Brass?

Discussion in 'alt.steinberg.cubase' started by lancelightning, Aug 29, 2010.

  1. Anyone here know of a good Vsti or similar which I can use to create a
    half-decent brass section suitable for old school pop-rock?

    I've got loads of old soundfonts and there's some stuff in HalionOne,
    but nothing really hits the spot. I used to be able to do it years ago
    with an old Akai sampler. It was very time consuming but it sounded
    great. Sadly the Akai is long gone.

    I'd like to avoid having to load up an enormous library of samples as
    this something I'd only use ocassionally - most of my songs being
    guitar orientated.

    Any help would be appreciated.....LL
     
    lancelightning, Aug 29, 2010
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  2. On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:56:29 +0100, lancelightning <> wrote:

    >Anyone here know of a good Vsti or similar which I can use to create a
    >half-decent brass section suitable for old school pop-rock?


    I think very highly of the Edirol Orchestral
     
    Max Doorrijhoogte, Aug 29, 2010
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  3. lancelightning

    Danny T Guest

    On Aug 29, 1:56 pm, lancelightning <> wrote:
    > Anyone here know of a good Vsti or similar which I can use to create a
    > half-decent brass section suitable for old school pop-rock?
    >
    > I've got loads of old soundfonts and there's some stuff in HalionOne,
    > but nothing really hits the spot. I used to be able to do it years ago
    > with an old Akai sampler. It was very time consuming but it sounded
    > great. Sadly the Akai is long gone.
    >
    > I'd like to avoid having to load up an enormous library of samples as
    > this something I'd only use ocassionally - most of my songs being
    > guitar orientated.
    >
    > Any help would be appreciated.....LL


    I believe that the sound of the instrument is less important then the
    way it is plays. first of all, try playing each part on its own track
    and think horn. For instance, when playing sax, of you're trying to
    get a punch high note, it might help to put in a quick little grace
    not idea at the octave lower. If you have ever played sax and tried to
    punch the high note, you'll notice that you squeak in the lower octave
    note. .... Anyway, if you think like that, even the cheapest of sounds
    will do nicely, especially for old school music styles.
     
    Danny T, Aug 29, 2010
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  4. On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:13:12 -0700 (PDT), Danny T
    <> wrote:

    >On Aug 29, 1:56 pm, lancelightning <> wrote:
    >> Anyone here know of a good Vsti or similar which I can use to create a
    >> half-decent brass section suitable for old school pop-rock?
    >>
    >> I've got loads of old soundfonts and there's some stuff in HalionOne,
    >> but nothing really hits the spot. I used to be able to do it years ago
    >> with an old Akai sampler. It was very time consuming but it sounded
    >> great. Sadly the Akai is long gone.
    >>
    >> I'd like to avoid having to load up an enormous library of samples as
    >> this something I'd only use ocassionally - most of my songs being
    >> guitar orientated.
    >>
    >> Any help would be appreciated.....LL

    >
    >I believe that the sound of the instrument is less important then the
    >way it is plays. first of all, try playing each part on its own track
    >and think horn. For instance, when playing sax, of you're trying to
    >get a punch high note, it might help to put in a quick little grace
    >not idea at the octave lower. If you have ever played sax and tried to
    >punch the high note, you'll notice that you squeak in the lower octave
    >note. .... Anyway, if you think like that, even the cheapest of sounds
    >will do nicely, especially for old school music styles.


    Food for thought. I have never played sax though I have worked live
    with a brass section. But I hear what your'e saying and I'll
    experiment. Thanks for the input....LL
     
    lancelightning, Aug 29, 2010
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  5. On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:22:25 +0200, Max Doorrijhoogte
    <> wrote:

    >On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:56:29 +0100, lancelightning <> wrote:
    >
    >>Anyone here know of a good Vsti or similar which I can use to create a
    >>half-decent brass section suitable for old school pop-rock?

    >
    >I think very highly of the Edirol Orchestral


    Thanks...I'll check it out...LL
     
    lancelightning, Aug 29, 2010
    #5
  6. lancelightning

    Paulo Gomes Guest

    >
    > Food for thought. I have never played sax though I have worked live
    > with a brass section. But I hear what your'e saying and I'll
    > experiment. Thanks for the input....LL


    Read the manual for the instrument you're gonna use because some things are
    not evident. Some midi messages will send dynamics control to the instrument
    and it might do all the difference.
    As for good VST instruments, the best I know is NI Kontakt. Another good one
    is Garry Garritan Jazz and Big Band.

    Paulo
     
    Paulo Gomes, Aug 30, 2010
    #6
  7. On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:47:32 +0100, "Paulo Gomes"
    <> wrote:

    >>
    >> Food for thought. I have never played sax though I have worked live
    >> with a brass section. But I hear what your'e saying and I'll
    >> experiment. Thanks for the input....LL

    >
    >Read the manual for the instrument you're gonna use because some things are
    >not evident. Some midi messages will send dynamics control to the instrument
    >and it might do all the difference.
    >As for good VST instruments, the best I know is NI Kontakt. Another good one
    >is Garry Garritan Jazz and Big Band.
    >
    >Paulo
    >

    I have thought about investing in Kontakt. The trouble is that some of
    the sample libraries can be enormous.

