Step-Recording - not longer available or where is the function?

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  1. Gerd-Ulrich Meyer Guest

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    Hallo,

    before i ask and you'r wondering about my english: I'm german but as i
    have seen here so many people being "a kind of married" with cubase, i
    decided to post my question here, though.

    Long, long time ago i had used a Cubase Score 1.1 (that was back to the
    times of Windows 3.1 and (loved) old MS-DOS. There, my Cubase had the
    "Step-Recording"-Function - and i used this function always when i had
    to "simulate" Guitar-Chords. Please don't ask why i did not do it what
    different way ever - it was my fastest way to get an acceptable
    Guitar-Track.

    Now, using Cubase LE (v. 1.0.8) i'm searching around to find this
    function again. But neither in the Key-Editor (where i had expected it)
    nor in the help-file i can find this funtion. Not even a mention of it.

    So: Has this function been cut off? Why? Or is it discovered in a
    different place?

    Please help me - i don't like the idea of slowing down the speed of the
    song only to play my guitar-chords. That kills all the feeling.

    Many thanks in advance

    Greetings

    Gerd-Ulrich Meyer
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  2. Hueyduck Guest

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    Gerd-Ulrich Meyer a écrit :
    > Hallo,
    >
    > before i ask and you'r wondering about my english: I'm german but as i
    > have seen here so many people being "a kind of married" with cubase, i
    > decided to post my question here, though.
    >
    > Long, long time ago i had used a Cubase Score 1.1 (that was back to the
    > times of Windows 3.1 and (loved) old MS-DOS. There, my Cubase had the
    > "Step-Recording"-Function - and i used this function always when i had
    > to "simulate" Guitar-Chords. Please don't ask why i did not do it what
    > different way ever - it was my fastest way to get an acceptable
    > Guitar-Track.
    >
    > Now, using Cubase LE (v. 1.0.8) i'm searching around to find this
    > function again.


    The step recording must be activated in the edit view (when you double
    click on a midi container in order to have the famous piano roll, you
    can see a series of icon in the right upper corner; one of them should
    be a drawing off little feet).

    This is still called "step recording", so you might be lucky typing
    those words in the cubase help.

    Huey
  3. Gerd-Ulrich Meyer Guest

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    Hallo,

    Hueyduck schrieb:
    > Gerd-Ulrich Meyer a écrit :
    >> Hallo,
    >>
    >> before i ask and you'r wondering about my english: I'm german but as i
    >> have seen here so many people being "a kind of married" with cubase, i
    >> decided to post my question here, though.
    >>
    >> Long, long time ago i had used a Cubase Score 1.1 (that was back to
    >> the times of Windows 3.1 and (loved) old MS-DOS. There, my Cubase had
    >> the "Step-Recording"-Function - and i used this function always when i
    >> had to "simulate" Guitar-Chords. Please don't ask why i did not do it
    >> what different way ever - it was my fastest way to get an acceptable
    >> Guitar-Track.
    >>
    >> Now, using Cubase LE (v. 1.0.8) i'm searching around to find this
    >> function again.

    >
    > The step recording must be activated in the edit view (when you double
    > click on a midi container in order to have the famous piano roll, you
    > can see a series of icon in the right upper corner; one of them should
    > be a drawing off little feet).
    >
    > This is still called "step recording", so you might be lucky typing
    > those words in the cubase help.


    That were the things i tried before posting here. The cubase help finds
    many topics with the keyword "Step" (or in german "schritt") but none of
    those topics is step-recording-related.
    And looking in die edit view i can see a series of icons but none of it
    looks like you describe.
    Is it possible that the LE-Versions of cubase don't contain this feature?

    >
    > Huey


    Gerd-Ulrich Meyer
  4. nickm Guest

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    "Gerd-Ulrich Meyer" <> wrote in message
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    > Hallo,
    >
    > before i ask and you'r wondering about my english: I'm german but as i
    > have seen here so many people being "a kind of married" with cubase, i
    > decided to post my question here, though.
    >
    > Long, long time ago i had used a Cubase Score 1.1 (that was back to the
    > times of Windows 3.1 and (loved) old MS-DOS. There, my Cubase had the
    > "Step-Recording"-Function - and i used this function always when i had to
    > "simulate" Guitar-Chords. Please don't ask why i did not do it what
    > different way ever - it was my fastest way to get an acceptable
    > Guitar-Track.
    >
    > Now, using Cubase LE (v. 1.0.8) i'm searching around to find this function
    > again. But neither in the Key-Editor (where i had expected it) nor in the
    > help-file i can find this funtion. Not even a mention of it.
    >
    > So: Has this function been cut off? Why? Or is it discovered in a
    > different place?
    >
    > Please help me - i don't like the idea of slowing down the speed of the
    > song only to play my guitar-chords. That kills all the feeling.
    >
    > Many thanks in advance
    >
    > Greetings
    >
    > Gerd-Ulrich Meyer


