Just saw the MS has a link for the trial version on WinXP 64 open to the public. Anyone try it out on a AMD 64 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp Cheers, Sanjay
Been running it for a couple months now. -S "Sanjay Kanhere" <> wrote in message news:YMYTb.116780$... > Just saw the MS has a link for the trial version on WinXP 64 open to the > public. Anyone try it out on a AMD 64 yet? > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp > > Cheers, > > Sanjay > >
In news:HCZTb.21322$ the killer robot "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Been running it for a couple months now. And what does Sonar do running on it? -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
Hi Scott, How stable are you finding it and is it possible to dual-boot WinXP and WinXP 64? Cheers, Sanjay "Scott Reams" <> wrote in message news:HCZTb.21322$... > Been running it for a couple months now. > > -S > > "Sanjay Kanhere" <> wrote in message > news:YMYTb.116780$... > > Just saw the MS has a link for the trial version on WinXP 64 open to the > > public. Anyone try it out on a AMD 64 yet? > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sanjay > > > > > >
Runs perfectly... but only using the motherboard Realtek audio. No MOTU drivers yet. -S "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9484DBF9EFD52BrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.93... > In news:HCZTb.21322$ the killer robot > "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > > > Been running it for a couple months now. > > And what does Sonar do running on it? > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. > _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ > / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ > / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / > \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo These go to eleven > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
It's rock-stable... and I am dual-booting with 32bit WinXP. -S "Sanjay Kanhere" <> wrote in message news:cSZTb.158319$... > Hi Scott, > > How stable are you finding it and is it possible to dual-boot WinXP and > WinXP 64? > > Cheers, > > Sanjay > > "Scott Reams" <> wrote in message > news:HCZTb.21322$... > > Been running it for a couple months now. > > > > -S > > > > "Sanjay Kanhere" <> wrote in message > > news:YMYTb.116780$... > > > Just saw the MS has a link for the trial version on WinXP 64 open to the > > > public. Anyone try it out on a AMD 64 yet? > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > >
In news:ZK_Tb.9309$ the killer robot "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > Runs perfectly... but only using the motherboard Realtek audio. No MOTU > drivers yet. Does it run *better* though, or is that impossible to tell without everything in place yet? -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
It runs the same as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect it to run any better until recompiled as a 64bit x86 app. -S "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9484E7EDF9A88BrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.93... > In news:ZK_Tb.9309$ the killer robot > "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > > > Runs perfectly... but only using the motherboard Realtek audio. No MOTU > > drivers yet. > > Does it run *better* though, or is that impossible to tell without > everything in place yet? > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. > _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ > / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ > / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / > \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo These go to eleven > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
In news:ZW_Tb.19919$ the killer robot "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > It runs the same as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect it to run any > better until recompiled as a 64bit x86 app. So until Sonar is compiled for 64 bit, there's no advantage? Would that also be true if you were using a couple rewire instruments? -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
"Scott Reams" <> wrote in message news:HCZTb.21322$... > Been running it for a couple months now. > Did you have to cut your tempos in halve???
I think there would be two potential advantages... 1) I believe 32bit apps are no longer limited to using 2GB of memory... and can instead address an entire 4GB if need be (64bit apps can obviously address a whole lot more). 2) I believe the 4GB barrier may be per-process... so Sonar could use up to 4GB, and Reason could use another 4GB (although Reason isn't a great example...as it probably won't ever use that much memory). When an app is recompiled for 64bit, there are two more advantages: 1) Memory addressing well beyond 4GB. 2) Twice as many SSE/SSE2 registers. -S "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9484EA24C6C8BBrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.93... > In news:ZW_Tb.19919$ the killer robot > "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > > > It runs the same as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect it to run any > > better until recompiled as a 64bit x86 app. > > So until Sonar is compiled for 64 bit, there's no advantage? Would that > also be true if you were using a couple rewire instruments? > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. > _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ > / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ > / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / > \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo These go to eleven > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
Yeah... 64bit tempos are certainly a lot faster. -S "Ricky W. Hunt" <> wrote in message news:Nf%Tb.218815$na.360059@attbi_s04... > "Scott Reams" <> wrote in message > news:HCZTb.21322$... > > Been running it for a couple months now. > > > > Did you have to cut your tempos in halve??? > >
