My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording ( insteadof changing the voice as it's s

Discussion in 'cakewalk.audio' started by Roger, Jan 1, 2005.

  1. Roger

    Roger Guest

    When I'm recording using an audio effect, like reverb, the reverb effect
    can be heard on an echo that is heard, but not in my initial voice.

    When I play it back the effect is heard on the initial voice just like
    it's supposed to be, but I can't hear it that way when I record.

    I found the instruction to rid the echo problem by clicking on the 'stop
    audio' selection in the transport menu. This stops any echos, but when
    you're using an effect it also stops the effect.

    I checked the Cakewalk faqs and found instructions on echo problems, but
    I was'nt able to follow part of the instructions.

    The part that says

    choose Start | Programs | Accessories | Multimedia | Volume Control).
    Then choose Options | Properties | Adjust Volume For Playback, and make
    sure all boxes below are checked.

    With XP I went to control panel/sounds and audio devices...but I
    couldn't find any 'Adjust for playback' tab. So I'm not sure if that
    setting would have helped.

    I'm using a audigy 2 zs platinum card.

    I want to be able to hear the effects alone in my real-time voice while
    I'm recording.

    Can anyone tell me how to do this?

    Roger
     
    Roger, Jan 1, 2005
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    Steven Myers Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording ( instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )

    "Roger" <> wrote in message
    news:M8CBd.10125$...
    >
    > When I'm recording using an audio effect, like reverb, the reverb effect
    > can be heard on an echo that is heard, but not in my initial voice.


    You're probably experiencing latency. When you look at
    Options|Audio|General, what's the number you see in the "Effective latency
    at ..." line?
     
    Steven Myers, Jan 1, 2005
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  3. Roger

    Vinny Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording (instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )

    Definitely latency. The time of the "echo" is the latency that is set
    on your soundcard. In order to be inaudible, it needs to be under maybe
    5.8ms... I prefer to record at 2.9 when recording using plug-in reverb.
    - your soundcard may not be capable of that setting. You should make
    sure you are running either ASIO or WDM drivers in the Advanced tab of
    Options>Audio, and read the Cake help file on optimizing the audio
    latency on your system.

    SB card drivers are notoriously bad - its a gaming card, not a serious
    recording card. Recording using plug-in effects (using reverb and/or
    echo for voice, or a software guitar effect like NI GuitarRig or
    Amplitube) requires a fast and optimized computer with a good sound
    capture card and good drivers. If you can do without monitoring effect
    plug-ins during recording, you can record with a higher latency (almost
    everything is capable of at least 10-15ms these days).

    But that SB Audigy card will always give you problems. Chances are, I
    think you'll find your system incapable of doing what you're asking for.


    Steven Myers wrote:
    > "Roger" <> wrote in message
    > news:M8CBd.10125$...
    >
    >>When I'm recording using an audio effect, like reverb, the reverb effect
    >>can be heard on an echo that is heard, but not in my initial voice.

    >
    >
    > You're probably experiencing latency. When you look at
    > Options|Audio|General, what's the number you see in the "Effective latency
    > at ..." line?
    >
    >
     
    Vinny, Jan 1, 2005
    #3
  4. Roger

    Sue Morton Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording ( instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )

    Latency, yes, as Steven and Vinny have said.

    You didn't say what Cakewalk product you're using... which one? Knowing
    that should help us tell you right where to look.

    I have some small experience with the Audigy 2 plat series, it might be
    capable of a low enough latency setting if you use the ASIO drivers instead
    of WDM drivers. That would be a setting in the Cake software.

    But, using either type of driver, keep lowering the latency until you cannot
    record without the software dropping out (stopping). The next highest
    setting will be the best you can do.
    --
    Sue Morton

    "Roger" <> wrote in message
    news:M8CBd.10125$...
    >
    > When I'm recording using an audio effect, like reverb, the reverb effect
    > can be heard on an echo that is heard, but not in my initial voice.
    >
    > When I play it back the effect is heard on the initial voice just like
    > it's supposed to be, but I can't hear it that way when I record.
    >
    > I found the instruction to rid the echo problem by clicking on the 'stop
    > audio' selection in the transport menu. This stops any echos, but when
    > you're using an effect it also stops the effect.
    >
    > I checked the Cakewalk faqs and found instructions on echo problems, but I
    > was'nt able to follow part of the instructions.
    >
    > The part that says
    >
    > choose Start | Programs | Accessories | Multimedia | Volume Control). Then
    > choose Options | Properties | Adjust Volume For Playback, and make sure
    > all boxes below are checked.
    >
    > With XP I went to control panel/sounds and audio devices...but I couldn't
    > find any 'Adjust for playback' tab. So I'm not sure if that setting would
    > have helped.
    >
    > I'm using a audigy 2 zs platinum card.
    >
    > I want to be able to hear the effects alone in my real-time voice while
    > I'm recording.
    >
    > Can anyone tell me how to do this?
    >
    > Roger
    >
     
    Sue Morton, Jan 1, 2005
    #4
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    dustin Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording ( instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )


    >
    >SB card drivers are notoriously bad - its a gaming card, not a serious
    >recording card.
    >
    >But that SB Audigy card will always give you problems. Chances are, I
    >think you'll find your system incapable of doing what you're asking for.
    >


    Not true. The new SB cards with the external boxes like his (and
    mine) are a lot better than people think. They're obviously not just
    gaming cards anymore with all their inputs and outputs. What game
    needs MIDI ins/outs, SPDIF, etc. I know they aren't pro level, but for
    hobbyists and beginners they work very well for the money. His problem
    is in his settings somewhere. I have everything working just fine set
    at 4 ms latency.