    I will look into the other one though.

    Thanks Paulo.....LL
     
    lancelightning, Aug 30, 2010
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  8. lancelightning

    Phil W Guest

    "lancelightning" <> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:...
    > Paulo Gomes wrote:


    >>> Food for thought. I have never played sax though I have worked live
    >>> with a brass section. But I hear what your'e saying and I'll
    >>> experiment. Thanks for the input....LL

    >>
    >>Read the manual for the instrument you're gonna use because some things
    >>are
    >>not evident. Some midi messages will send dynamics control to the
    >>instrument
    >>and it might do all the difference.


    If I understand it correctly, this is also covered by "expression maps",
    which are a new feature since Cubase 5. But to make use of that, the
    instrument must support this, of course. ;-)

    >>As for good VST instruments, the best I know is NI Kontakt. Another good
    >>one is Garry Garritan Jazz and Big Band.


    > I have thought about investing in Kontakt. The trouble is that some of
    > the sample libraries can be enormous.
    >
    > I will look into the other one though.


    NI has the free "Kontakt Player" (a kind of "demo" for the "big" Kontakt),
    which you might want to try for a start. There´s also free content available
    for that, but I don´t know, if there are brass sounds included. Anyway, it´s
    worth a try - also to see, if you get along with the controls in Kontakt.
    http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-player/


    Good luck on your quest,

    Phil
     
    Phil W, Aug 30, 2010
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  9. lancelightning

    Jos Geluk Guest

    Op 30-8-2010 17:47, Paulo Gomes schreef:
    >>
    >> Food for thought. I have never played sax though I have worked live
    >> with a brass section. But I hear what your'e saying and I'll
    >> experiment. Thanks for the input....LL

    >
    > Read the manual for the instrument you're gonna use because some things are
    > not evident. Some midi messages will send dynamics control to the instrument
    > and it might do all the difference.
    > As for good VST instruments, the best I know is NI Kontakt. Another good one
    > is Garry Garritan Jazz and Big Band.


    I find it very hard work to make sampled brass sound credible, to the
    extent that I have turned down assignments because I felt I wouldn't be
    able to come close enough to the real thing. Having said that, I second
    the Garritan. As Paulo said, look for ways to tweak the sound in real
    time. That may help. The Garritan is very good in that respect. E.g. a
    saxophone is rarely played in tune; adding some stray pitch bends here
    and there may just be what you need. With the Garritan, you can do that
    with all kinds of filters, noises, flutters and vibrations. However, not
    all of the Garritan instruments sound good.

    Jos.

    --
    Ardis Park Music
    www.ardispark.nl
     
    Jos Geluk, Aug 31, 2010
    #9

  10. >
    >NI has the free "Kontakt Player" (a kind of "demo" for the "big" Kontakt),
    >which you might want to try for a start. There´s also free content available
    >for that, but I don´t know, if there are brass sounds included. Anyway, it´s
    >worth a try - also to see, if you get along with the controls in Kontakt.
    >http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-player/
    >
    >
    >Good luck on your quest,
    >
    >Phil


    Thanks guys for the various replies. I'll have a good look at what's
    been suggested and I'll let the group know what I decide to go with.


    LL
     
    lancelightning, Aug 31, 2010
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  11. lancelightning

    Paulo Gomes Guest

    Oh I forgot one plugin that I was told is very good too, it's the Arturia
    Brass.
    Good luck

    "lancelightning" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    >>
    >>NI has the free "Kontakt Player" (a kind of "demo" for the "big" Kontakt),
    >>which you might want to try for a start. There´s also free content
    >>available
    >>for that, but I don´t know, if there are brass sounds included. Anyway,
    >>it´s
    >>worth a try - also to see, if you get along with the controls in Kontakt.
    >>http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-player/
    >>
    >>
    >>Good luck on your quest,
    >>
    >>Phil

    >
    > Thanks guys for the various replies. I'll have a good look at what's
    > been suggested and I'll let the group know what I decide to go with.
    >
    >
    > LL
     
    Paulo Gomes, Aug 31, 2010
    #11
  12. Aaah..I reckon that a friend of mine has got that one. I'll have to
    have a look at his setup. Thanks Paulo



    On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:13:08 +0100, "Paulo Gomes"
    <> wrote:

    >Oh I forgot one plugin that I was told is very good too, it's the Arturia
    >Brass.
    >Good luck
    >
    >"lancelightning" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>
    >>>
    >>>NI has the free "Kontakt Player" (a kind of "demo" for the "big" Kontakt),
    >>>which you might want to try for a start. There´s also free content
    >>>available
    >>>for that, but I don´t know, if there are brass sounds included. Anyway,
    >>>it´s
    >>>worth a try - also to see, if you get along with the controls in Kontakt.
    >>>http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-player/
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Good luck on your quest,
    >>>
    >>>Phil

    >>
    >> Thanks guys for the various replies. I'll have a good look at what's
    >> been suggested and I'll let the group know what I decide to go with.
    >>
    >>
    >> LL

    >
     
    lancelightning, Aug 31, 2010
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  13. lancelightning

    XODDI Guest

    On Aug 29, 4:33 pm, lancelightning <> wrote:
    > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:13:12 -0700 (PDT), Danny T
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > >On Aug 29, 1:56 pm, lancelightning <> wrote:
    > >> Anyone here know of a good Vsti or similar which I can use to create a
    > >> half-decent brass section suitable for old school pop-rock?

