With everyone around, it seems, gradually slipping over to Reaper, I've found myself going the other way. I've always been a Sonar user, but I've had lots of third-party plugins in the past, from free VSTs to the BFD drums. But just the other night I was finishing off a demo track and realized that I'd made the entire thing with Sonar -- all the tracking done through my VStudio 100, all the vox using the Vocal Strip, the drums with Session Drummer 3, and the mastering with the LP64 multiband and the Boost 11. If anyone's interested, it's the first track on my MySpace page, "Turn It All Over": <http://www.myspace.com/martindholmes> For me at least, Sonar has gradually turned into a complete solution. I'm enjoying the VStudio, especially having built-in compression and EQ -- there's a rack of outboard stuff I never use any more. For the relatively uncomplicated stuff I do, I think Sonar 8.5 has reached the point of being a comprehensive toolkit. Seems pretty stable, too, on Win7 64-bit. Cheers, Martin
In news:MQMDn.84227$ the killer robot Martin Holmes <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > With everyone around, it seems, gradually slipping over to Reaper That's not really true. I'd bet more people here are using Sonar than not. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
Sounds cool Martin! As we've seen many times it isnt the tools that make the music, it's what you are comfortable with. I, for one, have always had to settle with Sonar, and it got the job done, but Reaper is just more effecient for me now. When I was relying on all outboard gear, it was great to arm the track and hit record. As I moved to softsynths, effects and processing plug ins, vst's for guitar and drums,etc... it got a bit more complicated and irritating. Reaper just has a work flow that makes more sense to me, and allows me to focus more on the music that is going into it. That being said, I'm glad to hear that Sonar and the VStudio is allowing you to make the music you want, the way you want to. Keep on rocking! P.S. Dave Hill used to be a buddy of mine, nice to see that he was an influence of yours He never really got the credit he deserved as a guitar player or writer, at least here in the states. "Martin Holmes" <> wrote in message news:MQMDn.84227$... > With everyone around, it seems, gradually slipping over to Reaper, I've > found myself going the other way. I've always been a Sonar user, but I've > had lots of third-party plugins in the past, from free VSTs to the BFD > drums. But just the other night I was finishing off a demo track and > realized that I'd made the entire thing with Sonar -- all the tracking > done through my VStudio 100, all the vox using the Vocal Strip, the drums > with Session Drummer 3, and the mastering with the LP64 multiband and the > Boost 11. If anyone's interested, it's the first track on my MySpace page, > "Turn It All Over": > > <http://www.myspace.com/martindholmes> > > For me at least, Sonar has gradually turned into a complete solution. I'm > enjoying the VStudio, especially having built-in compression and EQ -- > there's a rack of outboard stuff I never use any more. For the relatively > uncomplicated stuff I do, I think Sonar 8.5 has reached the point of being > a comprehensive toolkit. Seems pretty stable, too, on Win7 64-bit. > > Cheers, > Martin
< I'd bet more people here are using Sonar than not.> Personally, I don't like either program. -- Regards, Ted Perlman www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
Yeah, I think anyone who wanted to go from near zero to as fast as possible on a minimal investment could probably get as much bang for the buck with SONAR 8.5 Producer as anything these days, probably more unless they're going Mac, in which case the LogicPro Studio is probably at least on par if not even packing a bit more value in there with some of their extra platform-level pieces. I've got a boatload of third party software instruments and audio plug-ins, and I don't use a high percentage of the plug-ins Cakewalk plug-ins overall, though there are some that get used in every project -- Channel Tools and the LP64 Multiband particularly come to mind. But I also do find myself using the built-in plug-ins a lot more than I did in the past, and I also know it wouldn't be that difficult to do a SONAR tools-only production without feeling horribly limited, even as compared to just a few years back. Session Drummer 3 is a big improvement over past SONAR drums, and Dimension Pro covers a fair number of bases fairly well (kind of reminds me of my old Roland