Oogie Wa Wa
Nate, bass and keys for The Feds Band
Hi forum Dwellers!
I recently got a DS61 and am trying to set things up for live performances with a multi-genre 3-piece band.
I normally play bass, and will continue doing that on the bass and/or keys (panned to the Left Output, which goes to my bass amp,) in addition to adding quite a few other things for depth on some of our songs that need it.
I have some questions. OK, I have lots of questions! My brain hurts. But as far as the workflow and hierarchy for setting up Favorites for specific songs, at least, here's how I understand it as of now. Please see if this makes sense, or provide some input on what I'm missing or have wrong.
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It looks like that if I have a Patch that will work, but I want to change some of the parameters such as ADSR stuff, octave, effects, pan, cutoff and such, I need to make those changes and put it in a User Patch. If that's all I need, I can put that in a Favorite. Or I can use it as a part of a Performance.
But normally I'll at least be using the keyboard "split" (generic version, lower case) with the bass on the left, other tone/sound(s) on the right. In order to do that, I'll need to make a Performance, which will be saved in a User Performance. I may be using the Split function some, perhaps a Super Layer or Dual, but mostly just stacking instruments up in a Performance in none of those modes. (Another question on that later. *)
So I set all that up and then I can save it as a User Performance, and then as a Favorite. Correct so far?
My old Casio also had a Mixer function, where once you got everything set up on a low level for each split/patch/tone/sound, you could go back in and make changes to a lot of the parameters on a higher level for each Part, which would all be saved to a Register, immediately accessible. Am I missing it, or are all those things done at the Patch and Performance level? I don't see anything like that separate Mixer function, unless I'm being really daft.
In fact, just what all does a Favorite save? Just that particular Patch or Performance, or are there other parameters I'm not aware of? The manuals are, uh, sparse at best with that big picture kind of info. I did look. A lot!
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* Back to the mode question for multiple instruments; Split doesn't appear to allow adding a layer, and neither Dual or Super Layers allow a split. The appear to be mutually exclusive. So I imagine that the best way for me to set things up is: to not use any of those functions, but set the bass (panned mostly left) up on Part 1 (with volume control on the third slider,) and set the Range (lower, upper) for say the first two octaves on the left only. Then add instruments (panned somewhat to the right) that I don't need to change volume on (particularly pads) on Parts 3-16, with 3 as the "main" instrument on the rest of the Range (upper three octaves.) For Part 2, I'll put the instrument that I want to bring in as a layer, so that the fourth slider controls that.
I currently have a guitar-type volume pedal on the Right Output on the way over to the PA, so I can still control overall volume of the non-bass tones/sounds that way.
Or should I be using Part 2 for the bass, and Part 1 for the main instrument? Logically that would make sense, but then the sliders are backwards.
And again, a User Performance would save all that, and saving it as a Favorite would let it be immediately recalled.
In the worst case, if I need to change something that I can't figure out how to do otherwise, I could copy the Patch or Performance, make the change, and then save that as another Favorite, right next to the unmodified one, and swap back and forth.
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Does that sound reasonable, or am I missing something? Does any of this make any sense to anyone? Hopefully there is a better way, but I sure can't see how. It will work
Thanks folks, I really appreciate the great help I get on here. And I'm sure I'll be asking quite a few more questions!
I recently got a DS61 and am trying to set things up for live performances with a multi-genre 3-piece band.
I normally play bass, and will continue doing that on the bass and/or keys (panned to the Left Output, which goes to my bass amp,) in addition to adding quite a few other things for depth on some of our songs that need it.
I have some questions. OK, I have lots of questions! My brain hurts. But as far as the workflow and hierarchy for setting up Favorites for specific songs, at least, here's how I understand it as of now. Please see if this makes sense, or provide some input on what I'm missing or have wrong.
-
It looks like that if I have a Patch that will work, but I want to change some of the parameters such as ADSR stuff, octave, effects, pan, cutoff and such, I need to make those changes and put it in a User Patch. If that's all I need, I can put that in a Favorite. Or I can use it as a part of a Performance.
But normally I'll at least be using the keyboard "split" (generic version, lower case) with the bass on the left, other tone/sound(s) on the right. In order to do that, I'll need to make a Performance, which will be saved in a User Performance. I may be using the Split function some, perhaps a Super Layer or Dual, but mostly just stacking instruments up in a Performance in none of those modes. (Another question on that later. *)
So I set all that up and then I can save it as a User Performance, and then as a Favorite. Correct so far?
My old Casio also had a Mixer function, where once you got everything set up on a low level for each split/patch/tone/sound, you could go back in and make changes to a lot of the parameters on a higher level for each Part, which would all be saved to a Register, immediately accessible. Am I missing it, or are all those things done at the Patch and Performance level? I don't see anything like that separate Mixer function, unless I'm being really daft.
In fact, just what all does a Favorite save? Just that particular Patch or Performance, or are there other parameters I'm not aware of? The manuals are, uh, sparse at best with that big picture kind of info. I did look. A lot!
-
* Back to the mode question for multiple instruments; Split doesn't appear to allow adding a layer, and neither Dual or Super Layers allow a split. The appear to be mutually exclusive. So I imagine that the best way for me to set things up is: to not use any of those functions, but set the bass (panned mostly left) up on Part 1 (with volume control on the third slider,) and set the Range (lower, upper) for say the first two octaves on the left only. Then add instruments (panned somewhat to the right) that I don't need to change volume on (particularly pads) on Parts 3-16, with 3 as the "main" instrument on the rest of the Range (upper three octaves.) For Part 2, I'll put the instrument that I want to bring in as a layer, so that the fourth slider controls that.
I currently have a guitar-type volume pedal on the Right Output on the way over to the PA, so I can still control overall volume of the non-bass tones/sounds that way.
Or should I be using Part 2 for the bass, and Part 1 for the main instrument? Logically that would make sense, but then the sliders are backwards.
And again, a User Performance would save all that, and saving it as a Favorite would let it be immediately recalled.
In the worst case, if I need to change something that I can't figure out how to do otherwise, I could copy the Patch or Performance, make the change, and then save that as another Favorite, right next to the unmodified one, and swap back and forth.
-
Does that sound reasonable, or am I missing something? Does any of this make any sense to anyone? Hopefully there is a better way, but I sure can't see how. It will work
Thanks folks, I really appreciate the great help I get on here. And I'm sure I'll be asking quite a few more questions!