Good keyboard for around 300$

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  1. KidFromBastion

    KidFromBastion

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    Hello everyone!

    I'm looking for some keyboard to replace my Casio CTK2400. Price range is up to 300$, either new or used. I dont have any preferred brand, just tell me what would You suggest :)
    Midi connection would be a huge advantage. Also, it would be good if this model was available in Europe, since I cant really order anything from USA, shipping costs and fees would be too big.
     
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    happyrat1 Destroyer of Eardrums!!!

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    Take a look on Ebay or Craigslist for local listings of used gear.

    If you can find an old Korg TR61 that would probably be doable with your budget.

    Otherwise I'd recommend sticking with Casio if you're buying new. WK-6600 or WK-7600 would be in your price range.

    Gary ;)
     
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    SeaGtGruff I meant to play that note! Moderator

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    From Yamaha, I'd recommend the PSR-E453, or maybe the PSR-E353 if you don't need a pitch wheel and voice-editing capabilities, but definitely not the PSR-E253.

    Or, if you'd prefer a wider keyboard, the DGX-230/YPG-235 (they're the same thing, just with two different names) costs about the same as the PSR-E453, although the PSR-E453 has more features.
     
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    KidFromBastion

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    So You say that differences between 353 and 453 are not that big?
    Both are available in the store I work in, and price difference between them is like 130$.
    353 costs 230$, I can try to discuss even lower price with my coworker :)
     
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  5. KidFromBastion

    happyrat1 Destroyer of Eardrums!!!

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    The TR61 sold for about $900 10 years ago. I owned a TR76. It's a professional machine.

    A step above the prosumer Casios and Yamahas that sell new in your price range.

    There's literally no comparison of how much better the Triton voices sound compared to those consumer units.





    No speakers built in though. Budget an extra $100 for the amp.

    If you can't find a TR61 in your price range look around for a Korg X50. Same sound engine in a cheaper, newer package.

    Gary ;)
     
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  6. KidFromBastion

    SeaGtGruff I meant to play that note! Moderator

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    The PSR-E453 is definitely nicer than the PSR-E353. They're very similar in some respects, but different in others. If you can afford it, the PSR-E453 would be a better keyboard to buy than the PSR-E353.
     
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    SeaGtGruff I meant to play that note! Moderator

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    Gary, I might need to check out the TR61 for myself, if I can find one nearby-ish on Craigslist.
     
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    happyrat1 Destroyer of Eardrums!!!

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    My TR76 also had AFTERTOUCH!!!!!

    Not sure if the 61 version has it as well though.

    It's a fantastic little keyboard :)

    Gary ;)
     
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  9. KidFromBastion

    SeaGtGruff I meant to play that note! Moderator

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    Okay, I put together a "by the numbers" comparison of the PSR-E353 and PSR-E453 from the information in their manuals, in case you're thinking of getting one of them. (Please forgive the periods; they're to make sure things line up nicely.) I didn't include things that are the same, such as the number of keys, reverb types, or chorus types.

    ................... | PSR-E353 . | PSR-E453
    Amplifiers ........ | 2.5 W .... | 6 W
    Polyphony (Max.) .. | 32 notes . | 48 notes
    Panel Voices ...... | 196 ...... | 237
    Drum/SFX Kits ..... | 18 ....... | 24
    Arpeggio Voices ... | 20 ....... | 40
    XGlite Voices ..... | 339 ...... | 457
    Ultra-Wide Stereo . | 3 types .. | No (?)
    Panel Sustain ..... | Yes ...... | No
    Preset Styles ..... | 158 ...... | 220
    External Styles ... | 1 ........ | 10
    Preset Patterns ... | No ....... | 25
    Pattern Sections .. | N/A ...... | 5
    Number of Songs ... | 5 ........ | 10
    Number of Tracks .. | 2 ........ | 6 (5 + A)
    Data Capacity ..... | 10,000 ... | 19,000 (Approx. notes)
    Registration ...... | 9 ........ | 32 (4 x 8)
    Music Database .... | 100 ...... | 378
    Attack/Release .... | No ....... | Yes (Main and Dual Voices)
    Cutoff/Resonance .. | No ....... | Yes (Main and Dual Voices)

    Pitch Bend Wheel .. | No ....... | Yes (+/- 1 to +/- 12 semitones)
    Assignable Knobs .. | No ....... | 2
    DSP Effects ....... | No ....... | 10 types
    Scales ............ | No (ET) .. | 5 types (plus custom)
    USB Audio I/O ..... | No ....... | Yes


    Following are some comments about the preceding information.

    Maximum polyphony can be important if you're playing with an auto accompaniment (style) or using a sequencer or MIDI file to play the keyboard, as well as if you're playing with sustained notes. However, the actual polyphony may be less than the maximum depending on the voices selected and whether the Dual option is being used to layer voices together, because some voices use only 1 element and others use 2 elements per note. An element is like a synthesizer's oscillator; it's a tone generator that plays a sound sample for a single note. Thus, the PSR-E353 can play 32 elements at once, which could work out to 32 notes, or 16 notes, or 10 notes, or 8 notes, depending on whether the Main Voice you've selected uses 1 or 2 elements per note, and whether or not the Dual Voice is on and whether it uses 1 or 2 elements per note. In contrast, the PSR-E453 can play 48 elements at once, which could work out to 48 notes, or 24 notes, or 16 notes, or 12 notes. Sustained notes and the auto accompaniment will also use up some of the 32 or 48 elements.

    Speaking of sustain, the PSR-E453 doesn't have a "panel sustain" function like the PSR-E353 does, but you can still sustain notes with an attached foot switch or foot pedal, or you can sustain a voice's notes without a pedal by increasing the voice's release time setting.

