New user with slight concerns...

Discussion in 'alt.music.synth.kurzweil' started by Dave Scaramanga, May 18, 2009.

  1. Hello,

    Very recently I bought my first Kurzweil, a well-kept and nicely upgraded
    K2000. It is a marvellous machine, but I worry about the heat that is
    obviously being generated inside. The casing isn't very conductive of
    course, but touching the output jacks, I can tell there's some serious heat
    going on. The SCSI and digital in/outs at the other end of the keyboard
    don't radiate this heat, just those on the power supply end. I'd describe it
    as almost too hot to keep my fingers on.

    There is a fan built into the underside, presumably for an internal hard
    drive though there's no drive inside - but I don't know if it is removing
    heat from the PSU area. Should I be worried? I guess it's held out this far,
    it is a V2 but must be 16 years old?

    The other issue is the LCD backlight - it's a little faded. Are these
    replacable (as in 'You don't need a whole new screen assembly') - I'm quite
    used to replacing the EL foil in my Akai samplers...?

    Thanks for any advice.
     
    Dave Scaramanga, May 18, 2009
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    "Dave Scaramanga" <sunny.view.petfoodsATgooglemail.com> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello,
    >
    > Very recently I bought my first Kurzweil, a well-kept and nicely upgraded
    > K2000. It is a marvellous machine, but I worry about the heat that is
    > obviously being generated inside. The casing isn't very conductive of
    > course, but touching the output jacks, I can tell there's some serious
    > heat going on. The SCSI and digital in/outs at the other end of the
    > keyboard don't radiate this heat, just those on the power supply end. I'd
    > describe it as almost too hot to keep my fingers on.


    The K2000 power supply is a bit marginal - but should not give any problems
    on a machine that does not have an internal HD. My 2000VP also has fan but
    no HD, I think Kurzweil had started putting in the fan even without HD due
    to heat issues. The output jacks are mounted directly on a strip of metal
    that also serves as the heat sink for the power supply components - which is
    why they get warm.

    >
    > There is a fan built into the underside, presumably for an internal hard
    > drive though there's no drive inside - but I don't know if it is removing
    > heat from the PSU area. Should I be worried? I guess it's held out this
    > far, it is a V2 but must be 16 years old?
    >
    > The other issue is the LCD backlight - it's a little faded. Are these
    > replacable (as in 'You don't need a whole new screen assembly') - I'm
    > quite used to replacing the EL foil in my Akai samplers...?


    There are several EBay vendors offering LCD backlight assemblies. I have
    read of others successfully changing them, those with NO electronic
    experience tend to have problems; but, if you are used to electronic work
    and are careful, should be no problem. Mine is also faded, but still works.
    I leave my 2000VP and PC2 at church so I won't have to load in and out - and
    there is a light shining down on the instrument so viewing has not become
    enough problem to change the backlight (suppose I should get one while
    available, though). I also have a PC2X in the home as a family keyboard, and
    PC3X, K2661, and PC3 for my use. There are still a few sounds on the old
    2000VP (which has the same sound set as a K2500 without KDFX) that none of
    the later models sound as nice.

    The largest collection of Kurzweil users hang out on the SonikMatter forum,
    including some of the factory personnel.

    >
    > Thanks for any advice.
    >
     
    Ballroom Dancer, May 18, 2009
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  3. "Ballroom Dancer" <> wrote in message
    news:4a116185$0$23750$...
    > inline
    > "Dave Scaramanga" <sunny.view.petfoodsATgooglemail.com> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Hello,
    >>
    >> Very recently I bought my first Kurzweil, a well-kept and nicely upgraded
    >> K2000. It is a marvellous machine, but I worry about the heat that is
    >> obviously being generated inside. The casing isn't very conductive of
    >> course, but touching the output jacks, I can tell there's some serious
    >> heat going on. The SCSI and digital in/outs at the other end of the
    >> keyboard don't radiate this heat, just those on the power supply end. I'd
    >> describe it as almost too hot to keep my fingers on.

