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Hi.
I perform small gigs (50 people say). No charge $/€. I'm new to it. I play keyboard. Just 3 of us. 1× singer + 1 acoustic guitar/ singer + me. It's fun - dunno if it's the same for the audience. Anyhow it's early days. We are not trying to replicate songs exactly but when possible, add a little of the sound of the original.
I use a psr E425 yamaha. Very basic but my job is just to fill out the sound.
The E425 keyboard has lots of useful voices/instruments. BUT, I'd love if I could have the keyboard change Instrument automatically during performance. eg. If anyone knows the song Baker St (Gerry Rafferty); The song starts with a sort of Clarinet sound, then maybe a bit of Sax then for the verse I'd probably use some Piano. BUT there just wouldn't be time for me to start scrolling or hitting tiny buttons to seamlessly switch from Clarinet to Sax to Piano and then back to say Sax at the end.
I read a bit on things like Ableton, Camelot, Mainstage and wonder is that what I need?
Do I run those live with a Mac or ipad?
Is the trigger for the Auto change of instrument based on what Bar of the song you are at?
Thank you in advance for any tips/pointers. I am open to upgrading my very basic set-up.
 
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Welcome.

MacBook with Mainstage.

That said, consider upgrading your keyboard.

The e series are really cheap beginner keyboards with sounds and an OS to match.
 
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Thank you Biggles. So much 'clutter' on Internet its often hard to see the 'wood for the trees'. As regards Keyboard any ideas on type/ brand. Just to step up a bit from my 76 note E425. K
 
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Following up from above; Would a Psr sx 720 or a Roland Juno D6 be a suitable upgrade from my psr E425?
 
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It is a case of ifs and buts, which depend upon how you use your e series which is a basic arranger.

Do you use the Style play modes during your performances?

If you do then a more upmarket Arranger will provide more of what you seek.

One of the issue you will be faced with is having a seamless sound transition as you change instruments as not many keyboards support this action.

The Juno does allow this in a limited format, that is you can switch from one Instrument Combination to another without a break but the caveat being it is dependent upon instruments used and any FX that may be applied. Others with more experience that I of a Juno should be able to explain more.

BTW, I would not have the change happen automatically, keeping manual control would IMO be a better option.
 
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there just wouldn't be time for me to start scrolling or hitting tiny buttons to seamlessly switch from Clarinet to Sax to Piano and then back to say Sax at the end.
I read a bit on things like Ableton, Camelot, Mainstage and wonder is that what I need?
Do I run those live with a Mac or ipad?
If your goal is to be able to quickly change which PSR-EW425 sounds you're playing, no, there is no app that can do that, because the PSR-EW425 does not support being able to use MIDI to change the sounds you're playing from its keyboard. The only way you could use a Mac or iPad to address this would be to use the device to play sounds located in your Mac or iPad (as opposed to sounds built into the keyboard). And then you'd have to use the Mac or iPad itself or some kind of additional MIDI control surface or pedal to control changing the sounds.

MacBook with Mainstage.

That said, consider upgrading your keyboard.
I'd be in the "upgrading your keyboard" camp here.

Mainstage does have the virtue of being both a control environment AND a source of high quality sounds, but at least by itself, is not an easy solution to the problem here, which is a need to change sounds quickly. Instantly changing sounds directly on your Mac during performance--having to somehow place it conveniently and then use its keyboard/mouse/trackpad--would not be a great solution for split second sound changes (and the PSR-EW425 itself is not set up with things like patch select buttons that can easily call up external sounds). So you'd still need to add something (e.g. that additional MIDI control surface or pedal ).

The iPad would be a better operational platform here than the Macbook, because you could place it on the PSR's music rest, and tap the screen to get to the sound you need. Unfortunately, Mainstage does not run on iPad... but there is a "Logic Remote" app that lets you control Mainstage from an iPad. I've never done this and can't speak to how well it works for the instantaneous patch selection goal. But if the OP already owns both the Mac and the iPad, this is something that could be experimented with at minimal cost. Another option could be to go with a completely iPad based system. A self-contained environment like Korg Module might be sufficient; or you could use whatever combination of apps gives you the sounds you want, and access them all through an app like Camelot Pro or Keystage.

But with any of this, I feel like we may be getting into somewhat complicated and/or cumbersome solutions to address a very simple shortcoming. Unless there is some desire for some of the other capabilities these platforms offer, I think these approaches might be overkill for the task at hand, in terms of complexity and time investment, unless OP already has some familiarity with doing these kinds of things. I think the easiest solution is to switch to a keyboard that lets you change sounds quickly, which is why I'm in the "upgrading your keyboard" camp.

It is a case of ifs and buts, which depend upon how you use your e series which is a basic arranger.

Do you use the Style play modes during your performances?

If you do then a more upmarket Arranger will provide more of what you seek.
Yes, all of the above is based on basic "live" keyboard functions. If he's actually making use of arranger functions, that further complicates the software approach (e.g. Mainstage does not include arranger functions). There's either additional software needed, or you'd have to also consider how to integrate the keyboard's arranger functions with the external sound selection. This is nothing I have experience with.