JV-1080 in that respect -- it may not have been the best at any one thing, but it could handle most anything decently). The Vocal Strip and Percussion Strip are also pretty good, as is Vintage Channel. On reverb, I frequently use PerfectSpace as my room reverb and Pantheon as my vocal reverb, even though I've got plenty of other choices. I gather you're still pretty happy with the VStudio 100? Rick -- ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: www.RickPaul.info MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic ======================================= "Martin Holmes" <> wrote in message news:MQMDn.84227$... > With everyone around, it seems, gradually slipping over to Reaper, I've > found myself going the other way. I've always been a Sonar user, but I've > had lots of third-party plugins in the past, from free VSTs to the BFD > drums. But just the other night I was finishing off a demo track and > realized that I'd made the entire thing with Sonar -- all the tracking > done through my VStudio 100, all the vox using the Vocal Strip, the drums > with Session Drummer 3, and the mastering with the LP64 multiband and the > Boost 11. If anyone's interested, it's the first track on my MySpace page, > "Turn It All Over": > > <http://www.myspace.com/martindholmes> > > For me at least, Sonar has gradually turned into a complete solution. I'm > enjoying the VStudio, especially having built-in compression and EQ -- > there's a rack of outboard stuff I never use any more. For the relatively > uncomplicated stuff I do, I think Sonar 8.5 has reached the point of being > a comprehensive toolkit. Seems pretty stable, too, on Win7 64-bit. > > Cheers, > Martin
Martin Holmes <> set phasers on Delicious Ranch Dressing and spewed news:MQMDn.84227$: > With everyone around, it seems, gradually slipping over to Reaper, > I've found myself going the other way. I've always been a Sonar user, > but I've had lots of third-party plugins in the past, from free VSTs > to the BFD drums. But just the other night I was finishing off a demo > track and realized that I'd made the entire thing with Sonar -- all > the tracking done through my VStudio 100, all the vox using the Vocal > Strip, the drums with Session Drummer 3, and the mastering with the > LP64 multiband and the Boost 11. If anyone's interested, it's the > first track on my MySpace page, "Turn It All Over": > > <http://www.myspace.com/martindholmes> > > For me at least, Sonar has gradually turned into a complete solution. > I'm enjoying the VStudio, especially having built-in compression and > EQ -- there's a rack of outboard stuff I never use any more. For the > relatively uncomplicated stuff I do, I think Sonar 8.5 has reached the > point of being a comprehensive toolkit. Seems pretty stable, too, on > Win7 64-bit. I'm still using SONAR 8.3 right now, but I have SONAR 8.5. I've just been working on some projects in the older version (and actually in Pro Audio 9!) and haven't made the jump yet. Was playing around with 8.5 a bit tonight but I can see there's a learning curve I'll have to deal with...I don't really like the dark background-I suppose that can be changed somewhere. I was also having difficulty with 8.5 AudioSnap extracting the tempo from an audio click track (the click was for some reason a piano sound). -- Elmer Tiberius Fudd <-- He's dim, Jed...Purveyor of SUYMF! remove STUPIDITY to reply, however, STUPIDITY was engaged when send button was pressed
On Tue, 4 May 2010 04:27:52 +0000 (UTC), Glennbo <> wrote: >In news:MQMDn.84227$ the killer robot Martin Holmes ><> grabbed the controls of the spaceship >cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >> With everyone around, it seems, gradually slipping over to Reaper > >That's not really true. I'd bet more people here are using Sonar than not. I have Sonar 5 Studio, but I rarely use it. I switched to - believe it or not - Music Creator 5! Hey, I'm not a professional, and I do not record ANY audio, and use VSTs almost exclusively. MC5 does what I want it to. If Project 5 were still supported, I'd got for it. Barry in Indy
The killer robot "Ted Perlman" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > < I'd bet more people here are using Sonar than not.> > > Personally, I don't like either program. I'm ok with both, but prefer Reaper for it's robust audio engine, and incredible routing. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