    What you are looking for *may* not exist in Cubase LE v1, but I suspect it
    does. Cubase Score from Windows 3.11 days and Cubase LE are very different
    products. Cubase LE is the light edition and is a cut down version of the
    full version and is missing some features of the full version. I'm not sure
    which 'full' version of Cubase that Cubase LE v1 is based on. I normally
    run the current version of Cubase (version 5), but have a copy of Cubase LE
    4 that came bundled with an audio interface. Both Cubase 5 and Cubase LE4
    are based on successive iterations of the original Cubase SX version which
    was a complete rewrite of the software.

    Assuming that what you want is in LE version 1 somewhere, the feature of
    Step Writing as I understand it simply consists of drawing in MIDI notes
    inside the piano-roll key editor. this is available in LE4 and I would
    think it's in LE 1 too.

    Open Cubase, create a project, add tracks of the required type and of course
    at least one will need to be a MIDI track. In the Arrange window, draw in
    a few blank bars on the MIDI track. Double click within the bars you have
    drawn and the Key Editor will open. From there you can draw in your notes.

    I 'think' this is what you are looking for.

    I'm pretty certain though that you won't find guitar chord boxes or score
    features like you would have in Cubase Score within Cubase LE
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  5. Gerd-Ulrich Meyer Guest

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    Hallo,

    nickm schrieb:
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    > "Gerd-Ulrich Meyer" <> wrote in message
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    > What you are looking for *may* not exist in Cubase LE v1, but I suspect
    > it does. Cubase Score from Windows 3.11 days and Cubase LE are very
    > different products. Cubase LE is the light edition and is a cut down
    > version of the full version and is missing some features of the full
    > version.


    That was already my suspicion, but i was not sure. So i asked here.

    > I'm not sure which 'full' version of Cubase that Cubase LE v1
    > is based on. I normally run the current version of Cubase (version 5),
    > but have a copy of Cubase LE 4 that came bundled with an audio
    > interface. Both Cubase 5 and Cubase LE4 are based on successive
    > iterations of the original Cubase SX version which was a complete
    > rewrite of the software.


    When someday i have enough money i want to buy me the then current
    version of cubase. i hate having incomplete software but at the moment i
    have no other choice.
    >
    > Assuming that what you want is in LE version 1 somewhere, the feature of
    > Step Writing as I understand it simply consists of drawing in MIDI notes
    > inside the piano-roll key editor.

    I'm very sorry but this is _not_ what i want. The advantage of the
    step-recording is, as you know, that i can put my notes (chords) beat by
    beat and bar by bar with each one "hit" on the MIDI-Keyboard. I haven't
    to draw all notes belonging to one chord and then the same procedure for
    the next chord.

    this is available in LE4 and I would
    > think it's in LE 1 too.


    This is available in my LE.
    >
    > Open Cubase, create a project, add tracks of the required type and of
    > course at least one will need to be a MIDI track. In the Arrange
    > window, draw in a few blank bars on the MIDI track. Double click within
    > the bars you have drawn and the Key Editor will open. From there you
    > can draw in your notes.


    See above.
    >
    > I 'think' this is what you are looking for.


    Sorry, it is not. See above

    >
    > I'm pretty certain though that you won't find guitar chord boxes or
    > score features like you would have in Cubase Score within Cubase LE


    That would be too much. I didn't expect that either.

    Many thanks though

    Gerd-Ulrich Meyer
  6. nickm Guest

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    "Gerd-Ulrich Meyer" <> wrote in message
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    > Hallo,
    >
    > nickm schrieb:
    >>
    >> "Gerd-Ulrich Meyer" <> wrote in message
    >> news:h1dvnh$v8n$02$-online.com...
    >>
    >> What you are looking for *may* not exist in Cubase LE v1, but I suspect
    >> it does. Cubase Score from Windows 3.11 days and Cubase LE are very
    >> different products. Cubase LE is the light edition and is a cut down
    >> version of the full version and is missing some features of the full
    >> version.

    >
    > That was already my suspicion, but i was not sure. So i asked here.
    >
    >> I'm not sure which 'full' version of Cubase that Cubase LE v1 is based
    >> on. I normally run the current version of Cubase (version 5), but have a
    >> copy of Cubase LE 4 that came bundled with an audio interface. Both
    >> Cubase 5 and Cubase LE4 are based on successive iterations of the
    >> original Cubase SX version which was a complete rewrite of the software.