One of the issue you will be faced with is having a seamless sound transition as you change instruments as not many keyboards support this action.

The Juno does allow this in a limited format, that is you can switch from one Instrument Combination to another without a break but the caveat being it is dependent upon instruments used and any FX that may be applied. Others with more experience that I of a Juno should be able to explain more.
You're talking about the Juno DS, which is discontinued. OP asked about the Juno D6, the replacement for the DS61. The new model is improved in this respect. e.g. see https://support.roland.com/hc/en-us...-switching-scenes-cause-a-brief-sound-dropout

Following up from above; Would a Psr sx 720 or a Roland Juno D6 be a suitable upgrade from my psr E425?
This also gets to the question of whether you use the arranger (auto-accompaniment) functions of your E425. The PSR SX-720 is a higher end arranger than your E425; the Juno D has advantages of its own but is not an arranger. Though in either case, you'd be moving down from 76 to 61 keys, which you may or may not find important. (The Juno D is also available with 76 keys, that's the Juno D7.)

As for addressing the specific question of being able to quickly switch from sound to sound, the Juno D does have definable quick sound change buttons... 8 banks of 16 buttons. So you can put your clarinet, sax, and piano sounds in a bank, and instantly, seamlessly change from any sound to any other just by tapping one of those definable buttons located right above the keys. These buttons actually call up "Scenes" which can be individual sounds, or split/layered combinations of sounds. And if you do expand to adding external sounds from a Mac or iPad, these scenes can include external sounds as well.

I don't follow arrangers as much, and don't know how the SX-720 compares in this respect.
 
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Thank you both (@anotherscott & Biggles). I appreciate the time you spent and the information you provided.
In view of the fact that I have to factor in our guitarist I think you're right that for the moment, that I avoid auto changes. One can easily miss a Bar or timing or something; so I do need to be able to 'Adjust' & recover in that event.
I've avoided using styles for my performances. I need to upskill the other 2 lads - they are not used to playing with a drummer or bass. ( just a matter of practice really, ).....but the addition of a Bass/drums even from an arranger would be a great move forward for us. I'll push the boat out next practice 'n see if I can coax them in the right direction.
So after all my thinking; I tested out a Yam psr SX 720 today.
It is an improvement on what I got. Pity its only 61 notes but I'll adjust to it. Firstly see how my Coaxing goes before I consider my purchasing.
Thank you both again and every success in the future.
Kev.
 
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Gig Performer, far more versatile than Mainstage and works with Mac or Windows. What you want is exaclty what it does although you would need to provide some VST instruments.
 
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Gig Performer is great, but as I said (similar to Mainstage), it will not directly address your issue, as it will not allow you to quickly switch sounds on your PSR-EW425. You'd have to switch to using all VST/AU sounds. You'd also still need to address how you're going to do your quick sound changes, since the PSR-EW425 provides no way to send quick sound changes to your PC or Mac. If you wanted to go with GP, my suggestion would be to run it on something like a Surface Pro tablet, which you could place on the PSR's music stand.

Roland's VR-09 is okay, but Juno D would probably suit you better. There are some things that are better on the VR (most notably the much better Hammond organ emulation), but the Juno D is more versatile overall, and is better at the quick sound changing we've been talking about.

If you want additional boards to look at in the non-arranger category, besides the Juno D, since you like Yamaha, the CK61/88 and MODX+6/7/8 would be contenders. Roland also has their step up from the Juno D which would be the Fantom-0. I think these are all roughly within the price range you are considering.
 
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Thank you @anotherscott . Food for thought. We dont have a drummer or bass.. Possibly the easiest thing would be an Arranger kb. I will mull things over. K.

With a quality Arranger you have or should have the ability to mute the accompaniment element of style play except for Drums and even keep the Bass.
 
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Gig Performer is great, but as I said (similar to Mainstage), it will not directly address your issue, as it will not allow you to quickly switch sounds on your PSR-EW425. You'd have to switch to using all VST/AU sounds.
First, Gig Performer is similar to Mainstage just in terms they are considered to be live VST hosts. And that's where all the difference ends.

One of the main differences is Gig Performer's Wiring view, that allows you to easily connect and route anything-to-anything.


Second, Gig Performer can control external gear. You don't have to be 100% VSTs. A number of Gig Performer users use hybrid setups. You can switch sounds on external gear manually or use automation (using backing tracks, song part changes, etc.).
 
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First, Gig Performer is similar to Mainstage just in terms they are considered to be live VST hosts.
I said they were similar in their inability to address what the OP was looking for (a way to quickly switch sounds on the PSR-EW425). Of course there are numerous similarities and differences between them in other respects.

Second, Gig Performer can control external gear. You don't have to be 100% VSTs. A number of Gig Performer users use hybrid setups.
You can do that with Mainstage as well.
 

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