Looking for a keyboard for social events (needs mic inputs)
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Yes, that's one possibility; and yes both mics would need to be the same as there's no way to balance them using a Y cable. You should also be aware this does *not* work properly if you use your keyboard's VH
Also, I think you can't use the TRS Y cable (the 1/4" mic jacks used to allow both TRS and TS inputs, but the newest ones ie the last decade, *must* be TS going into the mic input). Which means your Y cable has to be a special double XLR to 1/4" Y-merge cable, instead of the more common XLR + XLR to 1/4" TRS.
Also, I think you can't use the TRS Y cable (the 1/4" mic jacks used to allow both TRS and TS inputs, but the newest ones ie the last decade, *must* be TS going into the mic input). Which means your Y cable has to be a special double XLR to 1/4" Y-merge cable, instead of the more common XLR + XLR to 1/4" TRS.
Пфф... Снова никаких проблем с VH на PSR 740. И я, и моя певица им пользовались!
И... не было необходимости использовать TRS или XLR, поскольку длина кабелей составляла 2 м. У обоих микрофонов был разъём TS.
А небольшой Y-кабель (около 20 см) был с двумя TS-входами и одним TS-выходом!
Вы можете заметить, что мы использовали разные микрофоны, но сопротивление у них было одинаковое.
И... не было необходимости использовать TRS или XLR, поскольку длина кабелей составляла 2 м. У обоих микрофонов был разъём TS.
А небольшой Y-кабель (около 20 см) был с двумя TS-входами и одним TS-выходом!
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1/4" to 1/4"? All mics use XLR output, even if to a 1/4" cable...? Yes there are some where the mic is 'fused' but all "brand name" dynamic mics (Shure, Audix, Sennheiser. etc) use XLR (or USB) as the output from the mic itself.
Anyway, as for no problems with VH, you never both use it at the same time (actually, the male vocal is so quiet it's almost invisible). But the point stands: you *cannot* use TRS with newer keyboards, but the older ones could. PSR740 is from 1999, not even this millenium (but if you're curious, this changed happened sometime around 2010; hard to pinpoint when, because for a *while* I could plug XLR to TRS into *some* copies of the same model, e.g. 2 different PSRs910's, one would work, one needed XLR to TS to work.)
Anyway, as for no problems with VH, you never both use it at the same time (actually, the male vocal is so quiet it's almost invisible). But the point stands: you *cannot* use TRS with newer keyboards, but the older ones could. PSR740 is from 1999, not even this millenium (but if you're curious, this changed happened sometime around 2010; hard to pinpoint when, because for a *while* I could plug XLR to TRS into *some* copies of the same model, e.g. 2 different PSRs910's, one would work, one needed XLR to TS to work.)
We have the same again with the Op, they came, they posted & zilch.
Back to topic, how about using the Aux Input?
Feed the second Mike into a small mixer and feed output into the Aux Input, adjusting the Gain to achieve line level of supply?
Back to topic, how about using the Aux Input?
Feed the second Mike into a small mixer and feed output into the Aux Input, adjusting the Gain to achieve line level of supply?
In theory that works, but as I'd mentioned, the old keyboards used a pair of 1/4" inputs, but the current ones use the minipin aux jack... very prone to crackling and snapping of the pin. But yes, it can be done.
It just sucks that they've cheaped out on the i/o connections over the years.
1. "Anyway, as for no problems with VH, you never both use it at the same time (actually, the male vocal is so quiet it's almost invisible)" - My vocal is rather strong to use VH simultaneously with my singer-girl! 
2. "PSR740 is from 1999, not even this millenium" - And I have no interest to pay for any modern PSRs - there is nothing interesting in them. If I want the modern voices - I use GigLad software https://deltarray.com on my Windows pocket. And to accompany my friend's Karaoke singing PSR 740 is quite good in now century!
2. "PSR740 is from 1999, not even this millenium" - And I have no interest to pay for any modern PSRs - there is nothing interesting in them. If I want the modern voices - I use GigLad software https://deltarray.com on my Windows pocket. And to accompany my friend's Karaoke singing PSR 740 is quite good in now century!
1. As I said earlier, you're asking for trouble running 2 mics split into a single jack with VH.1. "Anyway, as for no problems with VH, you never both use it at the same time (actually, the male vocal is so quiet it's almost invisible)" - My vocal is rather strong to use VH simultaneously with my singer-girl!