    >
    > When someday i have enough money i want to buy me the then current version
    > of cubase. i hate having incomplete software but at the moment i have no
    > other choice.
    >>
    >> Assuming that what you want is in LE version 1 somewhere, the feature of
    >> Step Writing as I understand it simply consists of drawing in MIDI notes
    >> inside the piano-roll key editor.

    > I'm very sorry but this is _not_ what i want. The advantage of the
    > step-recording is, as you know, that i can put my notes (chords) beat by
    > beat and bar by bar with each one "hit" on the MIDI-Keyboard. I haven't to
    > draw all notes belonging to one chord and then the same procedure for the
    > next chord.
    >
    > this is available in LE4 and I would
    >> think it's in LE 1 too.

    >
    > This is available in my LE.
    >>
    >> Open Cubase, create a project, add tracks of the required type and of
    >> course at least one will need to be a MIDI track. In the Arrange
    >> window, draw in a few blank bars on the MIDI track. Double click within
    >> the bars you have drawn and the Key Editor will open. From there you can
    >> draw in your notes.

    >
    > See above.
    >>
    >> I 'think' this is what you are looking for.

    >
    > Sorry, it is not. See above
    >
    >>
    >> I'm pretty certain though that you won't find guitar chord boxes or score
    >> features like you would have in Cubase Score within Cubase LE

    >
    > That would be too much. I didn't expect that either.
    >
    > Many thanks though
    >
    > Gerd-Ulrich Meyer


    Ah. I now understand what you want :) Apologies for my earlier confusion.
    The good news is that Step Record as you have specified is present in Cubase
    LE4. The less good news is that I haven't got a clue as to whether you have
    it in LE 1. I would however assume that you have. I just checked the
    manual for SX3 and it came up with what you describe. This feature doesn't
    appear to be covered in the PDF for LE 4, but having checked LE 4 it is
    there. I don't do too much these days with the MIDI side of things except
    to maybe program some drums in or to play some keyboard parts in real time
    and then tweak as necessary afterwards - I mainly play guitar.

    You need to have a MIDI part open in the Key Editor (piano roll) window.
    Unfortunately my ISP nor this NG support uploading binaries, so I can't show
    you a screen dump of what I'm talking about, so I'll have to try and
    describe the toolbar you need to look for. You have the standard toolbars
    (select, draw, erase etc...) then somewhere near the centre of the toolbar
    area you have another toolbar which should show a 5 pin DIN plug layout as
    one of the buttons (MIDI Input) and immediately to the left of the MIDI
    Input button, there should be button that that depicts a right-angled
    triangle made up of six small black filled squares (Step Input). This
    button activates Step Input mode and the four buttons to the right of the
    MIDI input button activate Move Insert, Record Pitch, Record Note-On
    Velocity, record Note-Off Velocity.

    Hopefully your version of Cubase includes this function too.
  7. Gerd-Ulrich Meyer Guest

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    Hallo,

    nickm schrieb:

    > Ah. I now understand what you want :) Apologies for my earlier
    > confusion.

    Doesn't matter. It looks as we now get on the right track :)

    > The good news is that Step Record as you have specified is
    > present in Cubase LE4. The less good news is that I haven't got a clue
    > as to whether you have it in LE 1. I would however assume that you
    > have. I just checked the manual for SX3 and it came up with what you
    > describe. This feature doesn't appear to be covered in the PDF for LE
    > 4, but having checked LE 4 it is there. I don't do too much these days
    > with the MIDI side of things except to maybe program some drums in or to
    > play some keyboard parts in real time and then tweak as necessary
    > afterwards - I mainly play guitar.

    For me the MIDI side is still important because besides of my guitar and
    2 microphones i haven't much more instruments here.

    > You need to have a MIDI part open in the Key Editor (piano roll) window.
    > Unfortunately my ISP nor this NG support uploading binaries, so I can't
    > show you a screen dump of what I'm talking about, so I'll have to try
    > and describe the toolbar you need to look for.

    Ok, i reproduced this situationn.

    > You have the standard toolbars (select, draw, erase etc...) then somewhere near the centre of
    > the toolbar area you have another toolbar which should show a 5 pin DIN
    > plug layout as one of the buttons (MIDI Input) and immediately to the
    > left of the MIDI Input button, there should be button that that depicts
    > a right-angled triangle made up of six small black filled squares (Step
    > Input).
    > This button activates Step Input mode and the four buttons to
    > the right of the MIDI input button activate Move Insert, Record Pitch,
    > Record Note-On Velocity, record Note-Off Velocity.
    >
    > Hopefully your version of Cubase includes this function too.


