Expression pedal for pitch bending

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Can I make an expression pedal do the same thing as the pitch wheel? I'm playing guitar and keys and have to bend the tone up an octave while still playing the guitar part. Holding the hold pedal down with one foot and would like to use my other foot to bend up. I've looked and looked and haven't been able to get it. This is on my DS61. Thanks! Lee.
 
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There are pedals that bend notes if that's what you mean. I can't recall which, but I have zoom gfx and digitech rp pedals, and I'm pretty sure one of them does it.
 

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Can I make an expression pedal do the same thing as the pitch wheel? I'm playing guitar and keys and have to bend the tone up an octave while still playing the guitar part. Holding the hold pedal down with one foot and would like to use my other foot to bend up. I've looked and looked and haven't been able to get it. This is on my DS61. Thanks! Lee.
Sorry, I don't think so, here's what I know.

What the Hold and Control pedals do is listed on Page 33 of the Parameter Guide, in the System Settings section. These are global system settings. You change them and they are saved in that status until you change them to something else. So if you would select something, it always does that. Like I keep my Control pedal set to Volume control. I can't use it for anything else.

The Hold pedal only does a Hold. Nothing else.

The Control pedal can be set to ONLY ONE THING at a time for the unit, since it's a System Setting. Looking at the list, I don't see pitch bend as an option. It possibly could be done with the PORTAMENTO function? You could try it. Here's the list:

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For each patch there is a way to either let the Hold or Control pedals work or not work. So I can change one volume for say a piano patch, but leave my bass guitar patch unaffected by it. If you want to know about that, please let me know.
 
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In MIDI PB is not a control parameter, but a even in itself (224) - so will not appear on the CC list. I am in the midst of trying to understand RPN and NRPN in MIDI as I have to program a UC33 control surface - I am not sure whether it can ne done that way. Another option is an external pedal like a Digitech RP that has pitch bend on the audio - and thence you do not need to do it via MIDI. Looking at RPN it seems PB range can be set - but I am not sure if PB is in the RPN codes as I am unfamiliar with their use- the DS would also have to be responsive and any pedal able to send the codes.

 

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In MIDI PB is not a control parameter, but a even in itself (224) - so will not appear on the CC list. I am in the midst of trying to understand RPN and NRPN in MIDI as I have to program a UC33 control surface - I am not sure whether it can ne done that way. Another option is an external pedal like a Digitech RP that has pitch bend on the audio - and thence you do not need to do it via MIDI. Looking at RPN it seems PB range can be set - but I am not sure if PB is in the RPN codes as I am unfamiliar with their use- the DS would also have to be responsive and any pedal able to send the codes.

I thought that the question was whether you could pitch bend with an expression pedal via the Hold or Control ports on the unit. It won't, but yes, an external pedal would work on the output. As for using a MIDI method to do something like that, it is beyond my knowledge.
 
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As said above, PitchBend is not a regular MIDI CC. They created a separate CC command to get a more continuous frequency change by sending 14-bit data instead of 7. You need MIDI electronics on the pedal to do this. In addition, you would need the pedal to be spring loaded to return to the centre position. The Pedal/Midi Electronics would connect to the MIDI network to send the required pitch bend command strings similar to how some pedal boards work. One company makes such a pedal though (lil' expensive) - beat bars MIDI Expression EX3 . I do not think its spring loaded so I am not sure how you easily get to zero pitch bend. They also have a cheaper Expression pedal to MIDI Pedal.
NB: No I am not affiliated with them. They just came up in the same search I used ti get onto thi ssite.
 
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As said above, PitchBend is not a regular MIDI CC. They created a separate CC command to get a more continuous frequency change by sending 14-bit data instead of 7. You need MIDI electronics on the pedal to do this. In addition, you would need the pedal to be spring loaded to return to the centre position. The Pedal/Midi Electronics would connect to the MIDI network to send the required pitch bend command strings similar to how some pedal boards work. One company makes such a pedal though (lil' expensive) - beat bars MIDI Expression EX3 . I do not think its spring loaded so I am not sure how you easily get to zero pitch bend. They also have a cheaper Expression pedal to MIDI Pedal.
NB: No I am not affiliated with them. They just came up in the same search I used ti get onto thi ssite.

another method (more versatile than a midi-expression pedal):
"Midi pedal converter" to convert an (any) analog pedal to Midi.
Example: "DoreMidi pedal converter MPC-10" (quite inexpensive, 50-60 usd/euros).
2 analog ins for 2 pedals (e.g. hold+expression, or 2 expression - there's also MPC-20 with 4 inputs)
Can send pitch bend (afair it can simultaneously send up to 4 signals - CCs, pitch-bends, PCs,notes - per pedal)
Bending in just one direction (as the thread owner requested) does not require 'spring adjusted centre position' but just a conventional expression or swell pedal (e.g. cheap M-Audio)
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Another 'all in one' solution (a de facto standard in guitar world but suprisingly ignored in keyboard world) is Behringer FCB 1010 midi pedal board: 2 expression pedals, 10 foot switches.
 
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Wow I have the DoreMIDI USB Host Box but never looked at Pedal Converters. Thanks!!! The FCB1010 has great functionality - only MIDI DIN ports though, but that is not a show stopper.
 
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Wow I have the DoreMIDI USB Host Box but never looked at Pedal Converters. Thanks!!! The FCB1010 has great functionality - only MIDI DIN ports though, but that is not a show stopper.
just seen on aliexpress that they offer a voucher for Europe, DoreMidi Pedal converter goes down to 35 euros (equiv. to USD or 60 AUD) + a brand new firmware that adds pedal curves and 'offset' and other stuff.
once again we have to give kudos to the Chinese: the 'western' equivalent from Midi-Solutions not only is 4 x the price, can convert only 1 pedal (instead of 2), but still uses its 1990th style 'editor' and confusing programming (for no-technicians) - no progress for 15 (??) years (yeah, it can do SysEx - but without checksum useless for Roland keys)
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a propos FCB: mea culpa: it's a near to a can do it all - but only near : it cannot send pitch. Maybe Roland FC 300 can.
 

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