How to make a keyboard SOUND like a REAL piano

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  1. Pratty

    Pratty

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    Hi awesome piano players

    I have a good yamaha midi keyboard and have just found out about "modules and plugins" that make the keyboard sound like a sampled real grand piano!

    I would greatly appreciate any advice at all or were to learn how I go about setting this up. I don't know any good modules that are commonly used or plugins and no idea what sort of laptop would be able to handle live gigs without freezing like all computer I own do haha

    I hope you can help me.
    Thankyou :)
    Pratty, Sep 3, 2010
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    Skipp Moderator

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    Ahh... the infamous search for THE sound.

    As you may already know - sound is very subjective, and something one person likes - the other may not.

    I hate Korg pianos - even the brand new ones, and some people love them.

    Anyway... if you want a cheap, small, low requirements piano VST that sounds
    great - take a look at Pianoteq.

    Keep in mind those are NOT samples - it's actually a simulation of a grand piano
    and it really sounds amazing!

    The program is less then 100mb (afaik)

    http://www.modartt.com/discover_pianoteq3?pianoteq=1c39d88d3945299208538808b4e73020
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    I'm a Truepianos owner and used it for just over a hundred gigs on a laptop. Great piece of software. Truepianos and Pianoteq both have usuable demos. Both run ok without a top of the range computer.

    What model is your Yamaha keyboard?

    Good hardware piano modules (all discontinued):
    GEM made one that would be top of my list - RP-X
    Kurzweil - they had a dedicated piano module and one with extra sounds called the ME-1 (great sounds if you can find one)
    Roland - anything thing that takes their SRX-11 card (or a Sonic Cell which has a good piano sound if it's the same as the one in the Juno Stage). Their older JV-1010 can be picked up quite cheaply and has perfectly giggable piano sounds.

    Korg Yamaha and Alesis all produced usable piano modules.

    Oberheim produced a good one (according to the US Keyboard magazine).

    Go for a module rather than a laptop if it's for live use. Easy to set up - no problems in MONO (not all the modelled ones are great if you don't use them in stereo).

    Years ago I gigged with a Roland digital piano called an RD-350S - it came out not long after the RD1000. It sounded great through a PA. The module version is called an MKS -20. Only 16 notes polyphony but go for it (for live use) if you find one that's not a silly price.
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    Pianoteq

    Thanks skip! I really appreciate your advice!!! I'll definatly check it out!!!
    Thankyou so much :) :) :)
    Pratty, Sep 4, 2010
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    Modules

    Thanyou!!! Gee this is amazing I have been able to get such great advice from you genius's!!!!

    Were is the best place to get modules from? And also my keyboard is a yamaha p-80 so if I brought a Roland module- how do I know if it's compadible with mine as I don't have a owners manual for my keyboard :(

    Thanks again. Your help and advice is greatly appreciated
    Pratty, Sep 4, 2010
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    Check out the italian grand at sythology.com
    Burn4Him, Sep 4, 2010
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    Ok, cool thanks!
    Money wise does it work out better using a MacBook pro with plugins compared to a module??
    Pratty, Sep 4, 2010
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    Skipp Moderator

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    I alway prefer dedicated hardware over VSTs and computers.
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    +1 for live playing

    Also (to the OP) what's wrong with the piano sound in the P80 that you have?
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    Cool thanks guys :)
    Does anyone know of a good module for live playing?? Also does 1 fit all cause it's midi? Or if you have a yamaha keyboard do I need a yamaha module meaning "Can you mix the brands?"
    And what's a commonly used one? Because I have a Yamaha P-80


    Thanks heaps everyone :D
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    goz211 Moderator

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    I'm confused - what is it that you want or need that your P80 doesn't do?
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    Hi goz

    I'm just trying to find out if there is any device and a part on this forum that discuss's how to get that sampled sound of a true grand piano from a digital midi keyboard.
    Pratty, Sep 8, 2010
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    Skipp Moderator

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    Now I'm confused too...

    Getting sound from a MIDI keyboard? MIDI keyboard as in a regular controller (they have no sounds you know), or a MIDI keyboard as any regular synth?

    And what does "Get that sample sound" mean? If you have a keyboard,
    most likely you will have a grand piano sound in it - it depends on the age of the keyboard and the
    manufacturer how good the sample is.

    You really can't expect a great piano sound from an old keyboard.

    Then again, you could always plug it into your computer and use a VST of some sort :)

    The rest of it - is just pure tweaking and variations on the same sample set.
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    Thanks guys yes that's exactly what I mean but what are some good hardware modules or units that have velocity layers aswell as tweaking knobs (equalizers) that can plug into my midi keyboard
    (for the signal I play to pass through the module device to my amp)
    Pratty, Sep 10, 2010
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    You'll need to help us out with more info before we can give you advice.

    (1) Are you asking how to get a better piano sound than the one in your P80?

    (2) EQ? What do you want to do - roll off some bass or ...?
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    Hey Goz thanks mate :)

    Yes 1) is exactly what I want to do but to also have those velocity layers like a vst but for it to be a piece of hardware instead of loading it all into a laptop that can get virus's and shutdown for no reason- is this possible? Is the velocity built into the vst? Or is it built into the keyboard. My p-80 has some layers, wieghted keys and midi out...
    Pratty, Sep 11, 2010
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    But can a vst or sounds loaded into a module become recognized by velocity if your keyboards default pianos only have say 3 layers?.....
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    Can I swoop in on this thread? Been looking for a great piano sound myself, and theres no point starting a new thread to ask about practically the same thing.

    Checked out the Pianoteq etc, sounds great. But, Im looking for a dedicated sound module (hardware) to plug in to my Korg SP-200. Can anyone suggest a good module? (Possibly with other great sounds in it too).

    I'd be grateful for the advice as usual,
    Thanks,
    keysmccarthy
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    The answer is yes (if I understand what you are asking).

    Any keyboard with a midi out can be used to control a module with a midi in.

    You could also play a VST - provided you have some way of connecting your keyboard to the computer - MIDI or some of the recent keyboards have a USB option.

    Your P80 will send on/off and velocity (how loud/soft) messages right across the range - not just at 3 fived levels.
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    Hello there - sorry to do this to you but - what's wrong with the piano sound in your Korg?

    You can run Pianoteq in a hardware VST host. Do a search for "Muse Receptor." There's a cheaper option SM Pro's VMachine. I don't own and have no direct experience of either - just lots of web research (and I decided against either).

    (Controversial statement coming up) - the best hardware piano module is (according to the web chatter I've seen) the one made by GeneralMusic which is no longer produced - the RP-X. If I saw one that wasn't a silly price I'd probably buy it.

    Good luck (and are you sure the stock sound in your Korg isn't fine and dandy?)
    goz211, Sep 21, 2010
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