    The stated number of preset voices can be a little bit misleading, because some of them are "Dual voices" that combine two of the other preset voices together, but the PSR-E453 still has a greater number of unique panel voices and XGlite voices than the PSR-E353 does.

    Likewise, the number of Arpeggio voices (and Harmony voices, which aren't listed above) aren't important, since the Arpeggio or Harmony option can be used with any voice, and both models have the same number of Harmony and Arpeggio types.

    If you like to play with an auto accompaniment (style), the number of preset styles included with the keyboard can be important, as well as the number of external styles you can load (or "register") at the same time.

    It's better (i.e., more flexible) to record songs using a DAW, but if you want to use the built-in song sequencer to record then the PSR-E453 lets you record twice as many songs at once and more tracks per song.

    The Music Database can be useful for automatically setting up the keyboard for a particular song, because when you choose an entry from the Music Database it selects a specific style number, style variation (Main A or Main B), tempo, Main Voice number and settings, Dual Voice number and settings, and other parameters (Reverb Type, Chorus Type, Harmony Type, etc.).

    The Registration memories are also useful for saving and recalling your own setups. The PSR-E453 has 4 buttons for instantly recalling 4 different registrations, and you can select between 8 banks of registrations, giving you 32 registrations in all. The PSR-E353 has 9 registrations in all, and to recall a registration you must press 2 buttons, so it's a little more cumbersome to recall different registrations during a performance.

    The PSR-E453 has functions that let you modify the attack/release times and cutoff/resonance settings of the Main and Dual Voices, making it possible to dramatically alter the built-in voices and create "new" voices from them, which can then be saved to the registrations for later recall. You can also make changes to those parameters while performing by using the 2 Live Control knobs. The PSR-E353 doesn't have those features-- although it responds to MIDI messages for changing the attack/release and cutoff/resonance, so you can still modify the voices but only by using an app on an attached computer or iPad/iPhone, or via a MIDI file.

    Likewise, the PSR-E453 has a pitch bend wheel, whereas the PSR-E353 doesn't-- although it responds to MIDI pitch bend messages.

    The PSR-E453 also has DSP effects, which are new to the PSR-E4xx line. The PSR-E353 doesn't.

    The PSR-E453 lets you choose between 5 different predefined scale tunings, or you can create your own custom scale tuning. The PSR-E353 doesn't have those functions-- although it responds to MIDI tuning messages.

    And finally, the PSR-E453 has USB audio input/output, which is new to the PSR-E4xx line. The PSR-E353 doesn't.
     
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  10. KidFromBastion

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    I recently sold both a Korg x50 and a Yamaha MX61 for ~$300 on Ebay and Craigslist. Also saw a Korg PS-60 for that price. All of these would be a step up from your Casio.

    Look for something manufactured ~10 ago. They have all the features a seasoned performing or composing musician would need, at your price level.
    Using Wikipedia and mfg websites, I compiled this list of major manufacturers keyboards released in the past decade. Hope it helps:
    Model - Make - Year
    korg minilogue 2016
    Yamaha mx 61 v2 2016
    nord Stage 2 EX 2015
    roland Juno DS 2015
    korg microstation 2014
    korg RK-100s 2014
    nord Lead A1 2014
    roland FA-06 2014
    roland FA-08 2014
    korg king korg 2013
    korg kross 2013
    korg PA900 2013
    Kurzweil artis 2013
    nord Lead 4 2013
    roland v-combo vr-09 2013
    Seq. Cir. Prophet 12 2013
    Yamaha moxf6 2013
    korg krome 61 2012
    korg krome 73 2012
    korg krome 88 2012
    korg kronos-x 2012
    korg microkorg xl plus 2012
    korg PA600 2012
    novation minimova 2012
    roland jupiter 50 2012
    roland jupiter 80 2012
    Yamaha mx 49 2012
    Yamaha mx 61 2012
    arturia origin 2011
    korg Kronos 2011
    Korg PA3x 2011
    nord Stage 2 2011
    nord stage 2 76 2011
    nord Stage 2 HA88 2011
    roland SH-01 GAIA 2011
    Yamaha mox6 2011
    yamaha mox8 2011
    Korg PS-60 2010
    Kurzweil PC3LE6 2010
    Kurzweil PC3LE7 2010
    Novation Ultranova 2010
    Roland AX-09 Lucina (black) 2010
    Roland Juno Gi 2010
    roland v-combo vr-700 2010
    Yamaha motif xf 6 2010
    yamaha motif xf 7 2010
    Access Virus T12 kbd 2009
    Akai/Alesis Miniyak 2009
    korg sv-1 stage 2009
    Roland AX-Synth (black) 2009
    Roland Juno Di 2009
    Seq. Cir. mopho 2009
    Waldorf blofeld 2009
    yamaha S70XS 2009
    yamaha S90XS 2009
    korg m50 2008
    korg microkorg xl 2008
    Kurzweil PC3 2008
    Kurzweil PC361 2008
    Kurzweil PC3x 2008
    nord Stage EX 2008
    nord wave 2008
    roland Fantom G 7 2008
    Roland Juno Stage 2008
    Yamaha motif xs series 2008
    korg m3 2007
    korg m3 2007
    Korg PA2XPRO 2007
    korg R3 2007
    Roland AX-7 2007
    roland v-synth GT 2007
    Seq. Cir. Prophet 08 2007
    Yamaha mm6/mm8 series 2007
    yamaha PSR-E series 2007
    korg radias 2006
    roland juno G 2006
    Roland Juno G8 2006
    roland SH-201 2006
     
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  11. KidFromBastion

    SeaGtGruff I meant to play that note! Moderator

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    Wow, that's quite a list! :)
     
    SeaGtGruff, Oct 3, 2016
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