    >
    > The K2000 power supply is a bit marginal - but should not give any
    > problems on a machine that does not have an internal HD. My 2000VP also
    > has fan but no HD, I think Kurzweil had started putting in the fan even
    > without HD due to heat issues. The output jacks are mounted directly on a
    > strip of metal that also serves as the heat sink for the power supply
    > components - which is why they get warm.
    >
    >>
    >> There is a fan built into the underside, presumably for an internal hard
    >> drive though there's no drive inside - but I don't know if it is removing
    >> heat from the PSU area. Should I be worried? I guess it's held out this
    >> far, it is a V2 but must be 16 years old?
    >>
    >> The other issue is the LCD backlight - it's a little faded. Are these
    >> replacable (as in 'You don't need a whole new screen assembly') - I'm
    >> quite used to replacing the EL foil in my Akai samplers...?

    >
    > There are several EBay vendors offering LCD backlight assemblies. I have
    > read of others successfully changing them, those with NO electronic
    > experience tend to have problems; but, if you are used to electronic work
    > and are careful, should be no problem. Mine is also faded, but still
    > works. I leave my 2000VP and PC2 at church so I won't have to load in and
    > out - and there is a light shining down on the instrument so viewing has
    > not become enough problem to change the backlight (suppose I should get
    > one while available, though). I also have a PC2X in the home as a family
    > keyboard, and PC3X, K2661, and PC3 for my use. There are still a few
    > sounds on the old 2000VP (which has the same sound set as a K2500 without
    > KDFX) that none of the later models sound as nice.
    >
    > The largest collection of Kurzweil users hang out on the SonikMatter
    > forum, including some of the factory personnel.
    >
    >>
    >> Thanks for any advice.
    >>

    >
    >

    Hello, and thanks,

    That explains things a lot, and makes me feel better about this machine
    being powered on, the jacks being attached to a heatsink. I used it tonight
    for about three hours- it was worrying me since the jacks were too hot to
    hold on to. But thanks for that info, that's good news. Equally good news on
    the backlight too. Never fret about the availability of backlights, they
    will always be around. I started making the things myself for my Akais after
    noting that many vendors were not laminating and insulating the things
    properly. Since they operate at 100 - 200 volts, the badly made backlights
    can do costly damage.

    I can't understand how I managed without a Kurzweil, and I've only had it
    for two days. It has all the P-RAM and SMP-K with 64MB RAM and
    OS3.5something J, all that business. Granted, none of my synths or drum
    machines were born this century so I can't compare it to the latest
    Roland/Yamaha/Korg gadgets but this thing is very, very deep. Impressive
    doesn't come close to describing this incredible tool. The sounds and the
    depth of sonic possibilities is astounding, and I'm liking the sequencer a
    lot. The keys feel good. Naturally I crave one of the later Kurzweils now,
    but there is a lot of power in this synth by any standards so it deserves to
    be used, a lot.

    So, Mr. Dancer, I take it you are a fan of the Kurzweil range? That's a fine
    collection. You liked them so much, you bought the company? Or half it's
    stock, at least...

    Sincere Regards,

    Dave Scaramanga
     
    Dave Scaramanga, May 19, 2009
    #3
  4. "Dave Scaramanga" <sunny.view.petfoodsATgooglemail.com> wrote in message
    news:...

    > Hello, and thanks,
    >
    > That explains things a lot, and makes me feel better about this machine
    > being powered on, the jacks being attached to a heatsink. I used it
    > tonight for about three hours- it was worrying me since the jacks were too
    > hot to hold on to. But thanks for that info, that's good news. Equally
    > good news on the backlight too. Never fret about the availability of
    > backlights, they will always be around. I started making the things myself
    > for my Akais after noting that many vendors were not laminating and
    > insulating the things properly. Since they operate at 100 - 200 volts, the
    > badly made backlights can do costly damage.
    >
    > I can't understand how I managed without a Kurzweil, and I've only had it
    > for two days. It has all the P-RAM and SMP-K with 64MB RAM and
    > OS3.5something J, all that business. Granted, none of my synths or drum
    > machines were born this century so I can't compare it to the latest
    > Roland/Yamaha/Korg gadgets but this thing is very, very deep. Impressive
    > doesn't come close to describing this incredible tool. The sounds and the
    > depth of sonic possibilities is astounding, and I'm liking the sequencer a
    > lot. The keys feel good. Naturally I crave one of the later Kurzweils now,
    > but there is a lot of power in this synth by any standards so it deserves
    > to be used, a lot.
    >
    > So, Mr. Dancer, I take it you are a fan of the Kurzweil range? That's a
    > fine collection. You liked them so much, you bought the company? Or half
    > it's stock, at least...
    >
    > Sincere Regards,
    >
    > Dave Scaramanga
    >