2. "PSR740 is from 1999, not even this millenium" - And I have no interest to pay for any modern PSRs - there is nothing interesting in them. If I want the modern voices - I use GigLad software https://deltarray.com on my Windows pocket. And to accompany my friend's Karaoke singing PSR 740 is quite good in now century!
*That* is the trouble I was talking about; one vocal overwhelms the VH
You literally made my point for me after saying "no issues using VH"
2. Doesn't really help the op (or anyone) currently looking for a 2 mic keyboard to look for a nearly 30 year old board; but my point was to note that current arrangers don't allow TRS input on the mic anymore, so just a heads up to anyone having mic troubles
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As I said earlier, you're asking for trouble running 2 mics split into a single jack with VH.
*That* is the trouble I was talking about; one vocal overwhelms the VH
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Really? Seems you never used 2 mics with the same VH! Here is the very old record (using analog camera) — VH is singing with us every "Hafanana" and all choruses! One VH for both of us simultaneously! Both mics are connected to the same port of PSR using Y-cable!
My modest present for you - my MIDI file (I made it for PSR 740) "Hafanana" in ...wow! In 2001!!! On the one track you can see SYSEX-s for Chords and ON\OFF for VH!
As I said earlier, you're asking for trouble running 2 mics split into a single jack with VH.
*That* is the trouble I was talking about; one vocal overwhelms the VH
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Really? Seems you never used 2 mics with the same VH! Here is the very old record (using analog camera) — VH is singing with us every "Hafanana" and all choruses! One VH for both of us simultaneously! Both mics are connected to the same port of PSR using Y-cable!
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seems to be loads of 4 channel mixers ---the output can then be fed into your 'aux'
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Doesn't the Studio Logic Numa X range have multiple microphone inputs ?
I think it may even allow up to 4 dynamic microphones to be connected. Check to be sure before you click 'buy it now' though.
I think it may even allow up to 4 dynamic microphones to be connected. Check to be sure before you click 'buy it now' though.
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The problem with the parallel hookup of twin microphones to a single pair is that one mic will always try to drive the sensing element of the other microphone and forget about stereo output.
Mixer is the way to go.
Mixer is the way to go.
Hmmmm... Stereo output of mics is the necessary thing?? Once again! I worked with such connection about 10 years! On the different scenes, with different amplifiers and speakers!... Nobody guessed I used Y-cable for 2 mics!
As a matter of fact, we did; the issue was exactly what HappyRat said; one mic always ended up overpowering the other and driving the VH; when the other tried to put their mouth closer , it ended up flickering the VH notes (which sounded *really* bad, as you can imagine; because it wasn't sure of the amount of pitch to shift *to* the target note; which resulted in the harmony notes randomly flickering up and down by 5th & 6th intervals and sometimes octave+)""....
As I said earlier, you're asking for trouble running 2 mics split into a single jack with VH.
*That* is the trouble I was talking about; one vocal overwhelms the VH
...""
Really? Seems you never used 2 mics with the same VH! Here is the very old record (using analog camera) — VH is singing with us every "Hafanana" and all choruses! One VH for both of us simultaneously! Both mics are connected to the same port of PSR using Y-cable!
My modest present for you - my MIDI file (I made it for PSR 740) "Hafanana" in ...wow! In 2001!!! On the one track you can see SYSEX-s for Chords and ON\OFF for VH!
Your example is so poorly recorded that it sounds like it's *just* the 2 of you singing, no VH whatsoever (it may be there, but the recording is from a cam, not an audio recorder, so it's not clean enough to discern any VH)
and *again* you're talking about a 26 year old keyboard; the current Yamaha arrangers *don't* even allow TRS mic inputs (TS only) so your point is moot unless you're willing to sell him your old 740
Side note, Technics keyboards went out of business in 2022; so while they're cool old collectibles, I personally wouldn't want to rely on a keyboard that's at least 22 years old; much less one from the last century (PSR740 is from 1999)I started training here at my current music retail job since '76, so I've seen and used all sorts of equipment together, yes. So essentially I started at my current job 49 years ago!
When I was 6, my dad started teaching me how to install speaker systems because it baffled him that none of his friends (and most customers) couldn't set them up themselves!
Yes the Y splitters worked up until about 2005, which is when we started running into issues and have been advising customers to use a mixer, as HappyRat noted above. Super simple, independent gain & volume (and reverb!) control.
Thank you all for your incredible feedback. I considered every option here. After much research, I decided to buy Yamaha CK-88 which was on sale. I haven't tested a mic with it yet, but I'm happy with how the keys feel and the sound quality so far.