    I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, just don't want to see
    someone get discouraged about their gear when that's not the problem.
    I was almost going to shell-out hundreds of dollars for a new
    soundcard myself after people told be mine was crap. Then I found the
    right menu and adjusted a setting, problem solved.
     
    dustin, Jan 2, 2005
    #5
  6. Roger

    Vinny Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording (instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )

    > I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, just don't want to see
    > someone get discouraged about their gear when that's not the problem.
    > I was almost going to shell-out hundreds of dollars for a new
    > soundcard myself after people told be mine was crap. Then I found the
    > right menu and adjusted a setting, problem solved.


    I'm not trying to be argumentative either. But if you've never
    experienced something better (and almost everything out there is better
    than a SB), you don't know what you're missing. There's plenty here
    that started on a SB - then moved on. No one's ever had the burning
    desire to go back. There are BIG issues with their drivers, that's a
    fact. They are optimized for gaming, that's a fact. People have a lot
    of problems (more so than with other cards) using them with audio apps,
    that's a fact.

    You can make plenty of good music with a SB. Chances are, getting there
    will at times be un-necessarily frustrating due to the SB card itself
    and it's drivers.

    If you don't believe me, wait awhile and you can tell me yourself. But
    in any case I'm not suggesting you immediately pull it out of your
    computer and throw it away! In fact, you're want to keep it in your
    system even after you you upgrade just for playing back those 5.1 mixes
    you've created in Sonar 4...

    :)
     
    Vinny, Jan 2, 2005
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  7. Roger

    dustin Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording ( instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )


    >I'm not trying to be argumentative either. But if you've never
    >experienced something better (and almost everything out there is better
    >than a SB), you don't know what you're missing.


    Ok, point taken. I'm still happy with my SB, though (for now).
    Thanks.
     
    dustin, Jan 2, 2005
    #7
  8. Roger

    Roger Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording (instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )

    Steven Myers wrote:
    > "Roger" <> wrote in message
    > news:M8CBd.10125$...
    >
    >>When I'm recording using an audio effect, like reverb, the reverb effect
    >>can be heard on an echo that is heard, but not in my initial voice.

    >
    >
    > You're probably experiencing latency. When you look at
    > Options|Audio|General, what's the number you see in the "Effective latency
    > at ..." line?
    >
    >

    To Steven from Roger

    It says Effective Latency at 44Khz/stereo 300.0 msec
     
    Roger, Jan 2, 2005
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  9. Roger

    Roger Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording (instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )

    I'm using Cakewalk home studio 2002

    Roger





    Sue Morton wrote:
    > Latency, yes, as Steven and Vinny have said.
    >
    > You didn't say what Cakewalk product you're using... which one? Knowing
    > that should help us tell you right where to look.
    >
    > I have some small experience with the Audigy 2 plat series, it might be
    > capable of a low enough latency setting if you use the ASIO drivers instead
    > of WDM drivers. That would be a setting in the Cake software.
    >
    > But, using either type of driver, keep lowering the latency until you cannot
    > record without the software dropping out (stopping). The next highest
    > setting will be the best you can do.
     
    Roger, Jan 3, 2005
    #9
  10. Roger

    Gary R. Hook Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording (instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )

    Roger wrote:
    >> You're probably experiencing latency. When you look at
    >> Options|Audio|General, what's the number you see in the "Effective
    >> latency at ..." line?
    >>

    > To Steven from Roger
    >
    > It says Effective Latency at 44Khz/stereo 300.0 msec


    That's an eternity, in audio terms. The human ear can disdern
    30 msec; 300 msec is a setting more appropriate for digital delay.

    There are supposed to be some ASIO drivers for the SB somewhere on
    the web; they've been mentioned here in the past. Unless you can
    get your latency down to 20 msec or less, you'll need to look for
    alternative approaches to getting your recording done.

    --
    Gary R. Hook
    ________________________________________________________________________
    Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit
     
    Gary R. Hook, Jan 3, 2005
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    Phoenix Guest

    Re: My audio effects are heard as an echo while I'm recording ( instead of changing the voice as it's spoken )

    "Vinny" <> wrote in message
    news:3TNBd.5371$...
    In fact, you're want to keep it in your
    > system even after you you upgrade just for playing back those 5.1 mixes
    > you've created in Sonar 4...
    >
    > :)


    ....and for the onboard MIDI synth. I keep my old SBLive for that reason.
     
    Phoenix, Jan 3, 2005
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