    I ran a business for about 30 years servicing electronic organs, keyboards,
    amps, etc. During that time, I serviced most makes and models, and was an
    authorized service center for Yamaha. Frankly, if I were to use anything
    else beside Kurzweil, it would probably be Yamaha - their service is (or at
    least was) excellent. I had problems with a number of the companies in
    getting any parts or information.
    My main reason for liking Kurzweil is the sound quality. I play as a part of
    our church praise band, also in a local jazz ensemble and country/gospel
    group. The church has a PC88MX and a SP2X. My first personal Kurzweil was a
    SP88X, bought to use as a family keyboard for my granddaughter to take piano
    lessons. It is the only one I have sold - I liked it, but like the pianos
    better on the PC2X, and ran into a used one at a good price. The K2000VP and
    PC2 (76 key) are left at the church. I could sell them, but at 67 years old,
    it is really nice to have a full setup including my 2 bass guitar amps and
    their cabinets left there so there is no loadin.
    The 2661 was bought (used) for a lighter weight gigging keyboard before the
    PC3 series came out. I like the sounds a lot better on the PC3 series. I
    wanted a full 88 key weighted action in my shop/studio, and got the PC3X
    about 14 months ago, one of the first 65 in the US. Liked it well enough
    that I added a 76 key PC3 for gigging. Sometimes I use both the PC3 and
    2661 - I serviced church organs for years, and am used to two keyboard
    playing.
    No, I don't own any part of Kurzweil - they are on solid footing, being
    owned by the giant Korean company Hyundai. They almost went under a few
    years ago after a hostile takeover, but the courts in Korea finally
    dissolved that takeover and the company became viable again.

    The VAST synthesis system is not easy to learn - but has an immense range -
    I guess complexity and ability work together.

    Hope you continue to enjoy your 2000. The first electronic keyboard ever to
    replace a real grand piano for the Pink Floyd group was a 2000, with a 88
    key Kurzweil Midiboard as controller. They also used a 2000VP in touring.
     
    Ballroom Dancer, May 19, 2009
    #4
  5. "Ballroom Dancer" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Dave Scaramanga" <sunny.view.petfoodsATgooglemail.com> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >> Hello, and thanks,
    >>
    >> That explains things a lot, and makes me feel better about this machine
    >> being powered on, the jacks being attached to a heatsink. I used it
    >> tonight for about three hours- it was worrying me since the jacks were
    >> too hot to hold on to. But thanks for that info, that's good news.
    >> Equally good news on the backlight too. Never fret about the availability
    >> of backlights, they will always be around. I started making the things
    >> myself for my Akais after noting that many vendors were not laminating
    >> and insulating the things properly. Since they operate at 100 - 200
    >> volts, the badly made backlights can do costly damage.
    >>
    >> I can't understand how I managed without a Kurzweil, and I've only had it
    >> for two days. It has all the P-RAM and SMP-K with 64MB RAM and
    >> OS3.5something J, all that business. Granted, none of my synths or drum
    >> machines were born this century so I can't compare it to the latest
    >> Roland/Yamaha/Korg gadgets but this thing is very, very deep. Impressive
    >> doesn't come close to describing this incredible tool. The sounds and the
    >> depth of sonic possibilities is astounding, and I'm liking the sequencer
    >> a lot. The keys feel good. Naturally I crave one of the later Kurzweils
    >> now, but there is a lot of power in this synth by any standards so it
    >> deserves to be used, a lot.
    >>
    >> So, Mr. Dancer, I take it you are a fan of the Kurzweil range? That's a
    >> fine collection. You liked them so much, you bought the company? Or half
    >> it's stock, at least...
    >>
    >> Sincere Regards,
    >>
    >> Dave Scaramanga
    >>

