XP vs Windows 7

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  1. moonpie Guest

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    How many here are using Windows 7 and Sonar? Any issues?

    How many here are still using XP?
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    The killer robot moonpie <> grabbed the controls of
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    > How many here are using Windows 7 and Sonar? Any issues?


    Not!

    > How many here are still using XP?


    Am! It's not broke, so I'm not fixing it!

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    On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:29:30 +0100, John Braner <>
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    >On 08/07/2010 14:16, moonpie wrote:
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    >> How many here are using Windows 7 and Sonar? Any issues?
    >>
    >> How many here are still using XP?

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    >Windows 7 x64 and SONAR 8.5.3 x64 - all works fine.



    theres a 64 bit version of Sonar?

    any flakiness at all with the audio engine? you know, hiccups, drop
    outs etc...
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  5. Steve_Karl Guest

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    "moonpie" <> wrote in message news:...

    > How many here are still using XP?


    XP and Sonar 4.0.2
    Works great ... no need for newer.
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    On 08 Jul 2010, "Steve_Karl" <> wrote in
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    > XP and Sonar 4.0.2
    > Works great ... no need for newer.


    XP and Sonar 5.2 for me. I have no great need for anything newer for
    now. I usually only upgrade the OS when I get a new computer, and I
    have at least a couple of years left for this one, I think.
  7. John Braner Guest

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    On 08/07/2010 15:48, moonpie wrote:
    > On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:29:30 +0100, John Braner<>
    > wrote:
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    >> On 08/07/2010 14:16, moonpie wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> How many here are using Windows 7 and Sonar? Any issues?
    >>>
    >>> How many here are still using XP?

    >>
    >> Windows 7 x64 and SONAR 8.5.3 x64 - all works fine.

    >
    >
    > theres a 64 bit version of Sonar?
    >
    > any flakiness at all with the audio engine? you know, hiccups, drop
    > outs etc...
    >
    >


    SONAR has been 64 bit for a while now.

    No hiccups etc. They're caused by the soundcard drivers, Windows setup etc - not the audio engine.


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    Ditto everything John said. In fact, I'd add that the Win7 x64/SONAR 8.5.3
    x64 combination feels more stable and responsive than the XP 32-bit thing
    I'd been running previously, though it's quite likely there are other
    variables involved in making that so. One caveat, though, is some plug-ins
    don't work at all with x64, some you have to use some workarounds to get
    working, and some generally work but encounter BitBridge issues at times.
    That sounds like a mouthful, but it tends to be a minority-type thing, even
    when using 32-bit plug-ins, and many of the plug-ins I use most regularly
    now have 64-bit versions.

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    > On 08/07/2010 15:48, moonpie wrote:
    >> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:29:30 +0100, John Braner<>
    >> wrote:
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    >>> On 08/07/2010 14:16, moonpie wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> How many here are using Windows 7 and Sonar? Any issues?
    >>>>
    >>>> How many here are still using XP?
    >>>
    >>> Windows 7 x64 and SONAR 8.5.3 x64 - all works fine.

    >>
    >>
    >> theres a 64 bit version of Sonar?
    >>
    >> any flakiness at all with the audio engine? you know, hiccups, drop
    >> outs etc...
    >>
    >>

    >
    > SONAR has been 64 bit for a while now.
    >
    > No hiccups etc. They're caused by the soundcard drivers, Windows setup
    > etc - not the audio engine.
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    I went 64-bit so I could use more RAM. At first I ran a dual boot
    system, XP and Windows 7 release candidate. It became apparent after
    a while I wasn't booting into XP and didn't need to. At that point I
    doubled my RAM to 8GB in preparation for Windows 7 final.
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    >> How many here are using Windows 7 and Sonar? Any issues?

    >
    > Not!
    >
    >> How many here are still using XP?

    >
    > Am! It's not broke, so I'm not fixing it!


    I'm running XP at the moment, but I'm about to experiment with w7 64bit. I
    built this bad assed core i7 to replace our system that she and I share, and
    cant get her to use the damned thing! We are house shopping and I'll be
    able to set up a proper studio in the basement, so I think I'm going to
    relegate this unused beast into a DAW. I'll still stick with Reaper on it
    though......
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    On 09/07/2010 02:14, Phoenix wrote:
    > I went 64-bit so I could use more RAM. At first I ran a dual boot
    > system, XP and Windows 7 release candidate. It became apparent after a
    > while I wasn't booting into XP and didn't need to. At that point I
    > doubled my RAM to 8GB in preparation for Windows 7 final.


