Fantom 08 Doesnt Seem to Receive or Respond to Program Changes in Midi

[Scradley1960]

I’m trying to send Program Changes from an iPad to Roland Fantom 08 and there doesn’t seem to be any response from the keyboard. I am using the same hardware as with my previous keyboard which worked fine in this regards (iPad --> Camera adapter --> USB cable into the “computer” port of the keyboard).
The settings on the Keyboard’s midi section seem to be set right (Receive PC is on, for example).

I tried setting the “Scene Control Channel” to Midi Ch 1 and the factory setting of 16 and neither seems to do anything.
Any help is appreciated.

 

[SirPlayALot]

My settings:
Device ID 17
Scene Control Channel 15
USB-MIDI Thru OFF
Remote Keyboard Switch ON
All TRANSMIT and RECEIVE options ON

 

[Scradley1960]

Thanks. I tried those, getting the same thing. I’m starting to doubt my hardware. ON another note, do you know where I can find the info for how to translate a Scene on the FA08 to the midi info (msb/lsb)?

 

[SirPlayALot]

Thanks. I tried those, getting the same thing. I’m starting to doubt my hardware. ON another note, do you know where I can find the info for how to translate a Scene on the FA08 to the midi info (msb/lsb)?

I made a third page (this is getting out of hand) with all the LSB, MSB, Bankselect and Program Change data for the 512 different scenes in the Fantom 06/07/08. Hope that helps.

• 6250 tones (presets and expansions) https://www.netweters.nl/roland/fantom-0-series.php
• 512 scenes: https://www.netweters.nl/roland/scenes.php
• 2688 user tones and drums: https://www.netweters.nl/roland/usertones.php

All databases are searchable, sortable, downloadable (CSV, XLS or ODS).

 

[Scradley1960]

That is beyond amazing!!!!
Thanks a million!

 

[DMG24]

I am trying to send program changes from Ableton to a Fantom 6. however, there is only "Bank" "Sub" and "Pgm".

 

[SeaGtGruff]

If I remember correctly, Ableton's "Bank" is the Bank Select MSB and "Sub" is the Bank Select LSB, except you need to add 1 to the MSB and LSB values. For instance, an MSB of 0 would be entered into Ableton as Bank 1, and an LSB of 0 would be entered as Sub 1.

"Pgm" is the Program Change value, which must likewise have 1 added to it, although this really depends on the keyboard since some manufacturers add 1 to the "true" value when printing out their voice lists. That is to say, (for example) the "true" MIDI data value for the Acoustic Grand Piano voice is 0, but this is often listed as 1 in printed voice lists.

Looking at the Fantom Sound List, I can tell that MSB and LSB will need to be increased by 1 when entered into Ableton, whereas PC is already increased by 1 and should entered as listed. For example, Scene A071 ("80s Synth Pop") is listed as MSB 85, LSB 0, PC 71, so I believe you would enter that into Ableton as Bank 86, Sub 1, Pgm 71.

 

[SGLYNN55]

My settings:
Device ID 17
Scene Control Channel 15
USB-MIDI Thru OFF
Remote Keyboard Switch ON
All TRANSMIT and RECEIVE options ON

Mine works. I use Device #16, Control Code 85, then 0-3 for band and scene number (less 1). So for example 16 85 3 49 will bring up scene #48 in Bank D.

 

[Scradley1960]

Thanks! Can i ask what the physical setup is you have? ie are you using USB or midi native? Which jack are you plugged into and are you using an ipad/tablet or another keyboard?

 

[SGLYNN55]

I use forScore on iPad plugged into the USB B plug on Fantom. See photo below. When a chart comes up on ipad the program change is sent to Fantom and the scene changes. Note number starts with zero not one. So band D is 3. Scene 16 is brought up using number 15.

 

[Scradley1960]

Awesome. I'm also using forscore so thanks a million. I will try again!!!

 

[SGLYNN55]

It's a powerful capability. Whatever music chart you're looking invokes the predefined scene with all the patches for that song.

 

[Scradley1960]

Still not working. I have my ipad USB C connected to the "Computer" input on the back of the Fantom 08 (USB Type B). I'm trying to get the keys to switch to C034 so I'm sending whats in the pic below.
Channel 16 which is what I have the keys set to under the System>>Midi settings
85 for Scene bank select
2 for the C Bank
33 for patch 34

The weird thing is that I did get this working once, but I had to put a hardware midi converter between the USB of the iPad and the 5-pin midi IN of the keys. It only worked for me a few times.

I've tried several cables etc. Starting to wonder if it's a hardware issue with the iPad or keys, both of which are about 1 year old...

 

[SGLYNN55]

Yea you've got the numbers right. The message is sent when the page comes up so swiping it left or right should send message. There is a midi setting in forScore that should have three checks on Send, Receive, and Synth. And Fantom has a midi receive setting I think is set to general. Finally sometimes plugging and unplugging resets it. But I'm using it on a couple keyboards for live gigs and it works reliably.

 

[Scradley1960]

Thanks a million for your reply!!!!