Programming a D-10, changing default settings, etc.

Discussion in 'alt.music.synth.roland' started by bladeslinger, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. bladeslinger

    bladeslinger Guest

    I bought a used D-10 on ebay recently, hoping it'd be a little closer
    to the old Juno-2 than Juno-D that I have now.

    I was looking for a synth that has more parameters you can change.
    The Juno-D (atleast to me) seems to have a limited number of changable
    parameters. I remember my old Juno-2 seemed like you had about 40 or
    50 different things you could change on the DCO, VCA, LFO, ENV, etc.

    I remember getting a little magazine from Roland that would have new
    patches for the Juno-2, and I'd always program those in...often they
    were worthy of saving. I had the memory cartridge in my Juno-2 also,
    so I had room to put new patches.

    I often wrote my own patches as well. In fact when I sold that synth
    I let it go with several dozen original patches still programmed in.

    When I got this D-10 recently, I bought it on the faith of what I
    remembered of the D-50. I knew a couple guys who were playing D-50's
    back then, and they came up with some great patches on it. I figured
    the D-10 might be a stripped down version of the D-50. Kinda like
    Yamaha DX21 being a stripped down DX7, and so forth.

    Well, first of all I actually like the playability of the D-10,
    eventhough I am not really much of a keyboard player, I can appreciate
    it. The unit was in pretty good shape. Everything seems to work
    fine, there is one button that you have to sometimes press twice or
    just a little harder than the rest (it's one of the memory
    buttons)...no big deal.

    But I'm having difficulty figuring out how to program this thing. The
    parameters are totally alien to me, compared to my old Juno-2. I
    suspect this thing has programmability somewhat like what I've heard
    of the Yamaha DX series FM synths. Everyone always seems to say
    those DX's are a pain in the rear to program.

    I also don't like how the unit seems to default to split keyboard.
    I've never been a fan of split keyboards. Perhaps if I could actually
    play keyboards well, I might appreciate it, but I'll be using this
    synth with a multitrack recording setup...probably often playing with
    only one hand at a time...and I'd rather have the entire keyboard for
    the same patch. I do know how to go in and set it that way, but it
    doesn't STAY that way. And I don't know if there's a global way to
    set it so ALL patches are whole keyboard.

    I doubt I'll be using the "multi-timbral" aspect of this synth very
    often.

    Actually what I wanted it for more than anything was to create
    odd-ball sounds and sound effects. My Juno-D has a lot better patches
    for pianos, organs, strings, etc. So it'll be the one I'll go to for
    those types of sounds. I wanted this D-10 more for the beeps and
    blips, and other worldly sounds that you hear a lot in progressive
    rock, art rock, electronic music, etc.

    Is there an online source or even a printed book that explains
    programming the D-10 in an easy to understand format?
    If so, I'd like to know.
     
    bladeslinger, Feb 15, 2010
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  2. bladeslinger

    S - E - A Guest

    On 15/02/2010 05:29, bladeslinger wrote:
    > I bought a used D-10 on ebay recently, hoping it'd be a little closer
    > to the old Juno-2 than Juno-D that I have now.
    >

    It's probably a little further away if anything..

    > I was looking for a synth that has more parameters you can change.
    > The Juno-D (atleast to me) seems to have a limited number of changable
    > parameters. I remember my old Juno-2 seemed like you had about 40 or
    > 50 different things you could change on the DCO, VCA, LFO, ENV, etc.
    >

    The D-10/110's are very simplistic, the synth section has a saw or
    square wave. the TVF equates to the VCF of the Juno, the TVA the VCA. No
    LFO as such (appart from the modulation level).
    The Juno D has much more to offer..
    That said, I've my 110, and it's still a useful little box.

    > When I got this D-10 recently, I bought it on the faith of what I
    > remembered of the D-50. I knew a couple guys who were playing D-50's
    > back then, and they came up with some great patches on it. I figured
    > the D-10 might be a stripped down version of the D-50. Kinda like
    > Yamaha DX21 being a stripped down DX7, and so forth.


    The D-50 has a very different beast. The still only has the saw & square
    waves, but has 3 LFO's to play with. Add a couple of chorus units, you
    have a huge sounding synth. The filters still sound a bit 'nasal' when
    compared to the Juno-2.

    > But I'm having difficulty figuring out how to program this thing. The
    > parameters are totally alien to me, compared to my old Juno-2. I
    > suspect this thing has programmability somewhat like what I've heard
    > of the Yamaha DX series FM synths. Everyone always seems to say
    > those DX's are a pain in the rear to program.


    There should be some parameters you should recognise.
    DX's where hard as the parameters no one recognised, Brian Eno
    understood them, as did Yamaha. Everyone else was scratching their heads.


    >
    > I also don't like how the unit seems to default to split keyboard.
    > I've never been a fan of split keyboards. Perhaps if I could actually
    > play keyboards well, I might appreciate it, but I'll be using this
    > synth with a multitrack recording setup...probably often playing with
    > only one hand at a time...and I'd rather have the entire keyboard for
    > the same patch. I do know how to go in and set it that way, but it
    > doesn't STAY that way. And I don't know if there's a global way to
    > set it so ALL patches are whole keyboard.


    That I don't know, as the D-110 doesn't have these Upper/Lower, Dual,
    Split functions. (This comes from the D-50)

    >
    > I doubt I'll be using the "multi-timbral" aspect of this synth very
    > often.
    >
    > Actually what I wanted it for more than anything was to create
    > odd-ball sounds and sound effects. My Juno-D has a lot better patches
    > for pianos, organs, strings, etc. So it'll be the one I'll go to for
    > those types of sounds. I wanted this D-10 more for the beeps and
    > blips, and other worldly sounds that you hear a lot in progressive
    > rock, art rock, electronic music, etc.
    >

    There is a ring modulator with the D series.
    The Juno D is effectively a sample playback unit (ROMpular), the synth
    waveforms of the D series are computer generated (think of it as a DCO),
    but does have some sampled partials, short real samples designed to be
    mixed in with the synth wave form to fool you into thinking it's a real
    instrument. Kind of works, but the Piano on the D-10 is far from
    sounding as good as the Juno D's. Even the D-50's piano was far from
    mind blowing. It had a good range of Electic Pianos, and was trying to
    get in on the DX act.


    > Is there an online source or even a printed book that explains
    > programming the D-10 in an easy to understand format?
    > If so, I'd like to know.


    The D series was fairly popular, but that was sometime ago.
    Although the D-50 isn't the same as the D-10, you should be able to take
    some of the terminology and use it on the D-10. So anything that relates
    to both might be useful.
     
    S - E - A, Feb 15, 2010
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