WK 500 - AC7 file - Rhythm

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  1. sh.hazeri New Member

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    Hi There,
    I just bought a Casio Wk 500 and I need to create my own Rhythm. I need a specific Persian 6/8 Rhythm.

    I know I should had bought a model which has "Pattern Sequencer" (ie, WK7500) but I realized this too late. My mistake was when I looked at the WK 500's manual before buying and I saw "Edit Auto Accompaniment" feature, and I thought that is the feature I need but it was too late when I realized that I just can only use one of the existing parts of the existing Rhythms (Drum/Bass/etc) to edit the current one. So ie. I can not play my drum and have it recorded and then use it as a drum part in the Rhythm :(

    I would return it and get a 7500 instead if I were in US but I a have imported it from US to Canada and the shipping was very expensive. so I have to pay the shipping back too if I want to return, so this does not work for me.

    If I could make my rhythm in Midi and then convert it to AC7 format ( which is the format that this device reads as Rhythms and not the CKF) then that would be great. I have spent quite a time to find a solution for this but no luck so far.

    Does anybody knows:

    1- How to create a Midi rhythm ( with Channels 9-10-11-12-13) ? Which free software I can use ( sorry if its a dummy question but I have not used a midi software yet )
    2- How can I convert the Midi file to AC7 file? The casio convertor application does concert it to CKF and not to AC7 and ckf is not useful for this model.
    3- How can I transfer the AC7 file to the Keyboard? Can I just copy it to the SDcard and then read it to the keyboard?

    Any help is much appreciated!

    Thank you,

    Shaya
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    Hi Shaya,

    There is a chance the CKF will work - Casio usually don't advertise this fact.

    This is how I do it on my CTK-7000 (WK7500 equivalent). By the way don't feel so bad - the pattern sequencer on the 7500 isn't all that flash.....


    To create a rhythm file from a MIDI file I do the following (may not be best method, but I don't know any other way yet!):

    - use anvil studios to create the midi file. http://www.anvilstudio.com/


    - download and install the IDES from http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/emi/cms/

    - Use the IDES to conver a midi file to CKF using the "rhythm converter"

    - Use Datamanager 5 to copy over to keyboard user rhythm segment. http://support.casio.com/download.php?cid=008&pid=340&rgn=5

    Good luck!

    The Y-man
  2. Vctor New Member

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    I went to the casio site and seen some new rhythms on the Special Rhythms section in .ac7 format. Is there a way to convert them to .ckf or to smf ?
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    Which one Victor?

    I should be able to load it to my CTK7000 and convert it to a SMF....

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  4. sh.hazeri New Member

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    Thanks very much Y-man,

    Yes - the work around worked! so I went through the entire process as you mentioned and I was able to upload the own generated test midi file ( converted to CFK ) to WK500.

    The only issue is since I am a newbie I do not know how to Anvil to create the appropriate rhythm pattern. I was able to create something as drums but I do not know:
    1- how it can be sequenced ( like a pattern sequence ) when I put elements of the drums in the composer it goes for ever so I do not know how to make it repeat as a sequence.
    2- The rhythm that I created as a test went to the "Intro" part of the Auto Accompaniment so I am not sure how to handle this ( how can I specify which part I am making rhythms for it . ie : Intro/Normal/Fill in / etc )

    I took a look at the Anvil guide/help but it does not specify this things.

    Is there a pattern or template ( for Midi ) for a casio Auto accompaniment which I can use ( open it in Anvil and then modify it to mine )?

    Thank you again Y-man. Much appreciate it.

    Regards, Shaya
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    Whoooa :eek:.... I was going to convert a few and send it to you Victor, but there are so many!

    In answer to you questions, the only way I have found so far is to:

    1. Load the AC7 using Datamanager to the keyboards User Rhythm Section

    2. Use the Song Recorder (Sequencer) function on my Casio to record the intro, normal, normal fill-in, var, var fill-in, and ending using a C major chord.

    3. Save the recorded "song" as a SMF on the SD card.

    4. Bring SD card over to computer.

    I know.... bit clumsy.

    I tried the way someone suggested some time ago to just play the rhythm over MIDI while having a sequencing software on the computer in record mode, but it looks like the Rhythm notes don't get transmitted across MIDI.....

    The Y-man
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    Hi SHaya,

    I know - it took me a while to figure out.

    I created a document with screenshots, but I can't upload here (tyoo large). PM me your email adress, I will email it to you.





    Also, have a look at the user manual in IDES
    See IDES instrucitons link at http://www.casio-europe.com/euro/emi/cms/


    The Y-man
  5. Vctor New Member

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    The rhythm DOES get transmitted over MIDI. Don't know about your model, but on my WK-3800 I press on Transpose, then down arrow, right arrow, select AC/SNG ON.
    This tells the keyboard to send the Accompaniment.

    Y_Man, no problems, if you can't record all of the rhythms into MIDI, record fewer that sound better....when you have time :)
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    Thanks Victor - I think I got it. :) I left my board at the church tonight so I'll give it a shot tomorrow when I get back.

    The Y-man
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    Hi Victor,

    This forum doesn't let me attach .mid files - can you pm me your email address? I will email you.

    The Y-man
  6. Vctor New Member

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    Hey, you got message! Thanks!
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