    Ok, and there's the difference. It seem's as my version of LE doesn't
    include my missing feature.

    Well, so i have to find another way (maybe i will get used to "paint" my
    notes and chords).

    Anyway, many, many thanks for having a such close look to my problem
    (and thanks for the really good describtion).

    Greetings

    Gerd-Ulrich Meyer
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    >>
    >> Hopefully your version of Cubase includes this function too.

    >
    > Ok, and there's the difference. It seem's as my version of LE doesn't
    > include my missing feature.
    >
    > Well, so i have to find another way (maybe i will get used to "paint" my
    > notes and chords).
    >
    > Anyway, many, many thanks for having a such close look to my problem (and
    > thanks for the really good describtion).
    >


    That's a pity. Perhaps you could upgrade to a newer version of LE somehow.
    Cubase LE often comes bundled with various audio interfaces like the ESI ESU
    22 which Thomann have for 71 Euros. Other manufacturers like Tascam,
    Alesis and Zoom also often bundle Cubase LE.
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    nickm schreef:

    > You need to have a MIDI part open in the Key Editor (piano roll) window.
    > Unfortunately my ISP nor this NG support uploading binaries, so I can't
    > show you a screen dump of what I'm talking about, so I'll have to try
    > and describe the toolbar you need to look for. You have the standard
    > toolbars (select, draw, erase etc...) then somewhere near the centre of
    > the toolbar area you have another toolbar which should show a 5 pin DIN
    > plug layout as one of the buttons (MIDI Input) and immediately to the
    > left of the MIDI Input button, there should be button that that depicts
    > a right-angled triangle made up of six small black filled squares (Step
    > Input). This button activates Step Input mode and the four buttons to
    > the right of the MIDI input button activate Move Insert, Record Pitch,
    > Record Note-On Velocity, record Note-Off Velocity.


    I have Cubase LE 1.0.7 installed, but I'm sorry to say that it doesn't
    do Step Input. It does have Midi input (the 5-pin DIN icon) but not the
    triangle icon that Nick describes and that more expensive versions of
    Cubase do have. Neither is it in the menus, or in the manual, etc. Look
    no further.

    Jos.

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  10. Gerd-Ulrich Meyer Guest

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    Hallo,

    nickm schrieb:
    >
    > That's a pity. Perhaps you could upgrade to a newer version of LE
    > somehow. Cubase LE often comes bundled with various audio interfaces
    > like the ESI ESU 22 which Thomann have for 71 Euros. Other
    > manufacturers like Tascam, Alesis and Zoom also often bundle Cubase LE.
    >

    I'll sure upgrade but at the moment i'm a bit short of money. The
    economy-crisis (is this the right word? Remember, english is not my
    native language) has also "taken possession" of me.
    But making music and finding different ways to do this is still
    important for me.

    Many thanks again.

    Gerd-Ulrich Meyer
  11. Gerd-Ulrich Meyer Guest

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    Hallo,

    Jos Geluk schrieb:
    >
    >
    > I have Cubase LE 1.0.7 installed, but I'm sorry to say that it doesn't
    > do Step Input. It does have Midi input (the 5-pin DIN icon) but not the
    > triangle icon that Nick describes and that more expensive versions of
    > Cubase do have. Neither is it in the menus, or in the manual, etc. Look
    > no further.


    So there's the proof. Well, so it's time to search for a different
    possibility of inserting my guitar-chords in my song(s).
    >
    > Jos.
    >


    Gerd-Ulrich Meyer
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    > I'll sure upgrade but at the moment i'm a bit short of money. The
    > economy-crisis (is this the right word? Remember, english is not my native
    > language) has also "taken possession" of me.
    > But making music and finding different ways to do this is still important
    > for me.
    >

    Yeah - can identify with that :) Good luck. Hopefully you can make few
    Euros out of your musical endeavours which would fund a modest upgrade.
  13. Gerd-Ulrich Meyer Guest

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    Hallo,

    nickm schrieb:
    > Yeah - can identify with that :) Good luck. Hopefully you can make few
    > Euros out of your musical endeavours which would fund a modest upgrade.
    >


    Well expressed, but my music is just for me alone. The amount of songs i
    made during my "musical life" doesn't exceed the ten. So there's nothing
    to sell.
    The upgrade will be in sight in a few years - until then i use this
    wonderful software the best i can.

    Gerd-Ulrich Meyer
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