Bob Donald wrote: > P.S. Dave Hill used to be a buddy of mine, nice to see that he was an > influence of yours He never really got the credit he deserved as a > guitar player or writer, at least here in the states. He had such a monster sound. I always thought Slade were under-rated as a rock band. The Slade Alive album was amazing. I think the novelty aspect of some of their later records, and the appearance of the band, meant that they didn't really get taken seriously as musicians. I wonder what Dave Hill is doing now? Noddy Holder shows up acting in Coronation Street once in a while! Must get myself another copy of Slade Alive. Lost my copy decades ago... Cheers, Martin --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---
Rick Paul wrote: > I gather you're still pretty happy with the VStudio 100? Very happy -- it took me a little while to figure out how to tweak the comps and eqs on the individual inputs, but that's down to the limitations of having just a small LCD for a GUI. I also find I have to wind the "Sens" control up to full to get hot enough input for the DAW most of the time -- that seems counter-intuitive. But it's rock solid, and the mic pres are nice. Worth every penny, I think. Cheers, Martin --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---
"Martin Holmes" <> wrote in message news:hrpf8c$1j1h$... > He had such a monster sound. I always thought Slade were under-rated as a > rock band. The Slade Alive album was amazing. I think the novelty aspect > of some of their later records, and the appearance of the band, meant that > they didn't really get taken seriously as musicians. Alot of that was over on this side of the pond though, they had awesome success over there. > I wonder what Dave Hill is doing now? Noddy Holder shows up acting in > Coronation Street once in a while! The last time I talked to him, he moved back to the UK (a few years ago), when Slade reformed <sans Noddy and eventually Jim, I beleive, as Slade II, then back to Slade the last I heard.>. He sent me a couple of the demo's of the new stuff and it sounded good, still had the underlying slade drive. We lost contact so I dont know what they are up to now, but I'm sure they are kicking butt whatever they are doing. > Must get myself another copy of Slade Alive. Lost my copy decades ago... Me too!
On 5/4/2010 10:42 AM, Martin Holmes wrote: > Bob Donald wrote: > >> P.S. Dave Hill used to be a buddy of mine, nice to see that he was an >> influence of yours He never really got the credit he deserved as a >> guitar player or writer, at least here in the states. > > He had such a monster sound. I always thought Slade were under-rated as > a rock band. The Slade Alive album was amazing. I think the novelty > aspect of some of their later records, and the appearance of the band, > meant that they didn't really get taken seriously as musicians. > > I wonder what Dave Hill is doing now? Noddy Holder shows up acting in > Coronation Street once in a while! > > Must get myself another copy of Slade Alive. Lost my copy decades ago... > > Cheers, > Martin > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- Speaking of bands from decades ago, I always liked this band ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_(band) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDp3uhkzjMI
Hi Martin, I am on the Sonar bandwagon. I am presently evaluating Reaper running it in Vista X64. I like its look and the audio engine seems more efficient than Sonar. But, Sonar 8.5 has many midi editing features I use which seem to be absent in Reaper. Maybe it has them but I haven't had the time to find them. As time goes on I hope to learn more about all the things Reaper can do. I have a question for Reaper experts, is there a midi plug-in equivalent of Cakewalk's midi filter? I use the midi filter plug-in in the track bin and occasionally on separate midi clips for things like transposing, filtering notes and cc controls. M.F. http://www.soundclick.com/michaelfanning "Martin Holmes" <> wrote in message news:MQMDn.84227$... > With everyone around, it seems, gradually slipping over to Reaper, I've > found myself going the other way. I've always been a Sonar user, but I've > had lots of third-party plugins in the past, from free VSTs to the BFD > drums. But just the other night I was finishing off a demo track and > realized that I'd made the entire thing with Sonar -- all the tracking > done through my VStudio 100, all the vox using the Vocal Strip, the drums > with Session Drummer 3, and the mastering with the LP64 multiband and the > Boost 11. If anyone's interested, it's the first track on my MySpace page, > "Turn It All Over": > > <http://www.myspace.com/martindholmes> > > For me at least, Sonar has gradually turned into a complete solution. I'm > enjoying the VStudio, especially having built-in compression and EQ -- > there's a rack of outboard stuff I never use any more. For the relatively > uncomplicated stuff I do, I think Sonar 8.5 has reached the point of being > a comprehensive toolkit. Seems pretty stable, too, on Win7 64-bit. > > Cheers, > Martin