    That's what I did. I can still boot into an XP partition - but since I went 64 bit in January, I've
    never used it except for one or two beta testing things...

    64 bit is the way to go for any new system, and between bitbridge and jbridge (costs ยค15) most
    plugins work fine. The only trouble you'll have is with old ones and especially old dx ones.

    I fully agree with the "if it's not broken don't fix it" schoool though - as it is *always* a PIA to
    switch anything.

    What made me take the leap was to be able to use 8GB of RAM to load Trilian, Omnisphere and a nice
    big Superior drum set - and still have plenty left over. That made it worthwhile for me.

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    The killer robot "Bob Donald" <> grabbed the controls of
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    >> Am! It's not broke, so I'm not fixing it!

    >
    > I'm running XP at the moment, but I'm about to experiment with w7
    > 64bit. I built this bad assed core i7 to replace our system that she
    > and I share, and cant get her to use the damned thing! We are house
    > shopping and I'll be able to set up a proper studio in the basement,
    > so I think I'm going to relegate this unused beast into a DAW. I'll
    > still stick with Reaper on it though......


    It's XP, i5, and Reaper for me. My last song with Poly (speaking of Poly,
    he must be hanging out at Cape Wind this week since he hasn't been posting)
    was the first real heavy work out I've given the i5 since I got it, and it
    performed above my expectations. I am running 32 bit XP, but never use
    more than a handful of softsynths, so memory isn't an issue with me.

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    On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:41:54 -0700, "Rick Paul"
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    >Ditto everything John said. In fact, I'd add that the Win7 x64/SONAR 8.5.3
    >x64 combination feels more stable and responsive than the XP 32-bit thing
    >I'd been running previously, though it's quite likely there are other
    >variables involved in making that so. One caveat, though, is some plug-ins
    >don't work at all with x64, some you have to use some workarounds to get
    >working, and some generally work but encounter BitBridge issues at times.
    >That sounds like a mouthful, but it tends to be a minority-type thing, even
    >when using 32-bit plug-ins, and many of the plug-ins I use most regularly
    >now have 64-bit versions.
    >



    good info, thanks... which plug ins dont work in 64?

    Does anybody know if ToonTrack EZDrummer works in windows 7 64?
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    > good info, thanks... which plug ins dont work in 64?


    You might try searching Google groups for my lengthy posts on this topic
    back when I was doing my upgrade. I run a huge number of plug-ins, and
    don't recall all the details. A few I can recall off the top of my head,
    though are:

    Most older Antares stuff. I could get them to install in some cases and
    couldn't in other cases, but even the ones that did install weren't working
    in some cases, and definitely not in SONAR x64. Some were crashing (32-bit)
    Sound Forge 8, too, and hanging SONAR on trying to scan. Some I could get
    to scan and work in Live Lite (also 32-bit), but others I couldn't. I ended
    up replacing AutoTune 4 with AutoTune Evo, which works in SONAR x64, though
    there is one consistent problem I've been having with rendering clip effects
    using it if those clips are past a certain point in the song. I haven't had
    a chance to nail down the specifics, such as where specifically in the song
    the magic division is between when SONAR hangs and when it doesn't or if it
    is also an issue with clip effect rendering in general (since I only use
    AutoTune as a clip effect for doing destructive editing) but it happens on
    every song for clips later in the song. Luckily, there is a workaround,
    because the rendered file is fine in the audio subdirectory, so I can just
    drag it into the project after killing SONAR and restarting and reloading
    the project. It is a pain, though.

    Proteus VX. Actually, I should qualify that it works fine with
    J-Bridge, but I never really used Proteus VX, and that is the only thing I'd
    need J-Bridge for, so I haven't justified the cost of J-Bridge for that. It
    is BitBridge it doesn't work with -- the interface comes up blank.

    Edirol Orchestral. Couldn't even get that one to install on Win 7 x64.
    I pretty much never used it anyway as their software protection was a royal
    pain in the butt (you had to put in the CD every two weeks, independent of
    how frequently you'd used the product).

