Newbie Introduction and advice

[Cliff307]

Hi,

I'm a newbie to this forum and thought I'd say Hello. I've been playing since 1975 and currently use a Roland Juno-DS 88, Roland 730 and Montage 8. I need a simple effects patch for this song we are playing. (Free Ride by the Edgar Winter Group). It's basically a slow rising pad that sounds a little like wind. I've found 6 potential patches on the Juno and 4 on the Montage.

My gear is at our rehearsal studio so I can't really listen to them right now.

So crazy me thought what a great opportunity to learn the whole VST world with necessity being the mother of invention. So, I found TAL-Noisemaker and listened to some of the factory presets through FL Studio. Not being a synthesist and more of a piano player, I figure I have some options.

1 - Be patient and wait until I can get to listen to the existing patches.
2 - Dive head first into the whole TAL-Noisemaker interface and climb that learning curve.
3 - A gracious person will give me a screen shot of the TAL-Noisemaker settings. I'll record it and load as a sample.

My wife says I'm too much of a purist and people won't recognize a "less windy" patch and to just use a factory preset but they all rise up and I need a freq drop direction.

Any guidance or pointers would be greatly appreciated. Happy Friday!


Kind Regards,
Cliff
Philadelphia, PA

 

[Cariboux2]

Hi,

I'm a newbie to this forum and thought I'd say Hello. I've been playing since 1975 and currently use a Roland Juno-DS 88, Roland 730 and Montage 8. I need a simple effects patch for this song we are playing. (Free Ride by the Edgar Winter Group). It's basically a slow rising pad that sounds a little like wind. I've found 6 potential patches on the Juno and 4 on the Montage.

My gear is at our rehearsal studio so I can't really listen to them right now.

So crazy me thought what a great opportunity to learn the whole VST world with necessity being the mother of invention. So, I found TAL-Noisemaker and listened to some of the factory presets through FL Studio. Not being a synthesist and more of a piano player, I figure I have some options.

1 - Be patient and wait until I can get to listen to the existing patches.
2 - Dive head first into the whole TAL-Noisemaker interface and climb that learning curve.
3 - A gracious person will give me a screen shot of the TAL-Noisemaker settings. I'll record it and load as a sample.

My wife says I'm too much of a purist and people won't recognize a "less windy" patch and to just use a factory preset but they all rise up and I need a freq drop direction.

Any guidance or pointers would be greatly appreciated. Happy Friday!


Kind Regards,
Cliff
Philadelphia, PA

Yeah, I think I have an idea. This is my first reply by the way - and I'm a newbie and more of a pianist than synthesist, BUT I do use FL Studio. I've never used TAL, but I have used FL Studio's Sytrus, which is a very powerful FM synth that can make almost any sound. HOWEVER, I just listened to that song, and most of it appears to be clavinet (or a Rhodes or Wurly run through some effects - but I suspect a clavinet). Now, about that wind... I can see why you want it there - I can also understand what your wife is saying. But the good news is... it's EASY to make on a regular synthesizer. Just take your noise dial and turn it up. Make sure your filter is set to low pass (LP), and adjust the frequency cut off - aka filter - usually the big knob - and the resonance to set it to the sound you want at the beginning. Turn down other oscillators if they're giving you a discernible tone. Then when you get the noise about right, slowly turn your filter / frequency cut-off knob up to allow for higher frequencies of the noise to pass through the filter. I forget how to make sure no tones from the oscillators come through - you may have to turn them all off - I'll check when I get on my Summit later. But if you're on FL Studio, I'd just practice with an analog simulation type of synth (if you have the Diva that would work great - but you can use their stock three oscillator synth as well). You could even automate the frequency cut off / filter knob, so that when you press the note, it will automatically do the slow rise with the frequency / cut off knob, leaving you with a free hand. Or set it on the piano roll and press play and it will do it itself. Hope some of this makes sense. It's not a perfect answer but may point you in the right direction.

 

[Cliff307]

Yeah, I think I have an idea. This is my first reply by the way - and I'm a newbie and more of a pianist than synthesist, BUT I do use FL Studio. I've never used TAL, but I have used FL Studio's Sytrus, which is a very powerful FM synth that can make almost any sound. HOWEVER, I just listened to that song, and most of it appears to be clavinet (or a Rhodes or Wurly run through some effects - but I suspect a clavinet). Now, about that wind... I can see why you want it there - I can also understand what your wife is saying. But the good news is... it's EASY to make on a regular synthesizer. Just take your noise dial and turn it up. Make sure your filter is set to low pass (LP), and adjust the frequency cut off - aka filter - usually the big knob - and the resonance to set it to the sound you want at the beginning. Turn down other oscillators if they're giving you a discernible tone. Then when you get the noise about right, slowly turn your filter / frequency cut-off knob up to allow for higher frequencies of the noise to pass through the filter. I forget how to make sure no tones from the oscillators come through - you may have to turn them all off - I'll check when I get on my Summit later. But if you're on FL Studio, I'd just practice with an analog simulation type of synth (if you have the Diva that would work great - but you can use their stock three oscillator synth as well). You could even automate the frequency cut off / filter knob, so that when you press the note, it will automatically do the slow rise with the frequency / cut off knob, leaving you with a free hand. Or set it on the piano roll and press play and it will do it itself. Hope some of this makes sense. It's not a perfect answer but may point you in the right direction.

Thank so very much. I'll give it a shot.

 

[Cariboux2]

Thank so very much. I'll give it a shot.

This guy is saying something similar to what I said, except he's using band pass instead of low pass. Low pass may be better for what you're looking for. Band pass allows only the frequencies within the band to pass, so when you move up it cuts off lower frequencies. I believe the sound on that song kept the lower frequencies while adding higher - which would mean a low pass filter. But if it's not doing the trick, try the band pass. I'm sure your Roland will have a noise generator.