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 05:00:10 GMT, Glennbo <> wrote: >In news:ZW_Tb.19919$ the killer robot >"Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship >cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >> It runs the same as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect it to run any >> better until recompiled as a 64bit x86 app. > >So until Sonar is compiled for 64 bit, there's no advantage? Would that >also be true if you were using a couple rewire instruments? Intel's vision of the world was that there would be no such thing as a 64 bit x86. They wanted everyone to move and leave the design mistakes, limitations, etc. of IA32 architecture behind. You may remember back in 87 or so, Intel ran big billboards all over Silicon Valley and down in Orange County's tech area, with a "No 286" image. Trying to get people to stop writing brain dead 286 code. AMD has messed with Intel's plans. They brought out their IA32 based 64 bit chips, and forced Intel to bring out their Extreme Edition version of the Pentium 4, 5 or 6. No matter, the point of trying to kill off IA32 is that there are huge limits that can only be broken when all the apps are recompiled for 64 bit. Perhaps you will see 10% here, or 20% there. But to get the massive improvements, you want real 64 bit code. The only problem is the usual chicken and egg, no software vendor will do the work until there are systems and customers demanding it, and no customer will demand it until there is software that takes advantage of it. Kinda like SACD and DvD-Audio. Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/prc/
In news:Ib0Ub.21380$ the killer robot "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... >> Did you have to cut your tempos in halve??? > Yeah... 64bit tempos are certainly a lot faster. So does that mean we can *finally* have a 720bpm tempo? My music requires it, even though I play a lot of whole notes. -- Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Glennbo These go to eleven Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
> AMD has messed with Intel's plans. They brought out > their IA32 based 64 bit chips, and forced Intel > to bring out their Extreme Edition version of the > Pentium 4, 5 or 6. Yes... from a pure 32bit performance perspective (regardless of 64bit capabilities), the new AMD CPUs forced Intel to release P4EEs, which are basically large-cache Xeons. This is mainly due to the performance provided by the integrated memory controller and added SSE2 support (and the resulting 32bit performance) the new AMD CPUs have. On the 64bit side... what we are seeing is that Intel is starting to show signs that they'll be adding 64bit extensions to their x86 CPUs, much in the same way AMD has. They've actually been working on this (Yamhill) for some time as a "backup plan" in case Itanium didn't take off and AMD64 did. Now they are beginning to make it known publicly. > The only problem is the usual chicken and egg, > no software vendor will do the work until there > are systems and customers demanding it, > and no customer will demand it until > there is software that takes advantage of it. And the chicken may very well be Microsoft's release of the WinXP 64bit Edition. The public preview means it isn't far off. -S
Well... with Sonar 3.1.1, it means you can have a 2000bpm tempo. -S "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9485681410E4BrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.48... > In news:Ib0Ub.21380$ the killer robot > "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > > >> Did you have to cut your tempos in halve??? > > > Yeah... 64bit tempos are certainly a lot faster. > > So does that mean we can *finally* have a 720bpm tempo? > > My music requires it, even though I play a lot of whole notes. > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. > _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ > / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ > / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / > \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo These go to eleven > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
The *huge* disadvantage is that you need Win64 drivers for all your hardware. "Glennbo" <> wrote in message news:Xns9484EA24C6C8BBrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.93... > In news:ZW_Tb.19919$ the killer robot > "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > > > It runs the same as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect it to run any > > better until recompiled as a 64bit x86 app. > > So until Sonar is compiled for 64 bit, there's no advantage? Would that > also be true if you were using a couple rewire instruments? > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. > _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ > / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ > / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / > \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo These go to eleven > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
For what it's worth: http://www.sun.com/amd/30579_AMD_Processor_Evaluation_Guide3.1.pdf Interesting results. "Sanjay Kanhere" <> wrote in message news:YMYTb.116780$... > Just saw the MS has a link for the trial version on WinXP 64 open to the > public. Anyone try it out on a AMD 64 yet? > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp > > Cheers, > > Sanjay > >
And I have them... all but the MOTU audio interface. Via has Win64 4in1s. NVidia has drivers. Promise does. Realtek does. It's Microsoft... so most companies are on it. I know the guy who writes the Windows drivers for MOTU, and he's game. -S "Kevin Perry" <> wrote in message news:bvqdf4$v3om1$-berlin.de... > The *huge* disadvantage is that you need Win64 drivers for all your hardware. > > "Glennbo" <> wrote in message > news:Xns9484EA24C6C8BBrownShoesDontMakeIt@151.164.30.93... > > In news:ZW_Tb.19919$ the killer robot > > "Scott Reams" <> grabbed the controls of the spaceship > > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > > > > > It runs the same as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect it to run any > > > better until recompiled as a 64bit x86 app. > > > > So until Sonar is compiled for 64 bit, there's no advantage? Would that > > also be true if you were using a couple rewire instruments? > > > > -- > > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to reply by email. > > _______ _____ ___ _____ ____ > > / ___/ / / __/ |/ / |/ / _ )/ __ \ > > / (_ / /__/ _// / / _ / /_/ / > > \___/____/___/_/|_/_/|_/____/\____/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Glennbo These go to eleven > > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/jambits >
> And I have them... all but the MOTU audio interface. Via has Win64 4in1s. > NVidia has drivers. Promise does. Realtek does. It's Microsoft... so most > companies are on it. I know the guy who writes the Windows drivers for MOTU, > and he's game. There are a lot of audio manufacturers beyond MotU though - we've still a nunmber of them fixing their XP/2K WDM drivers 4+ years after Win2K came out so I'm not holding my breath.