    >
    > >> I've got loads of old soundfonts and there's some stuff in HalionOne,
    > >> but nothing really hits the spot. I used to be able to do it years ago
    > >> with an old Akai sampler. It was very time consuming but it sounded
    > >> great. Sadly the Akai is long gone.

    >
    > >> I'd like to avoid having to load up an enormous library of samples as
    > >> this something I'd only use ocassionally - most of my songs being
    > >> guitar orientated.

    >
    > >> Any help would be appreciated.....LL

    >
    > >I believe that the sound of the instrument is less important then the
    > >way it is plays. first of all, try playing each part on its own track
    > >and think horn. For instance, when playing sax, of you're trying to
    > >get a punch high note, it might help to put in a quick little grace
    > >not idea at the octave lower. If you have ever played sax and tried to
    > >punch the high note, you'll notice that you squeak in the lower octave
    > >note. .... Anyway, if you think like that, even the cheapest of sounds
    > >will do nicely, especially for old school music styles.

    >
    > Food for thought. I have never played sax though I have worked live
    > with a brass section. But I hear what your'e saying and I'll
    > experiment. Thanks for the input....LL- Hide quoted text -


    Also, program in some brass-like articulation with better envelopes
    than are usually stock on store-bought brass patches. Subtle
    modulation.
     
    XODDI, Sep 1, 2010
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  14. lancelightning

    Paulo Gomes Guest

    So?

    "lancelightning" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Anyone here know of a good Vsti or similar which I can use to create a
    > half-decent brass section suitable for old school pop-rock?
    >
    > I've got loads of old soundfonts and there's some stuff in HalionOne,
    > but nothing really hits the spot. I used to be able to do it years ago
    > with an old Akai sampler. It was very time consuming but it sounded
    > great. Sadly the Akai is long gone.
    >
    > I'd like to avoid having to load up an enormous library of samples as
    > this something I'd only use ocassionally - most of my songs being
    > guitar orientated.
    >
    > Any help would be appreciated.....LL
     
    Paulo Gomes, Oct 18, 2010
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  15. On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:40:08 +0100, "Paulo Gomes"
    <> wrote:

    >So?
    >
    >"lancelightning" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> Anyone here know of a good Vsti or similar which I can use to create a
    >> half-decent brass section suitable for old school pop-rock?
    >>
    >> I've got loads of old soundfonts and there's some stuff in HalionOne,
    >> but nothing really hits the spot. I used to be able to do it years ago
    >> with an old Akai sampler. It was very time consuming but it sounded
    >> great. Sadly the Akai is long gone.
    >>
    >> I'd like to avoid having to load up an enormous library of samples as
    >> this something I'd only use ocassionally - most of my songs being
    >> guitar orientated.
    >>
    >> Any help would be appreciated.....LL

    >


    I'll probably make do with my soundfonts and HalionOne for now. I've
    yet to complete the song in question.

    There's been some good suggestions but I don't want to spend a lot on
    something that I'll only use occassionally.

    I'll let you know when my song is done and see what you think

    LL
     
    lancelightning, Oct 18, 2010
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  16. lancelightning

    Jos Geluk Guest

    Op 18-10-2010 23:05, lancelightning schreef:

    > I'll probably make do with my soundfonts and HalionOne for now. I've
    > yet to complete the song in question.
    >
    > There's been some good suggestions but I don't want to spend a lot on
    > something that I'll only use occassionally.
    >
    > I'll let you know when my song is done and see what you think


    I could provide Garritan brass sounds to your song, if you're interested.

    Jos.

    --
    Ardis Park Music
    www.ardispark.nl
     
    Jos Geluk, Oct 19, 2010
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  17. On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:28:56 +0200, Jos Geluk <>
    wrote:

    >Op 18-10-2010 23:05, lancelightning schreef:
    >
    >> I'll probably make do with my soundfonts and HalionOne for now. I've
    >> yet to complete the song in question.
    >>
    >> There's been some good suggestions but I don't want to spend a lot on
    >> something that I'll only use occassionally.
    >>
    >> I'll let you know when my song is done and see what you think

    >
    >I could provide Garritan brass sounds to your song, if you're interested.
    >
    >Jos.


    Wow..nice idea Jos. I'll get back to you when I've got the song into
    some sort of shape. I'm rather busy with other things at the
    minute..but I'm hoping to do some recording next week....LL
     
    lancelightning, Oct 21, 2010
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