S90ES assignable sliders

[jimchik]

Greetings everyone,

my first post here. But I'm by no means a nubee. And to that point, that I have to ask this is a bit embarrassing, but, well, so be it.

Yes, the venerable S90ES. Love the kbd. Just had it overhauled last year, actually (new kbd, etc...). It gets used pretty intensely at times, both home and away. No MIDI issues for, well, years. At lest none that I couldn't figure out myself. Until this one. Somehow, yesterday, it stopped sending cc #14. My first assumption is that it's something stupid. But after hours of trouble shooting (looking at everything from the DAW, to defective sliders, a factory reset, another kbd to narrow down the list, etc...), I can safely say that it is something in the programming of the S90 that has cc 14 blocked. Only this controller.

One thing that I need to restate; I spent hours trouble shooting this, covering, what I think, is every possibility except the correct one. I also know that the OS's handling of assignable CC numbers is a bit awkward. And, above all, it was working properly for, well, since forever. So, I'm here looking for insights.

Thanks in advance for helpful ideas. Again, I've already spent wayyyyy too much time trouble shooting this .

 

[jimchik]

To follow up, if anyone has interest;

I was able to transmit CC14 while in Perform mode, by simply selecting it in the CTL ASN tab of the Common parameter set. In fact, I do seem to remember that this was an important part of getting these CC's to transmit, but also their being maintained when switching back to Voice mode. However, still, when switching back to Voice mode, AS1 and AS2 are for some reason set to CC16 & 17 respectfully. In none of the modes are these sliders set to CC 16 and/or 17. I have no idea where to change this so that it's maintained through the various single voices. And, FWIW, in the general tab, of the common settings in Voice edit mode, CS Assign is set to assign. Again, the kbd has worked fine for years with the wished for CC #'s... I just have no idea why it all of a sudden changed.

And this is importatnt because of my settings with the many PI's and VI's that I've been using. Yeah, I could step-by-step change things to match the kbd, but then I would never know why the CC numbers changed to begin with.

At the end of the day, I can use Perform mode which does maintain the desired CC #'s. But, I would sure love to know how to get things back to how they were. Thanks again, in advance, for any helpful suggestions.

 

[jimchik]

For the both of you that might still be interested...

At some point yesterday, my cludge around the issue failed again. And once again, CC14 is blocked. Now, my next thought was that maybe it's somehow getting a spurious MIDI message causing this. It could only be coming from the DAW, but there are no MIDI tracks instantiated with the kbd as a destination. Audio/MIDI setup shows nothing unusual.

Additionally, sliders Assign A & B are now sending CC 73 and 78, or something. Where did this come from? Despite that the display is saying that they're sending 11 & 12 as I want them to. And keep in mind, that from a b/up kbd, the controllers' data are sent w/o an issue.

oy....

 

[jimchik]

So, still trying to suss this out. The status as it's been for a couple of days now is that in Perform, Master, and Multi/Seq Play moddes, the AS1 & 2 sliders are set to CC's 14 & 15, and are transmitting these controllers. When I go back to Voice mode, AS1 & 2 are set to CC's 16 & 17. And they are transmitting these controllers. Also, Assign A & B are transmitting CC's 11 & 12, as intended (this is editable from the utility menu. The AS1 & 2 controller numbers are seemingly only editable in other modes, but not in Voice mode).

So, at the end of all of this, I guess I'm asking for some help in figuring out where I can assign AS1 & 2 so that they maintain CC's 14 & 15 while in Voice mode. I had thought it was connected to Perform, or another mode, but no such luck. Or so it seems.

Heh, if nothing else, I guess it's good for me to write this out so that I can track the trouble shooting and such more clearly...

 

[jimchik]

A follow-up...

I've found the page in Utility Mode to assign the CC's to the Assign 1 & 2 sliders. But now, Asn1, while set to 14, only sends it when the master transmit channel is set to anything other than channel 1. When I set either Asn 1 or 2 to 14, that CC will not be transmitted while the master transmit channel is Channel 1. It will send CC14 while set to any other master transmit channel. Likewise, when Asn1 is set to anything other than 14, it will send that CC # while set to transmit on Channel 1.

Now, the other strange thing is that the MIDI monitor in my DAW does show activity when moving the slider, while set to transmit on Channel 1, but no MIDI activity is recorded. Despite this, it's hard for me to believe that it's something in the DAW because with a different controller kbd, CC 14 on channel 1 works as expected. Both are connected via USB.