    > I ran a business for about 30 years servicing electronic organs,
    > keyboards, amps, etc. During that time, I serviced most makes and models,
    > and was an authorized service center for Yamaha. Frankly, if I were to
    > use anything else beside Kurzweil, it would probably be Yamaha - their
    > service is (or at least was) excellent. I had problems with a number of
    > the companies in getting any parts or information.
    > My main reason for liking Kurzweil is the sound quality. I play as a part
    > of our church praise band, also in a local jazz ensemble and
    > country/gospel group. The church has a PC88MX and a SP2X. My first
    > personal Kurzweil was a SP88X, bought to use as a family keyboard for my
    > granddaughter to take piano lessons. It is the only one I have sold - I
    > liked it, but like the pianos better on the PC2X, and ran into a used one
    > at a good price. The K2000VP and PC2 (76 key) are left at the church. I
    > could sell them, but at 67 years old, it is really nice to have a full
    > setup including my 2 bass guitar amps and their cabinets left there so
    > there is no loadin.
    > The 2661 was bought (used) for a lighter weight gigging keyboard before
    > the PC3 series came out. I like the sounds a lot better on the PC3 series.
    > I wanted a full 88 key weighted action in my shop/studio, and got the PC3X
    > about 14 months ago, one of the first 65 in the US. Liked it well enough
    > that I added a 76 key PC3 for gigging. Sometimes I use both the PC3 and
    > 2661 - I serviced church organs for years, and am used to two keyboard
    > playing.
    > No, I don't own any part of Kurzweil - they are on solid footing, being
    > owned by the giant Korean company Hyundai. They almost went under a few
    > years ago after a hostile takeover, but the courts in Korea finally
    > dissolved that takeover and the company became viable again.
    >
    > The VAST synthesis system is not easy to learn - but has an immense
    > range - I guess complexity and ability work together.
    >
    > Hope you continue to enjoy your 2000. The first electronic keyboard ever
    > to replace a real grand piano for the Pink Floyd group was a 2000, with a
    > 88 key Kurzweil Midiboard as controller. They also used a 2000VP in
    > touring.
    >
    >


    It certainly seems as though you know where the quality is. I have nowhere
    near that kind of experience with the latest and greatest. My collection is
    a rack of older Akai samplers, a Korg M1, an old Juno and a D10, an old
    Yamaha FM rack, a few bass synths and a few drum machines. I thought I had
    pretty much exhausted every sample-based synthesis option, except perhaps
    for a Wavestation. This K2000 has opened my ears again and I'm like a kid
    with a new toy. When the correct SCSI cable arrives there will be an
    opportunity to breathe new life into a vast homemade collection of sounds,
    but there's certainly no rush. Kurzweil seemed to capture some lovely pianos
    and strings, well, everything for that matter, but even basic waves can
    sound good. Obviously after 3 days I haven't even scratched the surface.
    It's fantastic to me that there is so much to learn and do. You will have
    seen the prices for yourself so I don't need to say what immense value it
    was.

    I was watching the Kurzweil Rep. playing the PC3X at the NAMM show on
    Youtube, and that sounded pretty impressive even through my little computer
    speakers. There seemed to be a lot of people berating the outdated OS and
    the mmassively-deep nested menu driven way of doing things, but if the sound
    is soo good, what's the issue. To me, the depth would be the second biggest
    selling point, after the sound.

    I'll definitely keep this K2000 playing, anyway. I really appreciate your
    replies - thank you. I hope you continue to enjoy those masterpieces - when
    I 'arrive' i'll snag a new Kurzweil or two...
     
    Dave Scaramanga, May 20, 2009
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