Vista Home Premium. My AP2496 card seems
    >> to still be working just fine. I tried it with every audio program I
    >> have installed an had no problem with any of them. I'm using driver
    >> version 5.10.0.5065 that I downloaded from the M-Audio driver page.
    >> Maybe I'm just lucky.<g>

    >
    > I have no doubt that many existing drivers for XP will work, but aren't
    > officially supported because they haven't been through much if any
    > testing.
    > Glennbo


    That is the driver M-Audio gave me for Vista from their driver selector page
    where you enter the card and the O/S. I installed it before Vista updated
    to SP1. I also have an AP2496 card in my WinXP home computer. The driver
    listed for it and the one I'm using for WinXP is 5.10.005057. BTW, my Vista
    computer is an ACER dual core 64 with 4 gigs matched ram. The Compaq is my
    WinXP computer. It is a P4 3.06 with 2 gigs matched ram.
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    Glennbo wrote:
    > In news:8RtYj.171670$yE1.140431@attbi_s21 the killer robot "Ricky Hunt"
    > <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
    > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
    >
    >> I have a friend using an Audigy (don't know the model) but his works
    >> fine and his recordings sound fine. You need to make sure your
    >> soundcard settings (as well as some things in Windows) are optimized
    >> first. It could be you would end up with the same problems even with a
    >> new soundcard. I would get these worked out first.

    >
    > I know first hand that Vista sucks up a *lot* more clock cycles than XP
    > does, and it's index service is a real pig. On my dual boot P4 2.4Ghz
    > machine you can literally see the difference doing simple stuff like
    > scrolling a web page. In XP it's smooth, and in Vista it's jerk jerk jerk.
    >


    I might buy a couple more copies of XP this summer. MS is going to
    support XP up to 2014. I wonder how many people will still be using XP
    by then.

    MS has gotten worse since Balmer took over. It might be a crap shoot
    that Windows 7 will be any better than Vista.
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    I'm now happy again with my PreSonus FireBox. Tech support at PreSonus
    was great help. The week of hell I went through with it makes me
    hesitate to recommend it though.

    Pity: It worked well out of the box (before I upgraded the drivers,
    which upgraded the firmware, which screwed up the box), it's preamps
    don't sound too shabby, it's relatively stable and has nice low latency.
    I'd definitely solicit other experiences before I bought one.

    It's currently working well for me again.

    KO

    riplead wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am currently using a Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS, and getting audio pops
    > even with the latest drivers.
    >
    > I run a Mackie Mixer into my soundcard and out to my amp + monitors.
    > It's primarily used for jamming with friends, but I would also like to
    > get quality recordings too.
    >
    > I need a recommendation for a good sound card. It only needs stereo in/
    > out.
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > John
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    Kraig Olmstead wrote:
    > I'm now happy again with my PreSonus FireBox. Tech support at PreSonus
    > was great help. The week of hell I went through with it makes me
    > hesitate to recommend it though.
    >
    > Pity: It worked well out of the box (before I upgraded the drivers,
    > which upgraded the firmware, which screwed up the box), it's preamps
    > don't sound too shabby, it's relatively stable and has nice low latency.
    > I'd definitely solicit other experiences before I bought one.
    >
    > It's currently working well for me again.
    >
    > KO
    >


    What kind of latency are you getting? My Presonus 1394 seems to lock at
    4ms but I've never had a pop or click come out of it. Id' definitely buy
    another one if I needed to.
  17. Kraig Olmstead Guest

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    I'm running at 3.0 ms. The machine is a Dell laptop with a 2.13 GHz
    Centrino, 2 GB of RAM and a 160 GB Seagate HD (5400 RPM).

    I can't get crazy with it, but I use that as a way to keep me from
    getting too fancy with production, as I'm trying to focus more on
    learning more about how music fits together than on doing songs. Maybe
    if I start working on voice leading the feature will turn into a limitation.

    I'd love to know how other Sonar users are getting along with the
    FireBox. My one experience with upgrading the drivers makes me think
    it's going to be widely dissed and it concerns me about buying PreSonus
    in the future.

    That being said, this one is doing everything I want it to do for me and
    I'm very happy with it.

    KO

    kitekrazy wrote:
    > Kraig Olmstead wrote:
    >> I'm now happy again with my PreSonus FireBox. Tech support at
    >> PreSonus was great help. The week of hell I went through with it
    >> makes me hesitate to recommend it though.
    >>
    >> Pity: It worked well out of the box (before I upgraded the drivers,
    >> which upgraded the firmware, which screwed up the box), it's preamps
    >> don't sound too shabby, it's relatively stable and has nice low
    >> latency. I'd definitely solicit other experiences before I bought one.
    >>
    >> It's currently working well for me again.
    >>
    >> KO
    >>

    >
    > What kind of latency are you getting? My Presonus 1394 seems to lock at
    > 4ms but I've never had a pop or click come out of it. Id' definitely buy
    > another one if I needed to.
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