    I expected no 32-bit DirectX or DXi plug-ins would work with SONAR x64, but
    a free DirectX to VST wrapper (I forget the name at the moment) actually
    made most of the ones I use work, including the entire DSP-FX suite, Waves
    RennMax (from memory, I think I'm using V4 -- I couldn't get the VST
    versions to work on SONAR x64, though), DreamStation DXi, Tassman 3, iZotope
    Trash, and probably a few others. I also got iZotope Ozone 3 to work that
    way, but it has some parameter setting issues that limit its usefulness.
    Some of the Sony Sound Forge plug-ins also had similar issues, but I never
    really used those plug-ins for the most part, and many of those had issues
    in 32-bit SONAR anyway.

    > Does anybody know if ToonTrack EZDrummer works in windows 7 64?


    Yes, it works fine as long as you get the x64 public beta, which has been
    available in Toontrack's download area for EZD since late last year or early
    this year. I understand the 32-bit version also works with J-Bridge, but
    with BitBridge it wouldn't load the actual kits.

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    On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:10:29 -0400, moonpie <>
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    > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:41:54 -0700, "Rick Paul"
    > <> wrote:



    > >Ditto everything John said. In fact, I'd add that the Win7

    x64/SONAR 8.5.3
    > >x64 combination feels more stable and responsive than the XP

    32-bit thing
    > >I'd been running previously, though it's quite likely there are

    other
    > >variables involved in making that so. One caveat, though, is some

    plug-ins
    > >don't work at all with x64, some you have to use some workarounds

    to get
    > >working, and some generally work but encounter BitBridge issues at

    times.
    > >That sounds like a mouthful, but it tends to be a minority-type

    thing, even
    > >when using 32-bit plug-ins, and many of the plug-ins I use most

    regularly
    > >now have 64-bit versions.
    > >





    > good info, thanks... which plug ins dont work in 64?



    > Does anybody know if ToonTrack EZDrummer works in windows 7 64?


    I don't have EZD but a lot of people were talking about it on the CW
    forums; I'm pretty sure I remember reading they had an update.
    Also if both BitBridge and jBridge don't solve a problem, you can
    have both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Sonar installed on the same
    machine.
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    > It's XP, i5, and Reaper for me. My last song with Poly (speaking of Poly,
    > he must be hanging out at Cape Wind this week since he hasn't been
    > posting)
    > was the first real heavy work out I've given the i5 since I got it, and it
    > performed above my expectations. I am running 32 bit XP, but never use
    > more than a handful of softsynths, so memory isn't an issue with me.


    I dont expect that memory will be an issue for me as well, since I'll
    probably not get anywhere near your requirements for the DAW. I just really
    hate to see all this machinery <not to mention the money I dumped into it!>
    go to waste. My old DAW <core 2 duo e7300, 4 gigs, xp, etc...> is probably
    more than I'll need in itself, but what the heck.
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    moonpie wrote:

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    > How many here are using Windows 7 and Sonar? Any issues?
    >
    > How many here are still using XP?


    Using XP Home Edition, SONAR 7 Studio Edition. All seems okay.

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    Bob Donald wrote:

    > I'll still stick with Reaper on it though......


    You Philistine! ;-)

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    Rick Paul wrote:

    > Proteus VX. Actually, I should qualify that it works fine with
    > J-Bridge, but I never really used Proteus VX, and that is the only
    > thing I'd need J-Bridge for, so I haven't justified the cost of
    > J-Bridge for that. It is BitBridge it doesn't work with -- the
    > interface comes up blank.


    Does this mean I can't use Proteus VX as a plug-in soft synth with my
    SONAR 7 Studio Edition, XP Home Edition system? I don't know my bridge
    situation.

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    On 10/07/2010 10:16, Benjamin Goldman wrote:
    > Rick Paul wrote:
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    >> Proteus VX. Actually, I should qualify that it works fine with
    >> J-Bridge, but I never really used Proteus VX, and that is the only
    >> thing I'd need J-Bridge for, so I haven't justified the cost of
    >> J-Bridge for that. It is BitBridge it doesn't work with -- the
    >> interface comes up blank.

    >
    > Does this mean I can't use Proteus VX as a plug-in soft synth with my
    > SONAR 7 Studio Edition, XP Home Edition system? I don't know my bridge
    > situation.
    >


    You don't have a bridge situation unles you're running the 64 bit version.

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