< but prefer Reaper for it's robust audio engine, and incredible routing> I found it very user-unfriendly. Plus it affected performance of other sound programs in my system. That's not supposed to happen. -- Regards, Ted Perlman www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
In news:hrqaq9$fc2$-september.org the killer robot "Ted Perlman" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > < but prefer Reaper for it's robust audio engine, and incredible > routing> > > I found it very user-unfriendly. It has a steep learning curve, but some of that is due to things like the insane routing possibilities it has. Bottom line is to use what gets the job done quickly without losing any quality, and that will vary from one person to another. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
<Bottom line is to use what gets the job done quickly without losing any quality, and that will vary from one person to another> Exactly! For me it's either Nuendo, Logic, or Pro Tools. For you it's Sonar and Reaper. For Joey ? it's Cakewalk 3 DOS or C Lab Notator -- Regards, Ted Perlman www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
In news:hrqnb5$nmb$-september.org the killer robot "Ted Perlman" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > <Bottom line is to use what gets the job done quickly without losing > any quality, and that will vary from one > person to another> > > Exactly! For me it's either Nuendo, Logic, or Pro Tools. For you it's > Sonar and Reaper. > > For Joey ? it's Cakewalk 3 DOS or C Lab Notator For Joey, it's this. http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tascam-DP02-Digital-Portastudio?sku=241788 He doesn't get along with computers very well, so he bought the Tascam 8-track digital portastudio, which is a computer that's disguised as an analog old school recorder. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
"Russ B" <> wrote in message news:Xns9D6DF118044E4notverybrightguy@198.186.192.200... > I'm still using SONAR 8.3 right now, but I have SONAR 8.5. I've just > been working on some projects in the older version (and actually in Pro > Audio 9!) and haven't made the jump yet. Was playing around with 8.5 a > bit tonight but I can see there's a learning curve I'll have to deal > with...I don't really like the dark background-I suppose that can be > changed somewhere. Yeah, you can just go into the preferences for the colors and load a different scheme. There seem to be less than there used to be, but there are definitely some lighter ones than the new default. I think I just ended up using the new default, though. > I was also having difficulty with 8.5 AudioSnap > extracting the tempo from an audio click track (the click was for some > reason a piano sound). AudioSnap seems to have improved a lot, but the interface is definitely different, and takes some getting used to. I'm not sure I'm used to it yet, but I don't use it that frequently, either, so it seems like I'm relearning it every time I use it (and that was true in the past, too). Rick -- ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: www.RickPaul.info MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic =======================================
The killer robot "Michael Fanning" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > I have a question for Reaper experts, is there a midi plug-in > equivalent of Cakewalk's midi filter? I use the midi filter plug-in > in the track bin and occasionally on separate midi clips for things > like transposing, filtering notes and cc controls. There's a midi plugin in the Cockos folder that can do a lot of midi manipulation. I don't know if this will do what you are after, but it's this guy. http://members.cox.net/glennbopix/ReaperMidi.jpg -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email ________ __ / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
<He doesn't get along with computers very well, so he bought the Tascam 8-track digital portastudio, which is a computer that's disguised as an analog old school recorder.> Smart man that Joey! Who here 'gets along with computers'? -- Regards, Ted Perlman www.tedperlman.com www.myspace.com/tedperlman www.facebook.com/ted.perlman
